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Disappointment with God

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There was an article on the huffington post that I recently read (http://www.huffingto..._b_3930620.html). It was about the difference in expectations between Gen Y’s and the Baby boomers.  The article gave an equation of Happiness.

 

Happiness = Reality – Expectations.

 

One example of this is when we buy something. If we find something cheap that really does a great job, we feel like we have got a real bargain. If we spend a lot of money on something only to find out it is junk we feel disappointed and that someone has sold us a lie.

 

The article went on to say that Gen Y’s had huge expectations and their reality wasn’t meeting their expectations. This meant that many Gen Y’s were facing disappointment with life. In contrast the Baby Boomer’s had few expectations, having parents who lived through World Wars and The Great Depression and their reality exceeded their expectations. Therefore Baby Boomers were generally happier.

 

Another way of looking at this is disappointments occur when our reality doesn’t meet our expectations.  People face disappointments with God when the reality of God in their life doesn’t meet their expectations.

 

One of my former leaders told me the story of how she came to faith in Jesus. She was at church and the preacher asked, ‘Do you want love, peace and joy?’ And she thought, ‘Well who doesn’t want that?’ So she responded to the alter call.

 

Her reality in following Jesus wasn’t just love, peace and joy and then she experienced disappointments with God. She had some questions to ask. Does my disappointment mean that Jesus isn’t real? Or was my expectation wrong? Was I sold a life? What does it really mean to follow Jesus?

 

Because my former leader had a real relationship with Jesus she was able to work through some of her disappointments. She turned to the Bible, particularly the gospels, and putting aside her preconceived ideas, read for herself who Jesus really is and what he taught.

 

In an earlier post I talked about how Jesus came to save us from our sins, not from our circumstances. When we are ‘sold’ a Jesus who saves us from our circumstances we are bound to experience disappointment.

 

With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?



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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

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We are disappointed when we expect something from the Lord which the Lord never promised.

 

Happiness = Reality – Expectations?

 

How about Happiness = Rosy Expectations - Disappointments.

 

Hope deferred maketh the heart sick.

 

But ultimately, how can we be disappointed when we freely receive all things?

 

He Who spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all; how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things.

 

 

 



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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

:thumbsup:

 

You shouted! 

"THE ONLY THING WE TRULY OWN IN THIS LIFE IS OUR "KNOWLEDGE"."

 

-- thus saith the Internet Troll Crank.

 

Actually, I regard the whole capital letter business as nonsense.  Inserting caps doesn't bother me at all, neither does it hurt my ears!



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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

:thumbsup:

 

You shouted! 

"THE ONLY THING WE TRULY OWN IN THIS LIFE IS OUR "KNOWLEDGE"."

 

-- thus saith the Internet Troll Crank.

 

Actually, I regard the whole capital letter business as nonsense.  Inserting caps doesn't bother me at all, neither does it hurt my ears!

 

 

.....   and the sky in your world is what color???



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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

:thumbsup:

 

You shouted! 

"THE ONLY THING WE TRULY OWN IN THIS LIFE IS OUR "KNOWLEDGE"."

 

-- thus saith the Internet Troll Crank.

 

Actually, I regard the whole capital letter business as nonsense.  Inserting caps doesn't bother me at all, neither does it hurt my ears!

 

 

.....   and the sky in your world is what color???

 

Blue, except when I lived in England!



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I think that you have it right. Many people are leaving the church - mainly the building. They have received a bill of goods from pastors who are more afraid of offending their congregants and loosing their money than they are of teaching about Christ and against sin. So, they are forming their own home meetings - small groups - to know each other and the Lord in a personal way. That is the way it was in the beginning, and the way it will be at the end.



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Blessings Hashe...

      I don't know how anyone else feels about all this but I get awfully tired of the blame always pht on what one hears from the pulpit.....is it not each mans responsibility to see that the things they are being "sold" are truly what the Bible teaches......is not each person accountable for their Salvation?

       I happen to be blessed to have a wonderful Pastor who tells it like it is & refers to Scripture only....but you must know there is not a time that I just take that for granted & he always encourages us to read these things for ourselves,,,,,,what we have is a very lazy generation,IMO

                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik



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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).



