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This subject has been coming up with Great Frequency and IMHO has "Muddied the Waters" on several threads.  I think there is confusion of who "Penned" the Scriptures and the TRUE AUTHOR.

 

In NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM am I Implying or Overtly attempting to cast a Disparaging Light on the Men That "Penned" GOD'S WORD, HE chose them for a reason..... and that's good enough for me  :)

 

I say GOD is the TRUE AUTHOR.....and this is my case:

 

 

First of ALL....

 

(2 Timothy 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God...."

 

GOD-BREATHED!!  Whats that tell you?

 

 

But I understand some need a little more meat.  As you know, both the Hebrew and Greek Alphabet have Numerical Values assigned to the letters; well................

 

Here's a couple GEMS:

 

If you take Genesis 1:1..... (In the beginning GOD created Heaven and the Earth.)  Then take the (number of the Letters and multiply that times the product of the Letters) then Divide that by the (number of the Words times the product of the Words) you get........ 3.1416 (Pi)

 

Strange but ok, could be just randomness or nothing.

But lets take a look @ the 2nd Major Creation Verse in the Bible which happens to be in the New Testament and in Greek.......Greek Letters also have numerical values.  John 1:1: ( In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and the Word was GOD).  Do the same thing.....(number of the Letters and multiply that times the product of the Letters) then Divide that by the (number of the Words times the product of the Words).  Guess what you get:.......... 2.7182 ("e")!!
 

"e"......Napierian Logarithm or LOG to the base "e".  This limiting value is 2.7182818285.

This number shows up everywhere in mathematics:  Wave Mechanics, Electrical Theory, Advanced Math, Distribution of Prime Numbers, Theory of Probability., Pure Theory of Numbers..etc.)  Oh...and "e" wasn't discovered until the 17th CENTURY!!

 

Coincidence huh? ....The 2 Main Creation Verses in the BIBLE = The Basic Constants in the Entire UNIVERSE!!!

 

 

The GENEALOGY IN GENESIS 5:  Unlike "American" names, Hebrew Names mean something :).   Did Moses Contrive this? ............

 

 

GenealogyGenesis5_zpscda8e359.jpg

 

WOW!!!!!!   PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Got another "Jaw Dropper" from Numbers 2:

GOD gave Moses specific instructions on how to set up their camp around the Tabernacle while wondering in the wilderness.  By taking the numbers within each tribe (there were three tribes in each of the 4 camps) and placing per GOD'S INSTRUCTIONS.....if you could fly over the camp, this is what you would see.....

 

 

CamparoundtheTabernacle_zpse4cc2750.jpg

 

 

WOW!!!!!!!!!!  How May Years Before the Cross Was Numbers Written???   PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Equidistant Letter SequencingCoding System

 

This is pretty amazing....

 

EquidistantLetterSequence_zps79de6060.jp

 

 

Taking (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy)  Using 49 (72) sequences, Genesis shown to Illustrate Technique.....

 

 

EquidistantLetterGenesis_zps23c3bd0c.jpg

 

 

YOU Get........

 

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You get Nothing in Leviticus using the Technique.......BUT WAIT :

 

 

TorahLeviticus_zps0175f2fa.jpg

 

 

......

 

 

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I think we're a bit beyond coincidence!!    Did Moses contrive this?  Or, did Moses receive the text LETTER BY LETTER??  Your Call!!  PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!

 

 

(Proverbs 25:2) "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

 

**(All Slides above Courtesy of Dr. Chuck Missler)**

 

 

In closing:  if you have ALOT of spare time, Look up Dr. Ivan Panin.
Graduated from Harvard, PhD in Mathematics in 1882. In 1890...discovered the Heptadic Structure underlying Biblical Text.  He generated 43,000 pages over 50 years....buckle your Seatbelt!!!  There's some Mind Blowing Gems in there...........

 

 

GOD IS THE TRUE AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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A lot there...will have to go at it one bite at a time...

Pi and "e". Does this work with Spanish or Latin or Hebrew? If it only works with English, which translation does it depend on? Some say "heaven" and others "heavens"?

