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There was an article on the huffington post that I recently read (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/generation-y-unhappy_b_3930620.html). It was about the difference in expectations between Gen Y’s and the Baby boomers.  The article gave an equation of Happiness.

 

Happiness = Reality – Expectations.

 

One example of this is when we buy something. If we find something cheap that really does a great job, we feel like we have got a real bargain. If we spend a lot of money on something only to find out it is junk we feel disappointed and that someone has sold us a lie.

 

The article went on to say that Gen Y’s had huge expectations and their reality wasn’t meeting their expectations. This meant that many Gen Y’s were facing disappointment with life. In contrast the Baby Boomer’s had few expectations, having parents who lived through World Wars and The Great Depression and their reality exceeded their expectations. Therefore Baby Boomers were generally happier.

 

Another way of looking at this is disappointments occur when our reality doesn’t meet our expectations.  People face disappointments with God when the reality of God in their life doesn’t meet their expectations.

 

One of my former leaders told me the story of how she came to faith in Jesus. She was at church and the preacher asked, ‘Do you want love, peace and joy?’ And she thought, ‘Well who doesn’t want that?’ So she responded to the alter call.

 

Her reality in following Jesus wasn’t just love, peace and joy and then she experienced disappointments with God. She had some questions to ask. Does my disappointment mean that Jesus isn’t real? Or was my expectation wrong? Was I sold a life? What does it really mean to follow Jesus?

 

Because my former leader had a real relationship with Jesus she was able to work through some of her disappointments. She turned to the Bible, particularly the gospels, and putting aside her preconceived ideas, read for herself who Jesus really is and what he taught.

 

In an earlier post I talked about how Jesus came to save us from our sins, not from our circumstances. When we are ‘sold’ a Jesus who saves us from our circumstances we are bound to experience disappointment.

 

With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

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Thanks for that!

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We are disappointed when we expect something from the Lord which the Lord never promised.

 

Happiness = Reality – Expectations?

 

How about Happiness = Rosy Expectations - Disappointments.

 

Hope deferred maketh the heart sick.

 

But ultimately, how can we be disappointed when we freely receive all things?

 

He Who spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all; how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things.

 

 

 

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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

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You shouted! 

"THE ONLY THING WE TRULY OWN IN THIS LIFE IS OUR "KNOWLEDGE"."

 

-- thus saith the Internet Troll Crank.

 

Actually, I regard the whole capital letter business as nonsense.  Inserting caps doesn't bother me at all, neither does it hurt my ears!

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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

:thumbsup:

 

You shouted! 

"THE ONLY THING WE TRULY OWN IN THIS LIFE IS OUR "KNOWLEDGE"."

 

-- thus saith the Internet Troll Crank.

 

Actually, I regard the whole capital letter business as nonsense.  Inserting caps doesn't bother me at all, neither does it hurt my ears!

 

 

.....   and the sky in your world is what color???

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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

 

:thumbsup:

 

You shouted! 

"THE ONLY THING WE TRULY OWN IN THIS LIFE IS OUR "KNOWLEDGE"."

 

-- thus saith the Internet Troll Crank.

 

Actually, I regard the whole capital letter business as nonsense.  Inserting caps doesn't bother me at all, neither does it hurt my ears!

 

 

.....   and the sky in your world is what color???

 

Blue, except when I lived in England!

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I think that you have it right. Many people are leaving the church - mainly the building. They have received a bill of goods from pastors who are more afraid of offending their congregants and loosing their money than they are of teaching about Christ and against sin. So, they are forming their own home meetings - small groups - to know each other and the Lord in a personal way. That is the way it was in the beginning, and the way it will be at the end.

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Blessings Hashe...

      I don't know how anyone else feels about all this but I get awfully tired of the blame always pht on what one hears from the pulpit.....is it not each mans responsibility to see that the things they are being "sold" are truly what the Bible teaches......is not each person accountable for their Salvation?

       I happen to be blessed to have a wonderful Pastor who tells it like it is & refers to Scripture only....but you must know there is not a time that I just take that for granted & he always encourages us to read these things for ourselves,,,,,,what we have is a very lazy generation,IMO

                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

 

If you look into the Greek for what Jesus was asking Peter you will find that what Jesus asked is not what Peter was saying.   The words translated love there are very different....   The first two times Jesus asked him if he loved him the way God loves us and sent his son to die so that we might be reconnected to the Father.   What Peter was telling him was something like we are very good friends.....   What Jesus asked the third time was are we really good friends...    remember that not long prior to their talking Peter had denied three times that he even knew who he was.