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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

 

If you look into the Greek for what Jesus was asking Peter you will find that what Jesus asked is not what Peter was saying.   The words translated love there are very different....   The first two times Jesus asked him if he loved him the way God loves us and sent his son to die so that we might be reconnected to the Father.   What Peter was telling him was something like we are very good friends.....   What Jesus asked the third time was are we really good friends...    remember that not long prior to their talking Peter had denied three times that he even knew who he was.

 

So I would say that it wasn't that he asked him the third time, but he backed him up in the corner and asked him if they were really friends at all.



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Not to be argumentative, but how does that relate to Christ's admonition to those who wish to be pastors that they are not only to teach, but to lead and protect them in their faith?



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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

 

If you look into the Greek for what Jesus was asking Peter you will find that what Jesus asked is not what Peter was saying.   The words translated love there are very different....   The first two times Jesus asked him if he loved him the way God loves us and sent his son to die so that we might be reconnected to the Father.   What Peter was telling him was something like we are very good friends.....   What Jesus asked the third time was are we really good friends...    remember that not long prior to their talking Peter had denied three times that he even knew who he was.

 

So I would say that it wasn't that he asked him the third time, but he backed him up in the corner and asked him if they were really friends at all.

 

 

John uses synomyns in the passage to which you are referring. There is no real difference in the meaning of the words, when John writes. It is a stylistic issue. All the way through John's gospel he uses synomyns for variety. People want to make much of the Greek, but really there is no big deal there.



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Blessings Hashe...

      I don't know how anyone else feels about all this but I get awfully tired of the blame always pht on what one hears from the pulpit.....is it not each mans responsibility to see that the things they are being "sold" are truly what the Bible teaches......is not each person accountable for their Salvation?

       I happen to be blessed to have a wonderful Pastor who tells it like it is & refers to Scripture only....but you must know there is not a time that I just take that for granted & he always encourages us to read these things for ourselves,,,,,,what we have is a very lazy generation,IMO

                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

I'm not sure I'm just blaming what one hears from the pulpit. I asked the question of myself, 'What Jesus am I sharing?' It is really an invitation for all to ask the question themselves and not just blame others.



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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

 

If you look into the Greek for what Jesus was asking Peter you will find that what Jesus asked is not what Peter was saying.   The words translated love there are very different....   The first two times Jesus asked him if he loved him the way God loves us and sent his son to die so that we might be reconnected to the Father.   What Peter was telling him was something like we are very good friends.....   What Jesus asked the third time was are we really good friends...    remember that not long prior to their talking Peter had denied three times that he even knew who he was.

 

So I would say that it wasn't that he asked him the third time, but he backed him up in the corner and asked him if they were really friends at all.

 

 

John uses synomyns in the passage to which you are referring. There is no real difference in the meaning of the words, when John writes. It is a stylistic issue. All the way through John's gospel he uses synomyns for variety. People want to make much of the Greek, but really there is no big deal there.

 

i would beg to differ but it really isn't worth an argument over...



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Blessings Hashe....

     I don't recall ever blaming "you" for blaming anyone......I addressed you specifically in response to your OP where in I do believe you said these things were said by the huffington post,or did I read it wrong?What I did say was" I do not know how anyone else feels about it" (including you) which was a question I asked also.......

      If you get to know me you will find if I had meant it the way you took it I would have asked"Why are you blaming what you hear from the pulpit?"

       I responded to your invitation,nothing more to it........God Bless you

                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik



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Blessings Hashe....

     I don't recall ever blaming "you" for blaming anyone......I addressed you specifically in response to your OP where in I do believe you said these things were said by the huffington post,or did I read it wrong?What I did say was" I do not know how anyone else feels about it" (including you) which was a question I asked also.......

      If you get to know me you will find if I had meant it the way you took it I would have asked"Why are you blaming what you hear from the pulpit?"

       I responded to your invitation,nothing more to it........God Bless you

                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

Thanks for the clarification



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Most of the time when I am disappointed in God it usually has to do with the phrase, "why did you let me do that?"



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Most of the time when I am disappointed in God it usually has to do with the phrase, "why did you let me do that?"



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