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This is taken from the AKJV.  It's Hebrew and Greek in this particular case

 

NOTE: The majority of the Heptadic Structures (codes and such) are only revealed through the Textus Receptus or the AKJV.  That may be illuminating  :)



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I am a little confused here...the counting of the letters...which language are we talking about? English? Latin? Greek? Hebrew?

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Depends on what your counting.  Look @ the Genesis Slide..... that shows an example of the technique and the Language (HEBREW)



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The GENEALOGY IN GENESIS 5:  Unlike "American" names, Hebrew Names mean something :).   Did Moses Contrive this? ............
 
 
GenealogyGenesis5_zpscda8e359.jpg
 
WOW!!!!!!   PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was just going to post this in a different thread! I've seen this exact image before. Chuck Missler, right? 
 
 Good stuff! :D
 

**(All Slides above Courtesy of Dr. Chuck Missler)**

:laugh: Never mind. :laugh:



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You know it's intresting that even Sir Isaac Newton realized this and was working on these very things right up until his death.  



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You know it's intresting that even Sir Isaac Newton realized this and was working on these very things right up until his death.  

 

Yes he surely was Brother.

 

Did you know that Golgotha is 777 meters above sea level and........ is very close to the exact spot Abraham was prepared to Sacrifice Isaac?

 

GOD and the number 7....absolutely everywhere in Scripture!!!  I lost count of the 7's in Revelation...try it sometime :)

 

What an AWESOME GOD WE HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    and........ is very close to the exact spot

Haha... "very close to the exact"...ironclad reasoning there.  How can you argue with that? :)


Edited by jerryR34, 18 February 2014 - 05:36 PM.


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This may come as no surprise, but I am a huge skeptic to this sort of thing. 

 

First, we are not even sure where Golgotha was, and if we did, which part of it is 777 meters? The highest part, just any random part or what? 

 

As for Panin...here are couple closer looks at what he has claimed...

 

http://cs.anu.edu.au...panin_mark.html

 

http://cs.anu.edu.au...ugim/panin.html

 

Do a Google search of equidistant-letter-sequence and Moby Dick and see all the amazing things it foretold.

 

Bottom line is people see what they want to see, this to me is no different than the image of Jesus on a burnt piece of toast.

 

As for codes in the Bible, why not use the one found by Michael Drosnin, you know the one that said the world would end in 2006. 



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You know it's intresting that even Sir Isaac Newton realized this and was working on these very things right up until his death.  

 

I am very surprised you buy into this stuff, thought for sure this would be one place we agreed. 



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You know it's intresting that even Sir Isaac Newton realized this and was working on these very things right up until his death.  

 

I am very surprised you buy into this stuff, thought for sure this would be one place we agreed. 

 

 

 

 

You're dismissive attitude is noted and all too familiar.

 

You pull up Panin, I knew about the criticisms...that's fine of course, you didn't refute 99.9% of the OP.  LOL

 

It rings eerily to atheists fumble and stumble over the Book Of Daniel.

 

For the most part all you do is Quibble (Fallacy): http://www.iep.utm.e...lacy/#Quibbling through the majority of your posts...it's actually quite humorous.

 

 

First, we are not even sure where Golgotha was, and if we did, which part of it is 777 meters? The highest part, just any random part or what?

 

It's called a Topographical Map...it's the highest point of a hilltop.  http://www.khouse.or...icles/2008/758/   It's @ the top of this hill

 

Golgotha_zpsfe509c4b.jpg

 

Bottom line is people see what they want to see, this to me is no different than the image of Jesus on a burnt piece of toast.

 

uh huh....the Genesis Genealogies and the Cross from the Instructions in Numbers, eh?  Typical

 

 

Do a Google search of equidistant-letter-sequence and Moby Dick and see all the amazing things it foretold.

 

It must be a Farce then......I mean GOOGLE said so!!!!



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    and........ is very close to the exact spot

Haha... "very close to the exact"...ironclad reasoning there.  How can you argue with that? :)

 

 

 

Well I wasn't about to get all empirical....there have been many places for that  :)

 

How about my question??

 

 

Do you believe we are here due to:   Random Chance "nature"  or  Intelligent Design  "GOD"  ??

 

 

Since you haven't answered this in the last 5 posts or so, I thought if I bolded it an increased the font...you wouldn't accidentally miss it on purpose again.  This is a very serious topic Jerry that we need to face head on....Sincerely.



