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Russia and Ukraine - the start of a prophecy?

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Many people believe that Rosh is Russia in the Ezekiel 38 war, but so far this has seemed unlikely as all the other attacking nations appear to be Muslim ones.

However, Russia does have a significant and ever-growing Muslim minority and has experienced a number of problems with aggressive Islamic groups.

With the incorporation of Crimea into Russian territory they will now be importing even more Muslims as I believe that Crimea consists of a large number of Tatars who all Muslims. What's more these Tatars seem keen to become Russian.



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Integration of different ethnic groups seems pivotal as for the one world government, which is a step stone fro Lucifer's master plan of world domination, even when we all know how it is going to end.

 

Russia has played big role many times, yet as of now Islam does not at least directly seem that much of a decisive power in the land of Rus, as it was known before.

 

Which is not to say Islam does not possess a part in the play, yet we need to remember who the puppet master is.

 

The left hand often does not know what the right hand is doing, still both belong to the same body and deceit is the policy the fallen one is applying.

 

They are grouping military power up in the north, was discovered by the Finnish intelligence service recently. As I am planning to move back to my home lands in the north, these kind of things make you think about the future. I am taking no sides in the world policy that much, since I know Satan has already infiltrated many offices world wide, but surely the media hype against Russia hardly is making things move smoothly.

 

I always wondered why living literally underground seemed such a great idea, and during times like these it all makes perfect sense.

 

Is it Russia, hard to say so far. But I know it's all moving forwards by the day.

 

Better seek Him like never before. That's the best thing to do anyway.



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Many people believe that Rosh is Russia in the Ezekiel 38 war, but so far this has seemed unlikely as all the other attacking nations appear to be Muslim ones.
However, Russia does have a significant and ever-growing Muslim minority and has experienced a number of problems with aggressive Islamic groups.
With the incorporation of Crimea into Russian territory they will now be importing even more Muslims as I believe that Crimea consists of a large number of Tatars who all Muslims. What's more these Tatars seem keen to become Russian.


Hi Oakwood,

I don't believe this will lead to WWIII, if that's what you mean, nor do I believe it will fulfill any specific prophecies, other than wars and rumors of wars. I believe the next prophetic war will be the Psalm 83 and/or Isaiah 17 war, which are the nations that are touching Israel's borders. This war may have something to do with the confirming of the covenant and/or beginning of Daniel's 70th week. I have a hunch Israel will again expand her borders and later the Gog Magog nations alignment will sneak in to take a spoil.

Ezekiel 38/39 will come later and none of the nations that come against Israel in the Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 war will be involved in the Ezekiel war, for those nations extend further out from the inner ring nations. I believe the Ezek.38 war will be the great tribulation, which will be followed by Armageddon.

Cheers

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Many people believe that Rosh is Russia in the Ezekiel 38 war, but so far this has seemed unlikely as all the other attacking nations appear to be Muslim ones.
However, Russia does have a significant and ever-growing Muslim minority and has experienced a number of problems with aggressive Islamic groups.
With the incorporation of Crimea into Russian territory they will now be importing even more Muslims as I believe that Crimea consists of a large number of Tatars who all Muslims. What's more these Tatars seem keen to become Russian.


Hi Oakwood,

I don't believe this will lead to WWIII, if that's what you mean, nor do I believe it will fulfill any specific prophecies, other than wars and rumors of wars. I believe the next prophetic war will be the Psalm 83 and/or Isaiah 17 war, which are the nations that are touching Israel's borders. This war may have something to do with the confirming of the covenant and/or beginning of Daniel's 70th week. I have a hunch Israel will again expand her borders and later the Gog Magog nations alignment will sneak in to take a spoil.

Ezekiel 38/39 will come later and none of the nations that come against Israel in the Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 war will be involved in the Ezekiel war, for those nations extend further out from the inner ring nations. I believe the Ezek.38 war will be the great tribulation, which will be followed by Armageddon.

Cheers

 

 

Thanks. I didn't believe that the Crimea incident was the start of WW3. I just thought that it might be a shift in demographics that may ultimate lead to it (or something like it).



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Many people believe that Rosh is Russia in the Ezekiel 38 war, but so far this has seemed unlikely as all the other attacking nations appear to be Muslim ones.However, Russia does have a significant and ever-growing Muslim minority and has experienced a number of problems with aggressive Islamic groups.With the incorporation of Crimea into Russian territory they will now be importing even more Muslims as I believe that Crimea consists of a large number of Tatars who all Muslims. What's more these Tatars seem keen to become Russian.

