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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

 

 
 

 



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Yes.....  



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Yes.....  

So what is your take on it ?



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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

God doesn't destroy, the devil does.

Rather God allowed rebellion to happen as punishment.

The devil brought his punishment on to himself.

God brings life, and the devil destroys and brings death.

(John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.)

For example, say your parents tell you not to drop out of high school, but you do anyways.

The punishment is living in poverty, but you brought poverty to yourself by rebelling against authority.

In reality the authority in your life is bringing you life, not death.



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Yes.....  

So what is your take on it ?

 

 

 

  Using what little I know about the daily activities of that realm, and how it seems Jesus is stressing that we love them, kind of leads me to think that this is all playing out to teach all of creation what happens when someone like Lucifer is in charge.....    if God just squished him like a bug when he went bad, the rest of creation might think the Godhead was just a tyrant.     At least this way all of everything can look at planet earth and know that under Lucifer the entire of everything would be corrupt.

 

I don't know that we truly understand what goes on in Gods realm to really wager a guess.'

there are way more questions than answers.    What are the stones of fire on Gods Holy Mountain that Lucifer walked through.....     who are the 24 elders.....    what do the angels do all day long before we came along.....    what was here before God said let their be light......   exactly when did Lucifer go bad....    and what exactly did he do.....    why would a third of the angels follow him....      can God really just wipe him out....  

 

Since Paul told us that we would judge the angels, is all this just so the majority of those who followed Satan might have some chance from us or are they already condemned and we are to do the condemning......      

 

Just so many things that I don't even have a clue about and it seems that the more I study and the little more I learn  identifies and enlightens me about what I really don't know at all.    

 

If we are going to be like Jesus when we are resurected and as I understand it a little higher than the angels, maybe the whole thing was just a proving ground study for mankind to become what we are supposed to be in the end.

 

There are many possibilities, but I would say that we know so little that it would be more of mental play to ponder the question of why all this than a serious research project.

 

 

But I would say this......    I may be the only one in the world who is really enjoying it,  but this old dude is having a ball watching it all come to pass.    It would be kind of like surfing those 50 foot waves in Hawaii this week.....    we're kind of adrift in this big world around us and we are really so small we really don't matter.......   so you can be afraid panic and drown, because there is nothing we can do about the waves.........   or you can crawl up on a board and ride the waves.......    and if you keep your balance, it's quite a ride.    So till we find out what's really going on, hang on to the Holy Spirit, for He is our surf board, and enjoy the ride.........     and God will tell us all about it when we get to shore.



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Yes.....  

So what is your take on it ?

 

 

 

  Using what little I know about the daily activities of that realm, and how it seems Jesus is stressing that we love them, kind of leads me to think that this is all playing out to teach all of creation what happens when someone like Lucifer is in charge.....    if God just squished him like a bug when he went bad, the rest of creation might think the Godhead was just a tyrant.     At least this way all of everything can look at planet earth and know that under Lucifer the entire of everything would be corrupt.

 

I don't know that we truly understand what goes on in Gods realm to really wager a guess.'

there are way more questions than answers.    What are the stones of fire on Gods Holy Mountain that Lucifer walked through.....     who are the 24 elders.....    what do the angels do all day long before we came along.....    what was here before God said let their be light......   exactly when did Lucifer go bad....    and what exactly did he do.....    why would a third of the angels follow him....      can God really just wipe him out....  

 

Since Paul told us that we would judge the angels, is all this just so the majority of those who followed Satan might have some chance from us or are they already condemned and we are to do the condemning......      

 

Just so many things that I don't even have a clue about and it seems that the more I study and the little more I learn  identifies and enlightens me about what I really don't know at all.    

 

If we are going to be like Jesus when we are resurected and as I understand it a little higher than the angels, maybe the whole thing was just a proving ground study for mankind to become what we are supposed to be in the end.

 

There are many possibilities, but I would say that we know so little that it would be more of mental play to ponder the question of why all this than a serious research project.

