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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

Where do you think you will be when you die?

 

Heaven or the Death Star?



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It saddens me that you would take your fate so lightly as to make a joke of it. It is not by "our standards" as you speak, but what God has called us to do. Eternity is a long, long time and I hope you will think this through and never stop asking yourself the question, "Where am I going to spend eternity?"  You might think you will just return to the dust and it is over, but energy cannot be destroyed, as I am sure you know.  We are more than mere dust and our being will go on, maybe in another form, but it will continue somewhere and in someway.

 

Jesus was the only perfect human that ever lived.  He was totally without sin, yet He willingly gave His life that you might live.  He was beaten by the Roman soldiers, spit upon, they pulled out His beard, mocked Him, laughed in His face, and placed a crown of large thorns upon His head.  

Isaiah 52 said the He was marred more than any man.  He was unrecognizable after the beatings He suffered.  His back and front were whipped so many times that His flesh hung off of Him in shreds.

 

He was humiliated.  The thorns upon His crown of shame caused blood to roll into His eyes, blurring His vision and stinging His eyes.  Yet His vision for us was not blurred.  He gave up His life that we may live.

 

They hammered large spikes through His feet and wrists and hauled Him up on the cross.  Can you imagine how painful this was?  Not every offender was nailed, this was special treatment for the Son of God, like all the other special torture He received, the beatings, the crown of thorns, the condemnation and humiliation.  Yes, special treatment for this One, because He was a special case that the rulers and religious leaders made sure would be remembered.

 

The custom for the crucified was that their legs were broken to hasten their death.  The weight upon their lungs was incredible, making every struggling breath excruciating, but if they did not suffocate quickly enough breaking their legs made it impossible for them to lift themselves up in order to take a breath.  But, when they came to Christ He was already dead fulfilling the prophecy that not a single bone would be broken.  So, to make sure He was indeed dead one soldier pierced His side with a spear that thrust up into His heart.  This caused blood to flow freely from His body.

 

It was a total blood bath!  The blood flowed down His face from the thorns pressed deeply into His head.  His wounds from the blows He took to His face bled profusely.  After His mock trial, He had been blindfolded and punched as they said, "Prophesy to us, Son of God!  Who hit You that time, Jesus?"  Mocked, beaten, humiliated all for you.  Those wounds bled as He hung on the cross and that blood mixed with the blood pouring from His other wounds.

 

His reaction to all of this was to say, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."  As He died He gave up His Spirit to God saying, "Father, unto Your hands I commit my Spirit!"  Then it suddenly grew dark and an earthquake shook them all.  The rain began to pour down, mixing with all that blood He had shed.  Yes, it was a total blood bath.  All for you and for me.

 

Some joke, right?  We witness the mocking going on still today, but you know what?  He still loves you!  He loves me!  Praise God!  And, He willingly gave up His life that you may live.

 

God allowed us to make our own decisions.  We were given free will so that you are free to joke and to decide to throw away this gift of life, or to humble yourself, admit that you are a sinner, that you have missed the mark and messed up in your life.  You can choose to repent for those mistakes and ask Jesus to come into your life, save your soul, and be the Lord of your life from this day on until the day of His coming, or you can make jokes, refusing to hear what He has done for you.

 

The choice is yours, but I pray that you will choose Jesus and choose life, amen.

 

Peace to you and may God bless you much.  Please do not take this gift of love lightly.  God loves you so much that He was willing to die for your sins that you will live through all eternity with Him.

 

Always in His care, guided by His love and His Holy Spirit,

PrairWarur

 

 

 



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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

All I can think of to say right now is.....   "I'm sorry."



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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

Thanks for sharing. But Jesus Christ is more than just a teacher found only in the Gospels. He is found throughout the entire Bible. If you do not know that Jesus, you do not know Christ at all. It is GOD's standards that you must measure up to, not ours. I cannot even measure up to my own standards, let alone GOD's. That is why we need Jesus!



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Feeling sad for you, CF. You've made your choice, and God will honor your decision.



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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

Where do you think this journey will bring you?

 

John3:16

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.:)



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Amen, Parker! and everyone else....  we'll keep praying....  that's what we do.  



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What do you believe about Jesus then?



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Feeling sad for you, CF. You've made your choice, and God will honor your decision.


So I could be one of the nicest people that you've ever met and once of the purest hearts in the world (both of which I like to think myself as), and could still go to hell because I don't prescribe to your version of God? Doesn't make much sense to me.

