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This is a topic that I was motivated to start by someone in this Worthy family. He believed in what I believe concerning the white horse rider of Revelation 6. The white horse rider is a religion (Christianity to be exact), the bow he held is God's word (The bible) that shoots arrows (God's word or Judgement messages) that pierce the heart and the spirit dividing them assunder. The crown given to the rider is a symbol of victory and authority. The horse he rode on is conquest.

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It is the Antichrist.

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It could be Satan coming out from heaven for the last time.  I believe this is at the 3 1/2 year point of the 70th Week.  He was given a crown, Sephanos or lessor crown.  This is Prophecy, not past history.  This a false type of the Second Coming.  At the onset of the 70th Week the A/C dies of a wound and comes back to life, a false type of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

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Are we going to have a false rapture ?

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that could fool a lot of people.....   how could one make that happen?

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Are we going to have a false rapture ?

Jesus would never allow that.You are giving Satan way too much credit and power.

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... that would probably be me as I only typed something similar in these threads yesterday.  And to think ... I thought I was all alone in the world who thought this.  However, there are some distinctive differences.

 

 

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I do NOT believe that the rider is "Christianity".  I stated that I believe it is psuedoChristianity.  It is RELIGIONS that have SIMILARITIES to true Christianity.  It is a FORM of GODLINESS. 

 

Here's why:

 

   a) I can see a ton of religions that borrow and distort from Christianity (including Jehovahs Witness, Moonies, Mormons, Christadelphians, .... so many that rose up on the 1800's ... even Islam and the Nation of Islam and 5% and Bahai etc, ... not to mention religious nuts who don't belong to any religion at all - all who honor God with their mouths, claiming to know Him, but whose hearts are far from Him).

 

   b) the other 4 (there are four, for death AND hades are two, not one) are THINGS.  So, why would the first be a human being (antichrist)?  Is that consistent?  Again, why would the first be a man, and the other four be things?  That is not consistent at all.  However, I can and do accept an argument that suggest the first rider is the SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST (not the actual man).  After all, that is what all these religions are ... right?  Don't they ALL oppose the Deity and Truth of our Lord?  They are all of the spirit of antichrist.

 

 

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I have no opinion on the bow or arrows or crown.  So, we do not think alike in this.  We think similarly.

 

 

 

I would have rather created this subject myself, but, it's no matter.  And I'm sure (though not positive) the other person you saw type this, was me.  I typed it yesterday. 

 

This isn't something I learned from anyone.  No seminary school.  No professor.  No elder.  No youtube clip.  It came to me as casually as other things to ... when I'm not even looking or studying.  And I do NOT say "this is the absolute truth!"

 

I simply say this is how {I} see it.  I don't expect anyone to follow.  I don't expect everyone to agree either.  And I know that even saints CAN be doctrinized, and this is a very common and popular teaching that the rider on a white horse is the antichrist ... so, most Christians would dismiss it without even considering what I say.  I presented it to my father (Paster, Ordained Minister, Reverend) and my mother and my sister.  Only my father didn't respond.  That usually means he is considering it.  lol  Or I have presented him something in a different light.

 

 

 

Those who can receive it will receive it.  Those who cannot, well, I don't expect you to.  But I have said WHY I think it is psuedoChristianity.  Similar beliefs.  Adoption and distortion of our faith.  All I will ask of you is for you to show WHY you think it is a man.  Why a man ... when the other riders are not a man?

 

 

And one more thing...

 

If you pay close attention, that rider of a white horse is the DECEPTION that blinds mankind which makes WAY for the other riders to come.

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Are we going to have a false rapture ?

Jesus would never allow that.You are giving Satan way too much credit and power.

 

 

A false rapture would not fool those who have been raptured, but it may fool those left behind.

But as you rightly say, Jesus would not allow a false rapture.

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Rev 6:1-17 White Horse and Rev 19:11-16 White Horse are not the same. Rev 6 white horse is the antichrist inside the seals and Rev 19 White Horse is Jesus Christ. Rev 6 rider carries a bow whereas Christ’s weapon is a sword (Rev. Rev. 2:12+; Rev. 19:15+). Rev 6 rider is alone whereas Christ is followed by the armies in heaven also riding on white horses (Rev. Rev. 19:14+). Finally, this rider sets forth at the beginning of the Tribulation whereas Christ rides forth at its end. - DRS81
 

 

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Are we going to have a false rapture ?