 

 

But I would say this......    I may be the only one in the world who is really enjoying it,  but this old dude is having a ball watching it all come to pass.    It would be kind of like surfing those 50 foot waves in Hawaii this week.....    we're kind of adrift in this big world around us and we are really so small we really don't matter.......   so you can be afraid panic and drown, because there is nothing we can do about the waves.........   or you can crawl up on a board and ride the waves.......    and if you keep your balance, it's quite a ride.    So till we find out what's really going on, hang on to the Holy Spirit, for He is our surf board, and enjoy the ride.........     and God will tell us all about it when we get to shore.

 

 

Yes, I agree with you.

God believes in free will and I guess that by rebelling against God, Lucifer was throwing down the gauntlet. It's like somebody challenging you to a game, so you accept and you play the game.

Satan wants people to worship him. Rather than destroy Satan there and then, God knows that his power and wisdom will prevail if he lets Satan test us. God is not an insufferable dictator. He's a father and like all good fathers he wants us to learn from our own mistakes.

He also wants to know if we want to be his children too.



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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

God doesn't destroy, the devil does.

Rather God allowed rebellion to happen as punishment.

The devil brought his punishment on to himself.

God brings life, and the devil destroys and brings death.

(John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.)

For example, say your parents tell you not to drop out of high school, but you do anyways.

The punishment is living in poverty, but you brought poverty to yourself by rebelling against authority.

In reality the authority in your life is bringing you life, not death.

 

Deuteronomy 32:39

King James Version (KJV)

39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

 

The devil destroys that which is good that is what Jesus meant 

 

 



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Yes.....  

So what is your take on it ?

 

 

 

  Using what little I know about the daily activities of that realm, and how it seems Jesus is stressing that we love them, kind of leads me to think that this is all playing out to teach all of creation what happens when someone like Lucifer is in charge.....    if God just squished him like a bug when he went bad, the rest of creation might think the Godhead was just a tyrant.     At least this way all of everything can look at planet earth and know that under Lucifer the entire of everything would be corrupt.

 

I don't know that we truly understand what goes on in Gods realm to really wager a guess.'

there are way more questions than answers.    What are the stones of fire on Gods Holy Mountain that Lucifer walked through.....     who are the 24 elders.....    what do the angels do all day long before we came along.....    what was here before God said let their be light......   exactly when did Lucifer go bad....    and what exactly did he do.....    why would a third of the angels follow him....      can God really just wipe him out....  

 

Since Paul told us that we would judge the angels, is all this just so the majority of those who followed Satan might have some chance from us or are they already condemned and we are to do the condemning......      

 

Just so many things that I don't even have a clue about and it seems that the more I study and the little more I learn  identifies and enlightens me about what I really don't know at all.    

 

If we are going to be like Jesus when we are resurected and as I understand it a little higher than the angels, maybe the whole thing was just a proving ground study for mankind to become what we are supposed to be in the end.

 

There are many possibilities, but I would say that we know so little that it would be more of mental play to ponder the question of why all this than a serious research project.

 

 

But I would say this......    I may be the only one in the world who is really enjoying it,  but this old dude is having a ball watching it all come to pass.    It would be kind of like surfing those 50 foot waves in Hawaii this week.....    we're kind of adrift in this big world around us and we are really so small we really don't matter.......   so you can be afraid panic and drown, because there is nothing we can do about the waves.........   or you can crawl up on a board and ride the waves.......    and if you keep your balance, it's quite a ride.    So till we find out what's really going on, hang on to the Holy Spirit, for He is our surf board, and enjoy the ride.........     and God will tell us all about it when we get to shore.

 

 

Yes, I agree with you.

God believes in free will and I guess that by rebelling against God, Lucifer was throwing down the gauntlet. It's like somebody challenging you to a game, so you accept and you play the game.