 

So I would say that it wasn't that he asked him the third time, but he backed him up in the corner and asked him if they were really friends at all.

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Not to be argumentative, but how does that relate to Christ's admonition to those who wish to be pastors that they are not only to teach, but to lead and protect them in their faith?

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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

 

If you look into the Greek for what Jesus was asking Peter you will find that what Jesus asked is not what Peter was saying.   The words translated love there are very different....   The first two times Jesus asked him if he loved him the way God loves us and sent his son to die so that we might be reconnected to the Father.   What Peter was telling him was something like we are very good friends.....   What Jesus asked the third time was are we really good friends...    remember that not long prior to their talking Peter had denied three times that he even knew who he was.

 

So I would say that it wasn't that he asked him the third time, but he backed him up in the corner and asked him if they were really friends at all.

 

 

John uses synomyns in the passage to which you are referring. There is no real difference in the meaning of the words, when John writes. It is a stylistic issue. All the way through John's gospel he uses synomyns for variety. People want to make much of the Greek, but really there is no big deal there.

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Blessings Hashe...

      I don't know how anyone else feels about all this but I get awfully tired of the blame always pht on what one hears from the pulpit.....is it not each mans responsibility to see that the things they are being "sold" are truly what the Bible teaches......is not each person accountable for their Salvation?

       I happen to be blessed to have a wonderful Pastor who tells it like it is & refers to Scripture only....but you must know there is not a time that I just take that for granted & he always encourages us to read these things for ourselves,,,,,,what we have is a very lazy generation,IMO

                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

I'm not sure I'm just blaming what one hears from the pulpit. I asked the question of myself, 'What Jesus am I sharing?' It is really an invitation for all to ask the question themselves and not just blame others.

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Pastors are to be leaders and caretakers of their "flocks." John 21:16-17 "Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep." (NIV)

In this exchange, Jesus was emphasizing tending the sheep in a supervisory capacity, not only feeding but ruling over them. This expresses the full scope of pastoral oversight, both in Peter’s future and in all those who would follow him in pastoral ministry. Peter follows Jesus’ example and repeats this same Greek word poimaino in his first pastoral letter to the elders of the churches of Asia Minor: “Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers” (1 Peter 5:2).

 

If you look into the Greek for what Jesus was asking Peter you will find that what Jesus asked is not what Peter was saying.   The words translated love there are very different....   The first two times Jesus asked him if he loved him the way God loves us and sent his son to die so that we might be reconnected to the Father.   What Peter was telling him was something like we are very good friends.....   What Jesus asked the third time was are we really good friends...    remember that not long prior to their talking Peter had denied three times that he even knew who he was.

 

So I would say that it wasn't that he asked him the third time, but he backed him up in the corner and asked him if they were really friends at all.

 

 

John uses synomyns in the passage to which you are referring. There is no real difference in the meaning of the words, when John writes. It is a stylistic issue. All the way through John's gospel he uses synomyns for variety. People want to make much of the Greek, but really there is no big deal there.

 

i would beg to differ but it really isn't worth an argument over...

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Blessings Hashe....

     I don't recall ever blaming "you" for blaming anyone......I addressed you specifically in response to your OP where in I do believe you said these things were said by the huffington post,or did I read it wrong?What I did say was" I do not know how anyone else feels about it" (including you) which was a question I asked also.......

      If you get to know me you will find if I had meant it the way you took it I would have asked"Why are you blaming what you hear from the pulpit?"

       I responded to your invitation,nothing more to it........God Bless you

                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

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Blessings Hashe....

     I don't recall ever blaming "you" for blaming anyone......I addressed you specifically in response to your OP where in I do believe you said these things were said by the huffington post,or did I read it wrong?What I did say was" I do not know how anyone else feels about it" (including you) which was a question I asked also.......

      If you get to know me you will find if I had meant it the way you took it I would have asked"Why are you blaming what you hear from the pulpit?"

       I responded to your invitation,nothing more to it........God Bless you

                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

Thanks for the clarification

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My disappointment is not in God in anyway but in my own misinterpretation of a situation where I thought I missed out on or I needed something.

The flesh can be quite bratty and annoying.

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Most of the time when I am disappointed in God it usually has to do with the phrase, "why did you let me do that?"

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Most of the time when I am disappointed in God it usually has to do with the phrase, "why did you let me do that?"

To learn?

That's true for me anyway!

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My first question is, are people leaving the church or leaving Jesus?