Jesus would never allow that.You are giving Satan way too much credit and power.

 

 

A false rapture would not fool those who have been raptured, but it may fool those left behind.

But as you rightly say, Jesus would not allow a false rapture.

 

why do you say that???   both of you

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Are we going to have a false rapture ?

Jesus would never allow that.You are giving Satan way too much credit and power.

 

 

A false rapture would not fool those who have been raptured, but it may fool those left behind.

But as you rightly say, Jesus would not allow a false rapture.

 

why do you say that???   both of you

 

 

I can't see how there could be a false rapture. Satan doesn't have it in his power to create one and Jesus won't.

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Yeah it was you Donibm and I was surprised to know that I was also not the only one who thought so. Well, the reason I think that the rider of the horse is the Church is because the bible states that he went out as a conqueror and that he was to conquer. Religions who copy from Christianity e.g Jehovah's witnesses are not to conquer as they will lose their authority on the last day. But the true Church are given a crown both now and on the last day. It can't also possibly be the antichrist cos' that passage is a symbolic context and not a literal one. Am not being dogmatic here but I partly support my brother Donibm. The red horse rider could be Islam as he had power to cause war and Islam is known for war.

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This is a topic that I was motivated to start by someone in this Worthy family. He believed in what I believe concerning the white horse rider of Revelation 6. The white horse rider is a religion (Christianity to be exact), the bow he held is God's word (The bible) that shoots arrows (God's word or Judgement messages) that pierce the heart and the spirit dividing them assunder. The crown given to the rider is a symbol of victory and authority. The horse he rode on is conquest.

I also think its the church.

Rev. 19 Jesus is on a white horse.

I think this white horse started at the beginning from Pentecost.

The apostles went conquering people hearts with truth and peace. 

Then the Red horse is as Paul mention about in Acts 20 grievous wolves would scatter the flock, - they started to take peace from the earth with a sword(false doctrines, wrong spirit).

 

I know most think its somewhere in the future.

 

I think the first seal was opened in John's

I am not preterist. 

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Yeah it was you Donibm and I was surprised to know that I was also not the only one who thought so. Well, the reason I think that the rider of the horse is the Church is because the bible states that he went out as a conqueror and that he was to conquer. Religions who copy from Christianity e.g Jehovah's witnesses are not to conquer as they will lose their authority on the last day. But the true Church are given a crown both now and on the last day. It can't also possibly be the antichrist cos' that passage is a symbolic context and not a literal one. Am not being dogmatic here but I partly support my brother Donibm. The red horse rider could be Islam as he had power to cause war and Islam is known for war.

We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he"

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

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At the onset of the 70th Week the A/C dies of a wound and comes back to life, a false type of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi Marv,

I see several assumptions in this statement. What scriptures support this belief?

Cheers

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Personally, I don't think we will care of consider it.

 

If raptured, we're GONE!  lol

 

Bye-bye birdie (OK, I'm showing my age a little)

 

But seriously, when someone is on a roller coaster, are they thinking about the trip home, or yesterdays argument with an idiot co-worker, or food?  No.  You're in a ZONE.  Zoned out.  Excited.  Full of adrenaline. 

 

So, in Paradise, seeing all things new.  New structures.  New bodies.  New creatures.  Stuff we've never seen, dreamt of or imagined ... New foods (without feeling full or having to poop).  Without needing sleep or rest.  Without an itch.  NO WORK (I can't wait!!)!!  Will you really be thinking about anything on earth?  Like, hang on.  Lemme look over this diamond wall to see whats going on in that rotten, sinful planet.  I doubt I would ... unless, like when this happens and we come out to see the aftermath of the war between Michael and Satan and a loud WOE goes out for the inhabitants of the world.  Maybe then we will have a tingle of .... sorrow ... for them.  Maybe.  But at the same time, there is also the righteous indignation of "You fools!  You should have listened instead of mocked!  You should have heeded our warnings!  Now you will wish that all you had to do was profane and mock us!  But now you must reap the bitterness of your OWN corruption!"

 

It is now my attitude of ... Give them what they ask for Lord.  They want a world without us and You?  Give them their desire.  We are constantly grieved here anyway.  Call us unto yourself ... and give these other what they are longing for.  Hell On Earth.

 

 

But in Heaven, I doubt we'll be thinking about the Tribulation on earth.  We will be ... ZONED OUT.

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I understand.