Satan wants people to worship him. Rather than destroy Satan there and then, God knows that his power and wisdom will prevail if he lets Satan test us. God is not an insufferable dictator. He's a father and like all good fathers he wants us to learn from our own mistakes.

He also wants to know if we want to be his children too.

 

While Satan does seek adoration, he actually teaches to worship self as much as to adore him.  He wanted to be like God, and he wants us to also.



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Blessings other one...

      That was truly beautiful ,From the crawling up on the board.......

 

or you can crawl up on a board and ride the waves.......    and if you keep your balance, it's quite a ride.    So till we find out what's really going on, hang on to the Holy Spirit, for He is our surf board, and enjoy the ride.........     and God will tell us all about it when we get to shore.

                                                                                                                             in part......written by other one

I love it & you hardly ever see me post a quote because I think its ridiculous waiting all that space......

Anyway,,,,,,Blessings to you Izzel....I was carried away with the waves for a moment-LOL but in response to your OP.....yes,sure I have.....God destroyed nation after nation that worship other gods & false idols so they would not defile his people & yet from the getgo He spared lucifer...........but then I thought,well,,,I never heard of angels getting killed so perhaps he created them to remain eternal & thats why the lake of fire & eternal torment?HE does say that hell was not intended for man?One of my favorite things to do is "Would ifs".......but we could sit here all day & speculate & like other one says,,,,,,,we usually end up with more questions & the realization of how little we truly know

      I  think that God wanted man to truly love Him and even gave us free will to decide as we may and by allowing satan into the picture......that love could be tried.........but again,speculation       Well,my answer is yes & I can't wait to be astonished when I" no longer see dimly"........it's been fun.....thanks,cool thread

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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

God doesn't destroy, the devil does.

Rather God allowed rebellion to happen as punishment.

The devil brought his punishment on to himself.

God brings life, and the devil destroys and brings death.

(John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.)

For example, say your parents tell you not to drop out of high school, but you do anyways.

The punishment is living in poverty, but you brought poverty to yourself by rebelling against authority.

In reality the authority in your life is bringing you life, not death.

 

Deuteronomy 32:39

King James Version (KJV)

39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

 

The devil destroys that which is good that is what Jesus meant 

 

Correct. When God takes things away from you, he is convicting you for your own good, thus the book of Job.



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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

 

 
 

 

No, the devil will be 'destroyed' when the time is right - until then he merely serves God purposes! 



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I think we have all asked ourselves that question.  All I can do is tell you what I believe the reason is.  I believe it is so God can allow good and evil to play out in front of his creation, so we will all see that God's ways are superior to Satan's ways.  In other words, righteousness is better than unrighteousness.  I don't know about anyone else, but I am convinced.  God's ways are best!



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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

 

 
 

 

No, the devil will be 'destroyed' when the time is right - until then he merely serves God purposes! 

 

Are you saying the devil will cease to exist in the future ?



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The devil was defeated on the cross, and will cease to exist some day. We are given a choice to serve and love God. To listen to Gods truth, or to serve and love the god of this world. To listen to the father of lies. It's the same choice Adam and Eve had. Some day the lion will lay down with the lamb.

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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him?

I don't think evil can be destroyed as it is immortal as God is, although I'm sure it was placed on Earth for a good reason, a reason so out of Reach of the comprehension of the human mind that we cannot understand.

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:hmmm: Have you ever wondered  Why God didn't destroy the devil in the first place when He sinned against Him? 

 

 

 
 

 

I have.

 

The Devil and fallen angels are, well fallen.

 

But so are we.

 

So why didn't he destroy us?  Yes there is universal death and there was the flood....but I mean utterly.

 

Are they more powerful in their seductions?  I do not believe it.  I do not believe every temptation has a demon behind it.  I will not blame all of my sins on supernatural powers; I own them.....I did them.  I have no excuses.

 

The question for me is, if the demons are unforgivable, why?  Why is grace and opportunities to repent extended to us  but not to the demons?  Is there something in their ontological makeup that makes "repentance" an impossible act?  Almost a contradiction in terms?