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Feeling sad for you, CF. You've made your choice, and God will honor your decision.


So I could be one of the nicest people that you've ever met and once of the purest hearts in the world (both of which I like to think myself as), and could still go to hell because I don't prescribe to your version of God? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

 

You have to ascribe to God's version of God, my friend.  Works won't get you to heaven.



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Praying for you...... So very sad.

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I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible.

 

Hey best, I remember you. Keep hangin' in there and keep asking questions. You'll get there buddy.  When you say found only in the Gospels, what are you referring too.

 

So I could be one of the nicest people that you've ever met and once of the purest hearts in the world (both of which I like to think myself as), and could still go to hell because I don't prescribe to your version of God? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

"Your" version of God, well let's start with (Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.) The breath that you're breathing right now, where do you believe it came from? Blessings Best, David. You're in my prayers.



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Blessings bestrfc,

      Well,I am glad to see you ....not too glad about your declaration but perhaps I am just not understanding WHERE you are coming from(& I mean that literally)......Something must have happened to change your view,best rfc I awm not trying to analyze you but you seem angry in a passive aggressive way,my I ask if someone did something to hurt you or perhaps you were never fully persuaded in the first place?

       I  think I understand WHAT you are saying,that you are a "red letter" believer but  it doesn't make sense to me because Jesus always referred to the Scriptures mostly saying," Don't you know that it is written......." He used the written Word of our Father to rebuke Satan in the garden.......

       Well,I am not going to assume that you came here for any other reason except to talk and perhaps to be encouraged.....I do not know what is in your heart,that is between you & the Lord,I can only hope that you believe He is Who He says He is and that He tookn all your sin into His very own sinless body & took your place on that cross,it is a good place to start.But to confess He is your Lord & Savior you must surrender yourself without reservations,,,,perhaps we can talk about those reservations?

        God bless you bestrfc & in Jesus Name I pray the Lord continues to draw you unto Himself........and to Him be the Glory!

                                                                                                                           With love,In Christ-Kwik



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Feeling sad for you, CF. You've made your choice, and God will honor your decision.


So I could be one of the nicest people that you've ever met and once of the purest hearts in the world (both of which I like to think myself as), and could still go to hell because I don't prescribe to your version of God? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

God's standard is about being a good and decent pure hearted person.   God's standard against which we are measured is righteousness and that only comes through Jesus.   No one goes to hell for being bad, and no one goes to heaven for being good.  

 

Righteousness is a legal standing that we receive when we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.  When we recieve Jesus, we are declared legally "right" with God.  We are placed in right standing with Him on the basis of what Jesus did on the cross.   That and that alone is the ground and basis of understanding who does or does not go to heaven.

 

The problem is that Paul taught about this in the epistle to the Romans and you have decided to ignore the epistles.  The revelation of Jesus doesn't end with the Gospels.   I have a hunch that you avoid the epistles because there is information in them that convicts you of sin and so you have decided to avoid reading them.   The Gospels are a good place to start, but even Jesus said if you are not born again, you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven.   So simply following Jesus' teachings isn't enough.

 

Jesus never said that following His teachings would get you into heaven.   People have made that assumption, but Jesus never made that claim.



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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

You said in November 2013....

 

I am happy to announce my decision to well, 'return' to the church. What I mean is that I have now fully committed my life to Christ and to my duty as a Catholic. Though my views still very will be very liberal amongst Christianity, I now for ever will be a believer. 

 

What made you change your mind so quickly?



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It is interesting no one above has asked why (at least I didn't see the question raised) you've made your decision?  

 

(oops.....apparently the posting directly above me asked that very same question........apologies, that's what I get for reading too quickly)

 

Well, I put the question forward....why?

 

In the meantime I will comment on one of your questions regarding hell--why would God send well-meaning people to hell?

 

I think this reveals a confusion about what hell is and what it is not.

 

I  begin with a distinction between two types of consequences---accidental and integral. 

 

When a child is spanked for stealing cookies from the cookie jar the child suffers an accidental consequence.  There is simply no logical connection between the cookie jar and the palm of its mother's hand.  The punishment has been artificially tacked on to the action.

 

However, when the child suffers a tummy-ache, it is suffering an integral consequence---no external force (i.e. the mother) has forced this consequence upon the child. It is the natural result of eating too many cookies before supper.  

 

When people complain of God sending well-meaningful people to hell, I think they have the first type of consequence in mind--the accidental kind.  Thus we say, it doesn't make sense.  There seems to be no logical connection between one's life and one's fate.

