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I've been in multiple debates recently about God and homosexuality, I want to get more people thinking about it and want to know about other people's thoughts.

Is the psychology of it (having the attraction towards the same sex) a sin in itself? Is just the acting upon the attraction the sin? Or is none of it a sin at all?

 

Another point, is that some non-Christians accuse Christians of not liking homosexuals and thinking of them as bad people. This really annoys me, how people can so easily generalise us. I myself do not understand or agree with homosexuality...but that doesn't mean I think homosexuals are bad people! We are ALL bad in the eyes of God.

 

What say you on these matters? =)

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Of Course Homosexuality Is a Sin, That's one of the major reasons why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed...

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Of Course Homosexuality Is a Sin, That's one of the major reasons why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed...

Excuse my ignorance, but who are Sodom and Gomorrah?

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They were Sister Cities That were Destroyed because of there Immorality, In the Old Testament of The Bible...

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They were Sister Cities That were Destroyed because of there Immorality, In the Old Testament of The Bible...

Okay I read about it, and can use this in further debates about homosexuality with non-Christians - cheers man =)

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I've been in multiple debates recently about God and homosexuality, I want to get more people thinking about it and want to know about other people's thoughts.

Is the psychology of it (having the attraction towards the same sex) a sin in itself? Is just the acting upon the attraction the sin? Or is none of it a sin at all?

 

Another point, is that some non-Christians accuse Christians of not liking homosexuals and thinking of them as bad people. This really annoys me, how people can so easily generalise us. I myself do not understand or agree with homosexuality...but that doesn't mean I think homosexuals are bad people! We are ALL bad in the eyes of God.

 

What say you on these matters? =)

Homosexuality is a spiritual stronghold.  It is a sin, to be sure, but it is a stronghold.  It is more than addiction or an attraction.  It is a spiritual problem, that essentially has a hold on someone that nothing but the power of the Holy Spirit can dissolve.

 

Too often, our opposition to homosexuality is seen as hatred of homosexuals, and nothing could be further from the truth.  They need the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  He is their only hope.  We must love them enough to tell them the truth about their sin and point them to Christ who is the only remedy for their spiritual sickness.

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Sin

 

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

 

Kills

 

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

 

Jesus

 

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26

 

Saves

 

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

 

Period

 

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

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Of Course Homosexuality Is a Sin, That's one of the major reasons why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed...

 

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Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49

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Yes,homosexuality is a sin.

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Of Course Homosexuality Is a Sin, That's one of the major reasons why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed...

Excuse my ignorance, but who are Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

Have you ever read the Bible?

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Thanks Shiloh for that insightful view, just what I was looking for =)

Bopeep I have indeed read the bible, I think it's a little unfair that you judge me on that; the bible has hundreds of events so you can't really expect me to know about them all.

I do on the other hand openly admit that I do not read the bible as much as I should, which is probably true to us all, no matter how much we read the bible.

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Homosexual acts are a sin.  The Bible says sin is the transgression of God's law.  In the OT, homosexual acts were punished by death, and the sinfulness of homosexual acts is re-affirmed in Romans chapter one of the NT.  The attraction in general may not be a sin, but acting upon that attraction is.  It is no different than a heterosexual man being attracted to a woman other than his wife.  While lust is wrong, temptation can still occur without sin taking place, but when the man acts upon that attraction and commits adultery, he is guilty in the sight of God, and adultery was a capital offense in the OT too.  So the answer to your question is, the attraction is not necessarily a sin, but acting upon it is. 

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Blessings joel

      Welcome to Worthy,I think you have been given adequate referrance to Scripture concerning the matter of homosexuality but I would like to add(contrary to what others may think).Having the attraction to someone of the same sex is not the same as being "attracted to someone of the opposite sex" and I do believe that in itself is sinful because it is "lusting " after the flesh.....Gods Word tells us that lusting after another mans wife is the sin even without acting upon thjs temptation,why-because the act is in the heart & it is a sin to commit adultery.........being attracted to the opposite sex is not necessarily "lusting"after for sexual intention but if a person is attracted to someone of the same sex then what is their intention?They are "lusting" in their heart for something that God says is an abomination in His eyes........yes,it is a sin

     As far as "not liking" homosexuals.....that is not right either,we are to love one another and hate the sin ,not the sinner.....we are not all "bad" in the eyes of God once we place our sin under the Blood of Christ.....we are reconciled back to our Father & made Worthy,spotless,sinless..........no matter what we did prior to Confessing Christ as our Lord & Savior! God bless you & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                    With love,in Christ-Kwik