 

Note, I am not here proposing we pray for demons or entertain the idea of their redemption.  This is purely a theoretical question.  I like to speculate.  I know others do not, but what are forums for....?

 

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The devil was defeated on the cross, and will cease to exist some day. We are given a choice to serve and love God. To listen to Gods truth, or to serve and love the god of this world. To listen to the father of lies. It's the same choice Adam and Eve had. Some day the lion will lay down with the lamb.

Coukd you explain the devil will cease to exist someday ? Do you mean burn to a crisp ?

 

Thanks 



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Blessings Connor,

    You are not alone in wondering why repentance is not an option for the fallen angels ,why God offers them no way to redemption & holds them in unforgiveness..........it can only be because(& the same would be for us)they have committed the unpardonable sin,they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit.We cannot forget that they have seen what we have not,God in His true Nature,,,,Father,Son & Holy Spirit ....they have stood in the very Presence of God,in His Glory and .have outright rejected Him,I can "only imagine" that this is why they cannot be "Saved"

   I do hope I gave you something to consider.....when I was a little girl I used to say"Why can I not pray for the devil,would if he is sorry?"I got answers like"He is not sorry",You can't pray for him" & "I don't know"...........that was not very satisfying to a little inquisitive girl,this question stayed in my mind a very long time but I now believe it is resolved

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Izzel, you ask,

"Why did not God destroy the devil ?"

For the following reason.

Why was the devil created ?

What follows will I trust answer the question, and at the same time praise God from whom all blessings flow.

In respect of the devil. I was once asked,

"why was he created?"

My reply was,

I will now try to answer this as follows.

Ask your self the question, "What is it that we all of us want more than anything else?"

Answer:

To be loved for ourselves, for what we are, not for any material advantage that might be gained, is it any surprise that the Lord our God also wants to be loved for Himself, for His nature, His integrity, His personality, His dedication, and so on, but most of all His Love, and not only for the, "material advantages", He provides.

That is why it is written.

Mar 12:28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving[fn4] that He had answered them well, asked Him, "Which is the first commandment of all?"
Mar 12:29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Mar 12:30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul,
with all your mind, and with all your strength.'[fn5] This is the first commandment.[fn6]
Mar 12:31 "And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'[fn7] There is no other commandment greater than these."

Our Lord Jesus is here quoting Deuteronomy Chapter 6 verses 5, and 6.

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
Deu 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Now how can we fallen creatures love Him as He wants to be loved, unless we have a demonstration, a sign, well Jesus said at verse 39 below,

Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The sign to which He referrers is of course His death by crucifixion.

When we know that our Creator God, deliberately caused Himself to be born into the human race, knowing full well in advance just what we would do to Him, and did not use one iota of His limitless power to extricate Himself from the excruciating agony of this horrible death, how can we not love Him for the person that He is.

But this sacrificial death would be meaningless, if there was no need for it, and for this reason there had to be an alternative to God, (The Devil), and we had to become sinners in order to be saved.

Perhaps this explanation will help to answer the question, "Why was the Devil created?".

The Lord bless you, and keep you safe.

Edwin.

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Blessings Connor,

    You are not alone in wondering why repentance is not an option for the fallen angels ,why God offers them no way to redemption & holds them in unforgiveness..........it can only be because(& the same would be for us)they have committed the unpardonable sin,they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit.We cannot forget that they have seen what we have not,God in His true Nature,,,,Father,Son & Holy Spirit ....they have stood in the very Presence of God,in His Glory and .have outright rejected Him,I can "only imagine" that this is why they cannot be "Saved"

   I do hope I gave you something to consider.....when I was a little girl I used to say"Why can I not pray for the devil,would if he is sorry?"I got answers like"He is not sorry",You can't pray for him" & "I don't know"...........that was not very satisfying to a little inquisitive girl,this question stayed in my mind a very long time but I now believe it is resolved

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 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels ?
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