 

 

I am limited to seeing what is occuring in my area, where there are people leaving the church, but not leaving Jesus. Some have been Christians for 20 or 30 years, and are seeing error in the churches so are leaving. The other group are generation Y believers, who are disappointed in the churches, but I know many who are leaving the church but not Jesus.

 

I do know people who seem to accept Jesus, and later leave the church and Jesus. I think this is explained in the parable of the seeds, some scattered on rocks, some among thorns, etc. According to the parable, many of these seeds which are not in good ground, fail due to trials.  

 

Matthew 13:3 And He spoke many things to them in parables, saying, “Behold, the sower went out to sow; and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up. Others fell on the rocky places, where they did not have much soil; and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of soil. But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them out. And others fell on the good soil and *yielded a crop, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. He who has ears, let him hear.”

 

Mattew 13:18 “Hear then the parable of the sower. 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. 20 The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 23 And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”

 

In sharing the gospel, we must keep in mind that we are not trying to bring people to our church, or to us, but we are trying to bring people to Jesus. We should present Jesus and the gospel as truthfully and clearly as possible, knowing that we are to be persuasive to that person and culture. But, salvation is of the Lord. We do not actually save anyone, and it is the Holy Spirit Who draws, and gives revelation of Jesus.
 
I knew a missionary who was known to be very effective. Large numbers of a certain group were saved by this mans work as a missionary. Yet, I know he had those who appeared to accept the Lord, and when a trial came which was more then they thought they could take, they renounced Jesus. I had the opportunity to read the diary of one such person, and from the outside, they would have appeared very enthusiastic for Jesus, but their personal thoughts showed that they were actually attracted to the appearance of Christians being friendly, and a tight knit group who have a good time together. They actually wanted to be a part of the group, and 'accepted Jesus' because that was the way to be a member of that group of Christians. But, when the Christians disappointed them, they renounced Jesus to return to their old group of friends.  
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      I  believe I would tend to agree with you that people are just leaving the church(by that,we both mean houses of prayer & worship).Do you think that might tell us that perhaps many people attend church with the wrong intent & purpose in mind or perhaps unrealistic expectations?Isn't our main purpose in gathering with a Body of Believers to Praise & Worship God besides the hearing of His Word?I don't know,I can only be in one place at a time(lol)but on Sunday mornings when I am in the midst of my fellow congregants & we are all praising God and worshiping Him there is a feeling of gratitude I am overwhelmed by that I can just imagine how it must delight our Father.................There must be way too much"whats in it for me" attitude as part of the reason allot of folks are leaving,do you think so?

    "We" are "the Church".........perhaps if everyone had more of a "we" attitude there would be greater attendance in our houses of Prayer & Worship............just my little 2 cents,Praise & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                              With love-in Christ,Kwik

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With so many people reportedly leaving churches, it makes we wonder, what Jesus they were sold? And what Jesus do I sell to others?

I think that is an appropriate question.    I think it really puts a finger on a real problem in evangelism. 

 

We have treated evangelism as if Jesus is a product we have to "sell" to the world.  

 

I find it interesting that Jesus didn't "sell" what He had to offer.    Jesus told people, that they had to deny themselves, take up their cross and follow Him.   Jesus used the filter of the cross to sift through those who were true followers and those who were simply admirers.   Jesus told them to take up their cross and follow Him.  The cross represented the loss of everything.   Jesus didn't try to talk people into following Him.

 

Anything I can talk you into, someone else can talk you out of.    We are simply called to be witnesses to the truth.   But unfortunately, we have felt that need to "sell" people things like joy, peace, healing, prosperity, happiness and so forth.   We have told people about the blessings of following Jesus ,but we have said next to nothing about the cost of following Jesus.

 

We have done a grave disservice to people when we present a false, rosy picture of what following Jesus really looks like.

 

Following Jesus has to be from a motivation of faith. It has to be something that you own, something that you are convinced of.  Those who trust Christ from a genuine motive of faith can weather any storm.  Those who follow Jesus merely because they were sold a set of propositional claims have no true lasting faith.

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Most of the time when I am disappointed in God it usually has to do with the phrase, "why did you let me do that?"

Maybe HE would respond "Because you wanted to do it? But I will use it for your good to accomplish my plan for you."

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Jesus gave us a peace that is different than the peace the world has. It is a peace I can have along side of any hardship that I might be experiencing. Most become christians because they met Jesus and because of what he did for them. This is the peace we have. It is important to find the right church, A new christian might not know this. It is sad that some think because they are christians their problems are over. We need to get the word out that we have many of the same problems as everyone; but we have a hope in Jesus Christ

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