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Blessings joel

      Welcome to Worthy,I think you have been given adequate referrance to Scripture concerning the matter of homosexuality but I would like to add(contrary to what others may think).Having the attraction to someone of the same sex is not the same as being "attracted to someone of the opposite sex" and I do believe that in itself is sinful because it is "lusting " after the flesh.....Gods Word tells us that lusting after another mans wife is the sin even without acting upon thjs temptation,why-because the act is in the heart & it is a sin to commit adultery.........being attracted to the opposite sex is not necessarily "lusting"after for sexual intention but if a person is attracted to someone of the same sex then what is their intention?They are "lusting" in their heart for something that God says is an abomination in His eyes........yes,it is a sin

     As far as "not liking" homosexuals.....that is not right either,we are to love one another and hate the sin ,not the sinner.....we are not all "bad" in the eyes of God once we place our sin under the Blood of Christ.....we are reconciled back to our Father & made Worthy,spotless,sinless..........no matter what we did prior to Confessing Christ as our Lord & Savior! God bless you & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                    With love,in Christ-Kwik

This is a tough question.  Is simply being attracted to someone a sin?  Lets take David.  Was he guilty of sin just because he was attracted to Bathsheba?  Obviously lust was conceived in his heart, but was the attraction itself a sin?  If a man sees a woman on the street and finds her attractive, is that a sin?  At what point does attraction become a sin?  To me, homosexual attraction is a mental disorder.  Lust as a result is sin, and acting on the lust is an abomination.  I can't really claim to understand homosexuals, as I have zero attraction to men, but I do understand temptation, and I recognize we are all weak in different areas. 

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It is not a sin to be tempted.   If a person who is a believer and has been delivered from homosexuality is walking down the street and sees a member of the same sex and feels that familar "tug" of temptation, there is no sin in that.  It is how he/she responds to it that defines when a sin has taken place.  Do they cast it down in Jesus' Name and immediately ask Jesus to remove the temptation, or do they entertain it?   If they choose to entertain it, they have crossed the line from being tempted over to choosing to sin.

 

Sin never happens on accident and it is never outside our control whether we sin or not.   We fall into temptation, but we choose whether or not we sin.

 

People who have been delivered from homosexuality need a church family to help keep them strong and support them.

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Blessings joel

      Welcome to Worthy,I think you have been given adequate referrance to Scripture concerning the matter of homosexuality but I would like to add(contrary to what others may think).Having the attraction to someone of the same sex is not the same as being "attracted to someone of the opposite sex" and I do believe that in itself is sinful because it is "lusting " after the flesh.....Gods Word tells us that lusting after another mans wife is the sin even without acting upon thjs temptation,why-because the act is in the heart & it is a sin to commit adultery.........being attracted to the opposite sex is not necessarily "lusting"after for sexual intention but if a person is attracted to someone of the same sex then what is their intention?They are "lusting" in their heart for something that God says is an abomination in His eyes........yes,it is a sin

     As far as "not liking" homosexuals.....that is not right either,we are to love one another and hate the sin ,not the sinner.....we are not all "bad" in the eyes of God once we place our sin under the Blood of Christ.....we are reconciled back to our Father & made Worthy,spotless,sinless..........no matter what we did prior to Confessing Christ as our Lord & Savior! God bless you & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                    With love,in Christ-Kwik

 

I always view that slightly differently, Kwik.

It's not a sin to be tempted but it is a sin to try and use literal non-action as a safe get-out clause. The whole point of salvation is that you want to change who you are. You want to become perfect. You are handing yourself over to Jesus and wish to be cured.

If a man decides that he won't commit adultery by having sex with another man's wife, but instead he goes home fantasises about her, carries out the act in his head and deliberately enjoys the pleasure of that fantasy to its conclusion then he is still committing adultery because he is showing an unwillingness to change his ways. He is hoping that because he doesn't physically commit the act then he is doing no wrong. It's a variation of works over faith.

 

However, to have a strong sexual urge that simply won't go away is not the same thing. It just means that you weren't praying hard enough or trying hard enough. It can happen to anybody, and to finally give in to that urge may be a sin, but is completely forgivable if one then repents.

