I started a new thread about the sacrifice of Jesus. continued from the catholic saved thread...
Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been
written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
1 Peter 3:18-19 He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being madealive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—
To me Revelation 13:8 could be translated Jesus (the lamb) was killed (was slain) from mankind
(creation of the world).
When it says he was put to death...sounds like crucifixion killed him...and out of the control of Jesus
John 10:17-18 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down andauthority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”
I believe Jesus chose to die, otherwise no one would have had the power to kill him.
My point is he was killed by the Romans and the Jews.
Shiloh357 thinks he chose to die and no one killed him
When the heathens sacrificed people they forced people to die. Nobody forced Jesus to be a
sacrifice..he chose it...he laid it down of his own accord...he went as a willing innocent
lamb...He even felt forsaken by his own Father...forsaken means abandoned...and he said the same
thing all Children of God will say at their last breath...Father, into your hands I commit my
spirit....as far as being at 3:00...That is a God thing...I don't believe in coincidence..God the Father was in contro...
Mankind made the ultimate sacrifice to God the Father for all of mankinds sin by sacrificing his
Son Jesus. Mankind didnt realize what they were doing...but they fulfilled the will of Almighty
Comments from shiloh357
Jesus was not murdered, executed nor was he a martyr. Jesus' death was a sacrifice. When we
attribute Jesus' death to any effort of man, we diminish its significance. Jesus gave His life.
No one took it from Him.
Jesus was in total control of the events surrounding His death. Jesus was not killed by the
efforts of man. Jesus did what none of can do: Jesus gave up His spirit. He died at exactly
3pm, the exact moment the passover lamb was killed in Jerusalem. Jesus didn't die from the
effects of crucifixion. He died at the moment He chose to die and not one second sooner or
Jesus' death is meaningless if Jesus died due to the will of man. Jesus' death was His own doing
and as God Jesus was sovereign over those who were crucifying Him. Jesus' gave His life as a
sacrifice for sin and He used men to accomplish it. But his death was a not murder, it was not
an execution, it was not an act of martyrdom. Jesus was not at the mercy of men, but was
fulfilling the will of His Father that was already in place before the foundations of earth were
Jesus was quoting from Psalm 22, a prophecy of His death on the cross.
Man did not take Jesus' life. His death was a sacrifice for sin. THAT is how we are to view it.
I don't view it this way...because it takes the focus away from the Cross. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
1 Corinthians 1:23-24 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
I feel the only way to really understand the Wrath of Almighty God is to understand what we (the human race) have done and the need for remorse and repentence. The following parable attempts to explain the consequences of betraying Jesus..
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’
So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”
“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
I know how Shiloh357 feels...Do the rest of you feel Jesus death is meaningless if Jesus was killed, crucified by mankind? Shiloh357 said that is how we are to view it....I am not sure who the we is because it sure is not me...maybe this whole board feels that way...and that is the we he is talking about...
This is a board what do you think?
you either believe Jesus
A) chose to die ......so mankind had the power to kill him.
B) chose to die ......mankind had no part in his death.
Thanks for any feedback.