 

But let's see how hell might be an integral consequence.  Let us define hell not as "fire and brimstone" but as "the absence of God".  This changes things quite a bit.  The consequence of rejecting God is, well, that you have rejected God.  Just as the consequence of, say, stubbornly refusing a ride home is, well, now you've got to walk in the rain. On this view, God doesn't send people to hell; hell is where they have decided to be.  If I break up with my girlfriend, my girlfriend hasn't "sent me into singleness"; "singleness" is where I am by breaking up with my girlfriend....get the distinction?

 

Again, part of the confusion lies in the concept of heaven and hell as "places".  Now I do not deny physicality of heaven; but physicality is not its essential quality.  Union with God is its essential quality, its sine qua non (that without which it cannot be)

 

Okay, let's take a step further.

 

Union with God is the essence of heaven; infinite distance from him, the essence of hell.  But how do we achieve that union?  Do we have it now (I hope not, otherwise we are in heaven and heaven, well, often feels like hell).  The Christian answer is, we can't achieve it.  There is something about us (sin and perhaps mere finitude) that impedes that union with God.  Just as, say, alcoholism or pornography or gambling ruins what otherwise could be a very happy marriage.  This is rather despairing news....

 

.....however, union with God can be achieved for us.  How...?  

 

Well this is where things get very simple on the one hand, and very complex on the other.  The simple part is faith (simple as a concept, not as an everyday virtue).  Believing that Christ has achieved that union for you by his death and resurrection.  The complexity comes in when we think how all this works.  It seems from Paul (which I know you've rejected, but bear with me) that by believing in Christ's saving work we enter into a new mode of living.  We participate (now) spiritually in his death and resurrection; later we will participate physically.  Addicts often talk about having to "kill" the addiction or the unhealthy impulses.  That may only be a metaphor, but it is absolutely literal when talking of Sin.  Sinful man must be killed; the miracle is that Righteous man can be reborn.  I realize that all of this sounds very mystical; and I am afraid it is.  Our categories of space and time prevent us from comprehending realities that are not bound by space and time.  But that doesn't make them less true.

 

 

The question arises: Is it possible to achieve union with God apart from Christ?  The Christian answer is "no".  But not because God has arbitrarily decreed the negative.  Not only is Christ the only way to God, Christ is God, thus being in a relationship with Christ is tantamount to being in a relationship with God, which is tantamount to enjoying heaven.  The question of whether one can go to heaven without believing in Christ could just as easily be translated, "Can I have a relationship with Christ (=be in heaven) and at the same time NOT have a relationship with Christ (= be in hell)?"  It is a contradiction.  Like asking whether there is any other way of marrying a woman other than marrying a woman.  Or as Cash said it, "they want the kingdom of God but don't want God in it."  It is an impossible request; not because God refuses to grant it, but because He knows it is nonsense.

 

 

OF course if you have rejected Christianity not on theological but on historical grounds (i.e. have found no reliable evidence for the resurrection) or on philosophical grounds (do not believe in the miraculous), then you might want to post on the apologetic section.

 

hope this helped

 

clb


Edited by ConnorLiamBrown, 31 January 2014 - 02:03 PM.


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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.



You follow Christs teachings or like reading them?


What about Jesus saying He and the Father (God) are One?

What do you make of that?

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....I No longer really call my self a Christian.... but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible.... 

 

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Beloved, Sin

 

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Romans 3:10-13

 

Is The Problem

 

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

 

And Jesus Is The Only Answer

 

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:7-9

 

All Other Ways Are False

 

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:10

 

Grasshopper

 

Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. Isaiah 40:21-23

 

Love, Joe



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Hello. Many of you here may remember my thread a few months ago where I I professed myself a Christian, at least according to your standards. Since then, I have undergone a journey as onto where I No longer really call my self a Christian, but one who still follows Christ's teachings that are found only in the Gospels, excluding everything else in the Bible. Though more so, I call myself a Jedi. Yes, that religion based on the famed series a Star Wars by George Lucus. This is all.

You said in November 2013....
 

I am happy to announce my decision to well, 'return' to the church. What I mean is that I have now fully committed my life to Christ and to my duty as a Catholic. Though my views still very will be very liberal amongst Christianity, I now for ever will be a believer.

What made you change your mind so quickly?

Just really thinking about it more and delving even deeper into my beliefs and to what I actually believe.




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