The idea behind the 'committed adultery in his heart' clause is to show that you can't just blindly follow rules with no intention of ever changing your ways.

It's the same with homosexuality. You have to want to change. The sin is neither here nor there, as sins are forgivable and while we're on this Earth, we're all sinners.

Christians expect homosexuals to stop sinning straightway and to take a life-changing vow of celibacy immediately, without realising that things take time, even with the assistance of the Holy Spirit.

When a homosexual says to himself, "I don't want to be like this, I wish I was straight," then he has taken the first step towards salvation, but when he enjoys being homosexual, believes it is right in his own eyes, and wants others to admire him for it too, then he is walking down the path of darkness.

 

We are quick to judge homosexuals but then we try to correct ourselves by saying "I love the sinner but not the sin", but quite often that is not true. We are hypocrites because we are judging them by our own relatively comfortable standards.

 

We expect homosexuals to change straightaway, even though their condition is deeply engrained and it must be extremely difficult for them, because they are not just trying to turn away from lust, they are also fighting against their own identities, peer pressure and many other types of insecurities.

We need more patience with them than we do with most other types of sinners.

As an adulterer, all I have to fight against is lust, but a homosexual has to fight against lust and also the fact that he is attracted to the 'wrong type' of body. It's a double cross for a homosexual to bear.

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Blessings joel

      Welcome to Worthy,I think you have been given adequate referrance to Scripture concerning the matter of homosexuality but I would like to add(contrary to what others may think).Having the attraction to someone of the same sex is not the same as being "attracted to someone of the opposite sex" and I do believe that in itself is sinful because it is "lusting " after the flesh.....Gods Word tells us that lusting after another mans wife is the sin even without acting upon thjs temptation,why-because the act is in the heart & it is a sin to commit adultery.........being attracted to the opposite sex is not necessarily "lusting"after for sexual intention but if a person is attracted to someone of the same sex then what is their intention?They are "lusting" in their heart for something that God says is an abomination in His eyes........yes,it is a sin

     As far as "not liking" homosexuals.....that is not right either,we are to love one another and hate the sin ,not the sinner.....we are not all "bad" in the eyes of God once we place our sin under the Blood of Christ.....we are reconciled back to our Father & made Worthy,spotless,sinless..........no matter what we did prior to Confessing Christ as our Lord & Savior! God bless you & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                    With love,in Christ-Kwik

This is a tough question.  Is simply being attracted to someone a sin?  Lets take David.  Was he guilty of sin just because he was attracted to Bathsheba?  Obviously lust was conceived in his heart, but was the attraction itself a sin?  If a man sees a woman on the street and finds her attractive, is that a sin?  At what point does attraction become a sin?  To me, homosexual attraction is a mental disorder.  Lust as a result is sin, and acting on the lust is an abomination.  I can't really claim to understand homosexuals, as I have zero attraction to men, but I do understand temptation, and I recognize we are all weak in different areas. 

 

Did David not commit adultery in his heart? The warning being do that and you have already committed it. 

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Blessings Willow

     Funny,it seems to me that we pretty much have said the same thing only that you elaborated on the repentance and forgiveness more than I did, although I did briefly state any sin is covered by the Blood.......I tried to only address joels question....

     And the only reason I am addressing you is because I sincerely hope you are not insinuating that I am a hypocrite & trying to correct myself by saying "we hate the sin & not the sinner".....since you used my words .Of course the Lord knows my heart & I do not need your approval but I would be very surprised & disappointed if you,my brother,could not see the love of Christ in me....................Praise & Glory to God

                                                                                                              With love,in Christ-Kwik

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Blessings joel

      Welcome to Worthy,I think you have been given adequate referrance to Scripture concerning the matter of homosexuality but I would like to add(contrary to what others may think).Having the attraction to someone of the same sex is not the same as being "attracted to someone of the opposite sex" and I do believe that in itself is sinful because it is "lusting " after the flesh.....Gods Word tells us that lusting after another mans wife is the sin even without acting upon thjs temptation,why-because the act is in the heart & it is a sin to commit adultery.........being attracted to the opposite sex is not necessarily "lusting"after for sexual intention but if a person is attracted to someone of the same sex then what is their intention?They are "lusting" in their heart for something that God says is an abomination in His eyes........yes,it is a sin

     As far as "not liking" homosexuals.....that is not right either,we are to love one another and hate the sin ,not the sinner.....we are not all "bad" in the eyes of God once we place our sin under the Blood of Christ.....we are reconciled back to our Father & made Worthy,spotless,sinless..........no matter what we did prior to Confessing Christ as our Lord & Savior! God bless you & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                    With love,in Christ-Kwik

 

I half agree with you Kwik, but I believe that the natural attraction to the same sex is not the person's fault necessarily, so I don't think this is the sin. Instead, I believe that the actions of homosexuality is the sin, as this is not being willing to change and is giving in to the temptation. The acting upon it is the only part of the whole situation that IS the person's choice, not the natural and instinctive attraction.