 

But, go out and CONQUOR could mean "corrupt".  Have you considered that?

 

Satan devours right?  And in his devouring, isn't he also conquering?  Yes, of course he does, for he is conquering over the righteous and sinners whom he devours. 

 

And in any case, that would be to yoke Christianity with death, famine, death and hades.  Does that picture look right to you?  LOL

 

Now, replace "Christianity" with "false Christianity" and it all lines up perfectly ... doesn't it?

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This is a topic that I was motivated to start by someone in this Worthy family. He believed in what I believe concerning the white horse rider of Revelation 6. The white horse rider is a religion (Christianity to be exact), the bow he held is God's word (The bible) that shoots arrows (God's word or Judgement messages) that pierce the heart and the spirit dividing them assunder. The crown given to the rider is a symbol of victory and authority. The horse he rode on is conquest.

What leads you to believe that the horse rider is white, instead of just the horse?

What leads you to believe that this is religion?

 

"a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer."

 

Bow, crown (victor's wreath stephanos, not diadem = ruler's crown).

Are any of these items religious?

 

BTW, I think that the key to understanding the seals & the 4 horsemen is in the Olivet Discourse (e.g., Mat 24) where there is a parallelism with the Signs listed.

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I didn't mean the rider being white, I meant he rode a white horse. Like as in "Tree frog catcher" "Wild horse trainer" e.t.c. Now to you bro! Donibm. White is a symbol of peace, if it were to be a false religion, maybe a blood red or black horse may be considered but the rider might still have a crown. And remember, as my friend Bible_Gazer had said, Christ also rides a white horse.

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I didn't mean the rider being white, I meant he rode a white horse. Like as in "Tree frog catcher" "Wild horse trainer" e.t.c. Now to you bro! Donibm. White is a symbol of peace, if it were to be a false religion, maybe a blood red or black horse may be considered but the rider might still have a crown. And remember, as my friend Bible_Gazer had said, Christ also rides a white horse.

Whats for the response, O KW.

 

Now today the white flag connotes peace.  You rightly call attention to a need to study the symbolism of colors for the 4 Horsemen.  Good obs how Christ is show riding a white horse.  That wud support id'ing him w/ a pseudo-Christ, a counterfeit.  And Christ in Rv 19 is riding forth to conquer, which supports the idea of conquest.

 

But what is the Bible evidence that white is a symbol of peace in the Bible?

 

"Tho ur sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow."  So I am aware of a symbolism for purity.  But I am open to new illumination; feel free to educate me: Where does white connote peace in the Bible?

 

And again, what leads u to suppose that the White horseman is religion?  Yeah, some religionists may ride a hobby horse!  I knew a guy who was obsessed w/ 666, filling up a forum w/ all kinds of 666 refs, like in phone numbers.  But I digress,

was ist das prrrooof that White horseman beez religion?

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At the onset of the 70th Week the A/C dies of a wound and comes back to life, a false type of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Hi Marv,

I see several assumptions in this statement. What scriptures support this belief?

Cheers

 

I too am wondering what the evidence is for "At the onset of the 70th Week."  He makes a cov for 1 week (of yrs) Dan 9.  But putting the pseudo-res at that point is another question. 

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We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he"

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

So Marv, thou sayest: 

We as the Church or the Bride of Christ are considered a "she" not a "he."

 

So to make the Bible politically correct today (& not sexist) it should be retranslated as "Spouse of," instead of Bride of? And also instead of she or he, the pronoun wud be rendered "they," even though "they" is supposedly a plural pronoun?

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I just considered the Olivet discourse as you had said EnochBethany. I have been able to discover this

"And you shall be hated by all men for the sake of my name

But there shall not an hair of your head perish

In your patience, possess ye your souls" (Luke 21:17-19)

Is this not a symbol of conquest? And who was the statement directed to? Is it not the disciples of Jesus Christ and was it not indirectly to the Church?

Now I have also discovered a passage concerning Donibm's theory. It's also in the Olivet discourse and it may also support what Donibm thinks about the rider of the white horse.

"For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:5).

This is conquest in the sense of corruption. The false Christs shall succeed in deceiving many. False Christs are pseudo-christians, copying from Christianity and deceiving many.

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At no point does the Bible identify the rider of the white horse....

 

 

Revelation 6:6 -

First Seal: The Conqueror

Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals;[a] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

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How do you mean MorningGlory sis?

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