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Matthew 13:24-30

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

Matthew 13:40-43

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

 

 

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Do you think that the tares know that they are tares?  That they are not really of the kingdom of God? That they do damage to the body of Christ? 

I'm not talking about passing judgement over others without the authority to do so; but knowing people by their fruits. 

 

Can a tare turn into wheat?  Can a wheat turn into tare?



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Zion, these are some really good questions!

 

 

Do you think that the tares know that they are tares? 

I don't think most of them know, but I do believe some do. When I think of a person who's a "tare", I don't typically think of someone who'd ever even question themselves as to whether they were a "tare". As to those who do, we do see in Scripture where people went into churches with the sole intent to cause division.

 

 

Can a tare turn into wheat?

Yes, when and if they become saved, as I see the wheat as believers, and the tare as unbelievers.

 

 

Can a wheat turn into tare?

For this to be possible, one would have to believe one could "lose" or "give back" their salvation, which I don't think someone who's truly been born again would/could ever do.

 

What do you think?



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Zion, these are some really good questions!
 

Do you think that the tares know that they are tares? 

I don't think most of them know, but I do believe some do. When I think of a person who's a "tare", I don't typically think of someone who'd ever even question themselves as to whether they were a "tare". As to those who do, we do see in Scripture where people went into churches with the sole intent to cause division.

 

 
Could you give me some examples, sis?  I'm trying to think myself but I'm coming up blank
 
 
  

 

Can a tare turn into wheat?

Yes, when and if they become saved, as I see the wheat as believers, and the tare as unbelievers.

 

 
Cool, I'm with you here.
 
  

 

Can a wheat turn into tare?

For this to be possible, one would have to believe one could "lose" or "give back" their salvation, which I don't think someone who's truly been born again would/could ever do.
 
What do you think?

 

 
 
I struggle with this one, I admit, because of the whole ambiguity of when is backsliding a righteous man falling down even seven times but will rise up again, and when is it just someone who has not actually repented but thinking they have, or someone actually losing faith....  I think I am more inclined to agree with you, sis. 
 
 
 
 
Thanks for your answers.
 
 
 
 
I'd like to also ask, what are some of the tell-tale signs of a tare, do you think?



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Blessings Zion.....

     Good morning ,Praise the Lord!   I suppose they do know,I don't say they would know the terminology  'the tare" but I do think that those that oppose God do so willingly,they made their choice.....we are all given a measure of faith,that is that little something that God places in each & every human being that deep down inside we believe in more than ourselves,more than the big-bang theory ,more than some accidental  chain of events that resulted in our solar system,the universe...........a thirst that needs to be quenched & God says that there is no excuse,He is evident in all of His creation....what an individual does to quench that thirst is up to them but I do not think that God does not gi ve every one of His creation the opportunity to know Him & submit to Him......He is Fair & Just,merciful,Loving & Compassionate & He loves us beyond compare.......So ,yeah,I believe that before anyone leaves this world they were given the choice to be a wheat or a tare......

      Can a tare become a wheat,,,,,yes,through Christ Jesus.......      Can a wheat become a tare,sure.....blaspheme the Holy Spirit

                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

It is the Saved & the Unsaved........that is the only 2 people in the Harvest Field



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What I find interesting about this is how Jesus said to let the tares grow with the wheat until harvest. It explains why we have division in the World. The tares are meant to flourish. It is not our job to weed them out. God gives them life too and they grow as well. It explains why the wicked thrive. Only during harvest is there any real separation from the wheat.

To me this is saying that tares can change into wheat, otherwise, why not weed them out earlier? This is because we can't always recognise tares - they may sometimes look just like wheat.

If you had a field of corn and you couldn't tell the good corn from the bad corn, you'd be best to let all of it grow. After the harvest they will show their true identities and then you can  discard the bad stuff. Maybe also the bad stuff can grow healthy and perhaps bad corn will blossom into good corn come harvest time.

To me this is saying that God gives all of us a chance



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Thanks for your responses; I would also like to repeat the question i asked Chloe in my reply to her:

 

What are some of the tell-tale signs of a tare, do you think?