That theory just feels like the fairest way to me, what do you think about it?

 

Also, is lusting after flesh (as you put it) really always a sin? I can understand that lusting obsessively is sinful, but having the occasional and almost uncontrollable "tug" towards someone you see shouldn't be a sin surely? Obviously with the exception of having a relationship with someone different to who you are lusting over, or lusting about someone who is already in a relationship.

But as Butero said, at what point does attraction become a sin?

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I don't see why would it be a sin, it's not a choice, people are born homosexual. So if god created them homosexual, that must be for a purpose I guess. Could be because homosexuals can't reproduce and our earth is getting overpopulated rapidly, so that could be a god's mechanism of population control.

 

Now that, is a very interesting point! But from I've seen in the bible (especially the reference made earlier about the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah), committing acts of homosexuality is a sin.

But we should keep our minds open to all possible reasons, so don't think I'm discarding your idea =)

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1 Corinthians 6:9b-11 NKJV Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extertioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God.

People who practice sexual sin will not be in God's Kingdom. But people do get delivered from such sin. When they become genuine Christians they repent--turn away from their sinful lifestyles and turn to Christ for help and deliverance. They stop identifying themselves as homosexuals or drunkards, and start identifying themselves as Christians. They take on a new identity. The old lifestyle person dies and the new person grows more and more Christ like.

However, the person who continues to practice such sin and calls himself a Christian is to be shunned. 1 Corinthians 5:11 NKJV But now I have written you to not keep company with anyone named a brother [in Christ], who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner---not even tè eat with such a person.

However, a person who hates his sin and contually struggles against it is to be treated with compassion. It is the person who boast of their "gay pride" and calls himself a Christian who is to be shunned. Churches that condone sin are blasphamous.

I hope this helps to clear things up. I personally have worked with a few guys who were gay and liked 2 out of 3. We also had an acquaintance who was a lesbian. They were not Christians. It is OK to associate with gay people who are not Christian. How else can they come to know the love of God and be delivered from their sin? 1 Cor. 5:10.Yet I did not mean the sexually immoral people of the world--. But it is not best to become close friends with them lest we also be caught up in their sin or even be perceived as condoning it.

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Matthew 5:25 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

The answer is to pray that God allow you to see her as He sees her. She is a beautiful creation of God to be protected. Does she know Jesus? Does God live in her? If she belongs to God you need to see that sign hanging around her neck when you look at her.. If she does not you need to see her as lost and in need of a Savior, and pity her.

Our pastor said that when he was a new Christian he would tell himself he was asking a beautiful girl out so he could share Christ with her. What a crock! He would never once mention Jesus. Just another apple in the garden of eden and another temptation of the enemy.

Don't do it!

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The New World's Marching Orders

 

There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men. Proverbs 30:14

 

Are The Same As The Old World's Marching Orders

 

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49

 

They Murder While Mocking The Law Of God

 

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

 

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

 

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12:29-31

 

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I don't see why would it be a sin, it's not a choice, people are born homosexual.

 

So if god created them homosexual, that must be for a purpose I guess.

 

Could be because homosexuals can't reproduce and our earth is getting overpopulated rapidly, so that could be a god's mechanism of population control.

 

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Beloved, God Does Not Make Man A Sinner

 

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

 

And The Devil Does Not Make Man Sin

 

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

 

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

 

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

Do not err, my beloved brethren. James 1:13-16

 

Sinning Makes Man A Sinner

 

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

 

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1:25-28

 

And Sinners Love Sin

 

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:32

 

But

 

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

 

There Is Only One Way

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

Given By God To Man That He May Escape

 

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36

 

May You Search And Find Him

 

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

 

Before It's Too Late

 

Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. Zephaniah 3:2

 

Love, Joe

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God didn't make them a homosexual no more than He made someone  a adulter..

 

And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. 

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