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You know it's intresting that even Sir Isaac Newton realized this and was working on these very things right up until his death.  

 

Got something else for your talents....

 

 

(Genesis 8:4) "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat."

 

Seven's....Shocker  :)

 

 

Got a mission for you.  There are 2 Hebrew Calendars, right?  One is the Genesis Calendar or something like that and the other GOD Ordained in Exodus.... Correct?  It has something to do with switching Tishri and Nisan as the 1st month of the year, I think. (sorry if I butchered that)  Anyways......

 

What Day and Month was Christ Resurrected?  Is it the Anniversary when Noah stepped off the Ark?



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There Is One I Can Always Count On

 

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

 

And His Name

 

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7

 

Is Jesus

 

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13



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You're dismissive attitude is noted and all too familiar.


 

 

Which is why I started with this statement....This may come as no surprise, but I am a huge skeptic to this sort of thing.

I am born skeptic, what can I say. 
 

 

 

You pull up Panin, I knew about the criticisms...that's fine of course, you didn't refute 99.9% of the OP.  LOL

 

It rings eerily to atheists fumble and stumble over the Book Of Daniel.

 

For the most part all you do is Quibble (Fallacy): http://www.iep.utm.e...lacy/#Quibbling through the majority of your posts...it's actually quite humorous.

 

 

Funny that you equate Panin with the Bible, I guess you view them both the same.  Panin cheated to make the text say what he wanted it to say. Those are the facts.

 

 

It's called a Topographical Map...it's the highest point of a hilltop.  http://www.khouse.or...icles/2008/758/   It's @ the top of this hill

 

 

Nobody knows for sure where Golgotha is/was.  This is just unproven speculation, something you claim to not like.

 

 

uh huh....the Genesis Genealogies and the Cross from the Instructions in Numbers, eh?  Typical

 

 

The bible does not say they were in a cross, it says "next" not behind...sounds more like they made a circle, which would make a lot more sense.  Why would anyone set up a camp in a cross.  Those poor people on the end of the south column would be far far from what was going on.  Makes much more sense to a circle around the center tent so everyone is equal.     

You are way to gullible it seems.

 

 

 

It must be a Farce then......I mean GOOGLE said so!!!!

 

 

Not a farce, just nothing special it can be done with any large group of letter.  Apply the right pattern and you can make Gone with the Wind tell you who will win the 2014 world series.  (that is an example of hyperbole by the way)



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Back to Genesis 1 equaling Pi...how were the values for each letter determined?   Who decided the 3 letters making up the Hebrew word for "and" had the values of 400, 1 and 6?



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You're dismissive attitude is noted and all too familiar.


 

 

Which is why I started with this statement....This may come as no surprise, but I am a huge skeptic to this sort of thing.

I am born skeptic, what can I say. 
 

 

 

You pull up Panin, I knew about the criticisms...that's fine of course, you didn't refute 99.9% of the OP.  LOL

 

It rings eerily to atheists fumble and stumble over the Book Of Daniel.

 

For the most part all you do is Quibble (Fallacy): http://www.iep.utm.e...lacy/#Quibbling through the majority of your posts...it's actually quite humorous.

 

 

Funny that you equate Panin with the Bible, I guess you view them both the same.  Panin cheated to make the text say what he wanted it to say. Those are the facts.

 

 

It's called a Topographical Map...it's the highest point of a hilltop.  http://www.khouse.or...icles/2008/758/   It's @ the top of this hill

 

 

Nobody knows for sure where Golgotha is/was.  This is just unproven speculation, something you claim to not like.

 

 

uh huh....the Genesis Genealogies and the Cross from the Instructions in Numbers, eh?  Typical

 

 

The bible does not say they were in a cross, it says "next" not behind...sounds more like they made a circle, which would make a lot more sense.  Why would anyone set up a camp in a cross.  Those poor people on the end of the south column would be far far from what was going on.  Makes much more sense to a circle around the center tent so everyone is equal.     

You are way to gullible it seems.

 

 

 

It must be a Farce then......I mean GOOGLE said so!!!!