 

I have seen people quite determinedly sow division to isolate a church member from the rest - without directly confronting them if there were a real issue to provoke such a response.  I have a real feeling people are literally praying this person out of their congregation.  I would have thought that we are supposed to confront brethren in love to encourage them into Christ.  This behaviour seems very cruel to me, not at all Christ-like.  Only can truly judge those people's motives, but I know that the enemy is very intent on breaking down the body of Christ, and knows the strength we have against him, especially when we are in unity. 

 

This is just one example, I'm sure there are many others.  What should we be on the look out for?  According to Paul, we are well aware of the dveil's tactics.  Are we?  And what should our response be?



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Matthew 13:24-30

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

Matthew 13:40-43

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

 

 

Questions:

 

Do you think that the tares know that they are tares?  That they are not really of the kingdom of God? That they do damage to the body of Christ? 

I'm not talking about passing judgement over others without the authority to do so; but knowing people by their fruits. 

 

Can a tare turn into wheat?  Can a wheat turn into tare?

 

I think the tares know they are tares, because we all know our spiritual state at any given time-- our conscience bears witness. So, rather, the tares can turn into wheat and the wheat can turn into tares. When God created all things he said "it is good", He sowed good seed, but the enemy has come along and planted seeds of sin in God's creation. God is patient and merciful with the world, waiting for as many of those tares as possible to turn into wheat, before he comes to reap them. 

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9


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Thank you ARose38; someone please also respond to my previous post.  Thank you :)



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Most of the tares that I have seen not only sew discord, they also try to hijack the group. A woman came into our Womans Ministries and after a couple of months invited everyone to her house that was in our small group. She did not clear anything with leadership. Soon she said that she was being ostracised by 2 or 3 that she said were a clique. One lady was was close to her friend who did not even go to our church. They did not treat me that way and I was puzzled. Then she announced that she was starting her own small group table, again without authorization. Her group was quickly absorbed by the pastors wife who is in charge. It was taken care of. It was not long before she and a few other malcontents left the church and started urging people to attend their new church.

Other churches I have attended ignored the problem people and the pastor would mention not wanting to pull the wheat up with the tares. But he ignored it till the man split the church. He actually started his own church, ordaining ministers to his own cult that stayed within the church. The pastor let it go on way too long and that church has not been healthy since then.

Other people came from a known cult and went from church to church, causing division and problems.

I believe that these people consider themselves to be Christians but they have not submitted to Christ as Lord of their lives. The are operating in the flesh rather than the Spirit. Selfish ambitions, violent dissentions (or seditions), herecies, jealousies, and contentions (or quarrels) are listed as works of the flesh in Gal. 5.

All of these people were in some kind of power struggle, and wanted people to follow themselves instead of Christ. They were in no way in submission to the authority structure. I don't consider offering opinions contrary to that of the leadership or other widely held opinions to be not being under authority. Offering other insights are valuable offerings of parts of the body of Christ. That is different than openly challanging the authority of the leadership, or trying to get people to follow themselves, or sewing discontent.

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Thanks for your responses; I would also like to repeat the question i asked Chloe in my reply to her:

 

What are some of the tell-tale signs of a tare, do you think?

 

I think of tares as anyone who is not in a true relationship with God, be they within the churches or in the world, but there are definitely "false brethren" within the churches who may appear to be wheat but are actually tares when you look more closely. As scripture says, "you shall know them by their fruits", and we have the works of darkness and the fruits of the spirit in Galatians 5.

Another verse that comes to mind is 1 Jn. 3:10, "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

 

 

I have seen people quite determinedly sow division to isolate a church member from the rest - without directly confronting them if there were a real issue to provoke such a response.  I have a real feeling people are literally praying this person out of their congregation.  I would have thought that we are supposed to confront brethren in love to encourage them into Christ.  This behaviour seems very cruel to me, not at all Christ-like.  Only can truly judge those people's motives, but I know that the enemy is very intent on breaking down the body of Christ, and knows the strength we have against him, especially when we are in unity. 