 

 

Not a farce, just nothing special it can be done with any large group of letter.  Apply the right pattern and you can make Gone with the Wind tell you who will win the 2014 world series.  (that is an example of hyperbole by the way)

 

 

 

 

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Funny that you equate Panin with the Bible, I guess you view them both the same.  Panin cheated to make the text say what he wanted it to say. Those are the facts.

 

According to you LOL! It looks like you pulled one of those patented 5 second Google searches and Poof, up it comes.  As I said Panin, was less than ".05" of the post. 

 

And most interestingly  :mgdetective: ... it seems your little attackers are going after the Last 12 Verses of Mark, eh?  The same last 12 verses of Mark that are missing from the gnostic codices ( Siniaticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus; all dated between 300 and 350 AD) from our buddies Westcott and Hort..... with questioning authenticity in the marginal notations and "They're added later"  in all Modern Bible Translations.

 

What a Coincidence!!!  :huh:

 

Panin found 7's and multiples of.... from here to Christmas in those same verses and said no mere man could come up with it.  However, they have another little problem as it turns out....

 

In 150 AD, several Centuries before these codices,  Irenaeus quotes these verses in his commentary!  ahhh, Houston we have a problem.
2nd Century AD Hypolatus also comments on these exact verses.

 

 

 

Nobody knows for sure where Golgotha is/was.  This is just unproven speculation, something you claim to not like.

 

It's Historical Science and yes they pretty much know.

 

 

The bible does not say they were in a cross, it says "next" not behind...sounds more like they made a circle, which would make a lot more sense.  Why would anyone set up a camp in a cross.  Those poor people on the end of the south column would be far far from what was going on.  Makes much more sense to a circle around the center tent so everyone is equal.    

You are way to gullible it seems.

 

You should've let this go LOL The Coup De Gras.  What's the problem....NO GOOGLE HITS, eh?  Speaks VOLUMES!! You have to sit down with pen and paper to figure it out.

 

Too funny LFA.  Thanks for proving my point
 

 

Not a farce, just nothing special it can be done with any large group of letter.  Apply the right pattern and you can make Gone with the Wind tell you who will win the 2014 world series.  (that is an example of hyperbole by the way)

 

 

Yea nothing Special just random (72) LOL.....

 

TorahpointstoGOD_zpsf4190ae3.jpg

 

 

huge skeptic to this sort of thing.

 

Big difference between a "Huge Skeptic" and doing superficial research----- with associated conclusions (see Coup De Gras above), and a Quibbling "Cherry on Top".



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Back to Genesis 1 equaling Pi...how were the values for each letter determined?   Who decided the 3 letters making up the Hebrew word for "and" had the values of 400, 1 and 6?

 

You're kidding?  Will you apply the same Diligence with Numbers 2?  Go back up to the OP and read that part slowly...it has everything you need besides the Letter Values...you have to do a little research but they are accessible. 



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According to you LOL! It looks like you pulled one of those patented 5 second Google searches and Poof, up it comes.  As I said Panin, was less than ".05" of the post.

 

 

Panin's problems go well past just the Mark passage.  But you wouldn't know that because you just accept what people tell you as long as it fits into your preconceived view of things.
 

 

It's Historical Science and yes they pretty much know.

 

 

So now we go from exactly 777 meters to "pretty much".  Typical of what you tend to post.

 

 

You should've let this go LOL The Coup De Gras.  What's the problem....NO GOOGLE HITS, eh?  Speaks VOLUMES!! You have to sit down with pen and paper to figure it out.

 

Too funny LFA.  Thanks for proving my point

 

 

Have you even made it to Numbers in your reading of the Bible, you are after all by your own words pretty new to all this.  Try this, instead of taking some guys word for it, go read Numbers 2 and then point out the part about where they are a cross.   It is not there, the passage clearly states "next", not behind.  If I am standing next to you, is that to your side or behind you?  

 

Once you get to Numbers 2 you will find that God told them to "camp around the tent of meeting".  The word used there in Hebrew is sabib which means "circuit" or "round about".  Not much in there that makes on think of a cross. 

 

By the way, how does all this fit in with your view that one only needs to view the bible through the eyes of a child to understand it all?  what child figured all this out?  You cannot even stay consistent from one thread to the next, you are a reed in the wind going along with whatever someone tells you.


Edited by LookingForAnswers, 19 February 2014 - 12:01 AM.





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