 

This is just one example, I'm sure there are many others.  What should we be on the look out for?  According to Paul, we are well aware of the dveil's tactics.  Are we?  And what should our response be?

Yeah, I'm not sure how many churches deal with such situations biblically.

"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican." Matt. 18:15-17

Those are my thoughts. Hope it answers your question!  :biggrin2:
 



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I don't think the tares know they are tares because they don't believe in tares and wheat.  They don't believe in our Savior.  However, there will come a day when they will know.  When that day comes, it will be too late.  I often wonder if  during Judgment day someone I knew on earth will say to me why didn't you tell me about becoming a wheat. 



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Could you give me some examples, sis?

Sure, no problem. :)

 

Romans 16:17, 18

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

Mark 13:22

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

 

2 Peter 2:1

 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

 What are some of the tell-tale signs of a tare, do you think?

I think Willa described a "tare" quite well here....

 

Selfish ambitions, violent dissentions (or seditions), herecies, jealousies, and contentions (or quarrels)

Also, when Jesus explains the parable, He says this....

 

Matthew 13:38

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

 

Which makes me think of this verse....

 

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

So we can see dishonesty's going to play a big role in the make-up of these folks, and also destruction of various kinds, given these are the trademarks of who the Word calls their father.



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So, basically, fleshly minded, fleshly motivated, and seeking their own glory rather than God's.  That makes sense.  Should they be confronted, do you think?  Or just prayed for?



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 Should they be confronted, do you think?  Or just prayed for?

We do have instructions on how to handle conflict in the church...

 

Matthew 18:15

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

 

Such an interesting topic! Thank you for bringing it up, sis. :)



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Thinking about it, it's sure to be quite a hurtful thing to be accused of being a tare when you're not, and if one were, they would surely put up a fight.  I'm not sure I would have the words or wisdom with which to confront such a person.



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Thinking about it, it's sure to be quite a hurtful thing to be accused of being a tare when you're not, and if one were, they would surely put up a fight.  I'm not sure I would have the words or wisdom with which to confront such a person.

I'm not saying they should be accused of being a tare. It says, "...if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault...", which indicates to me that this confrontation should be about the actual sin that was committed, as opposed to labels like "tare".

 

That's my take on it, anyway. :)



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Oh, sorry; I didn't think that's what you were saying at all.  However, that is how these things can be construed.  Sorry for that misunderstanding there. Totally agree, sis :)



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One thing interesting about wheat and tares, you can't tell them appart until they are matured. One bears fruit, the other doesn't.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

By the harvest, it will be more than evident which are wheat and tares. Because the wheat will be clearly seen. My personal view is that the Church is going to be radient with glory at His return and the fruit in the Church will be evident to all.

Another thing to concider, He's coming back for a wedding. What does the bride do before the wedding? A bride that falls into all kinds of harletry and stains her gown isn't fit for our King. He's coming back for an equally yoked bride.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.
 

A Bride equipped to spread the gospel of the Kingdom to all the earth. The gospel of the Kingdom is different from say this prayer and get to heaven. The gospel of the Kingdom is demonstrating the reality of Jesus in power. So I view this as the Church equiped with the power of the Holy Spirit to be a witness to all nations.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.



Now, the Church is growing into maturity and into this thing called "the unity of faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God" into perfection, which the word in the greek also means mature.

Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

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These passages help paint the wheat and tares for me. You can't tell the difference until they are matured, but when they are the difference is obvious. Fruit is the testimony :) I understand this view is alot different from 'Church is going to fail and be decieved, the worlds going to fall apart, and Jesus has to come rescue us before things get really bad' view, but the Church is supposed to be a light on a hill that everyone can see. Jesus called us the light of the world. People are supposed to look at us and see Him. It's twisted and demonic to be encouraged by the failures of the Church because I see it as a signs as Jesus is coming back soon.  A glorious Church that represents Him well is something more worthy to be encouraged about.






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