Hi Oakwood,I don't believe this will lead to WWIII, if that's what you mean, nor do I believe it will fulfill any specific prophecies, other than wars and rumors of wars. I believe the next prophetic war will be the Psalm 83 and/or Isaiah 17 war, which are the nations that are touching Israel's borders. This war may have something to do with the confirming of the covenant and/or beginning of Daniel's 70th week. I have a hunch Israel will again expand her borders and later the Gog Magog nations alignment will sneak in to take a spoil.Ezekiel 38/39 will come later and none of the nations that come against Israel in the Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 war will be involved in the Ezekiel war, for those nations extend further out from the inner ring nations. I believe the Ezek.38 war will be the great tribulation, which will be followed by Armageddon.Cheers

The psalm 83 war has been a recent catch by prophecy experts, am I correct in saying this? I can't recall too many experts finding end time prophecy from the book of psalms.

Nevertheless, it makes sense to see Israel expand it's borders and eliminate its closest enemies by wiping out Damascus to start with. I find it hard to believe the world will just sit back and watch this happen without a very harsh response from the big boys. (Russia, Iran, Egypt) Not sure what to think here if Israel wipes out a city like Damascus prophesied in Isaiah 17.

Now, Ezekiel 38 says Israel is living in safety just before this war, so, for Israel to be in safety, it seems to me like one of two things have to happen:
1. Psalm 83 war does occur and Israel does win convincingly and world response is minimal (not sure how this could be possible)
2. Some kind of peace treaty with enemies.

Thoughts?

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Many people believe that Rosh is Russia in the Ezekiel 38 war, but so far this has seemed unlikely as all the other attacking nations appear to be Muslim ones.However, Russia does have a significant and ever-growing Muslim minority and has experienced a number of problems with aggressive Islamic groups.With the incorporation of Crimea into Russian territory they will now be importing even more Muslims as I believe that Crimea consists of a large number of Tatars who all Muslims. What's more these Tatars seem keen to become Russian.

Hi Oakwood,I don't believe this will lead to WWIII, if that's what you mean, nor do I believe it will fulfill any specific prophecies, other than wars and rumors of wars. I believe the next prophetic war will be the Psalm 83 and/or Isaiah 17 war, which are the nations that are touching Israel's borders. This war may have something to do with the confirming of the covenant and/or beginning of Daniel's 70th week. I have a hunch Israel will again expand her borders and later the Gog Magog nations alignment will sneak in to take a spoil.Ezekiel 38/39 will come later and none of the nations that come against Israel in the Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 war will be involved in the Ezekiel war, for those nations extend further out from the inner ring nations. I believe the Ezek.38 war will be the great tribulation, which will be followed by Armageddon.Cheers

The psalm 83 war has been a recent catch by prophecy experts, am I correct in saying this? I can't recall too many experts finding end time prophecy from the book of psalms.

Nevertheless, it makes sense to see Israel expand it's borders and eliminate its closest enemies by wiping out Damascus to start with. I find it hard to believe the world will just sit back and watch this happen without a very harsh response from the big boys. (Russia, Iran, Egypt) Not sure what to think here if Israel wipes out a city like Damascus prophesied in Isaiah 17.

Now, Ezekiel 38 says Israel is living in safety just before this war, so, for Israel to be in safety, it seems to me like one of two things have to happen:
1. Psalm 83 war does occur and Israel does win convincingly and world response is minimal (not sure how this could be possible)
2. Some kind of peace treaty with enemies.

Thoughts?

 

 

One possibility is that Psalm 83 damages the economies of  many Muslim nations and because the U.S.A. at this time will probably be weak, there is insufficient interest or capability to generate a huge Global response. Israel will be left alone to flourish. Don't forget too that Damascus may have been nuked.

Also, Israel (I believe) is due to grow in economic power (possibly because of oil). For a time, Israel will be almost untouchable, but waiting in the wings are angry Muslims (for example, the Shia of Iran).

Maybe Sunni and Shia will be finally united for one last push against Israel and then Ezekiel 38 comes into play. I have a tendency to think that this may be the case because Ezekiel tells us that when the invasion starts to go horribly wrong, they turn against each other - something that Sunni and Shia have a habit of doing. They always blame each other whenever they can.



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One possibility is that Psalm 83 damages the economies of  many Muslim nations

 

and because the U.S.A. at this time will probably be weak,

 

there is insufficient interest or capability to generate a huge Global response.

 

Israel will be left alone to flourish.

 

Don't forget too that Damascus may have been nuked.

 

Also, Israel (I believe) is due to grow in economic power (possibly because of oil).

 

For a time, Israel will be almost untouchable, but waiting in the wings are angry Muslims (for example, the Shia of Iran).

 

Maybe Sunni and Shia will be finally united for one last push against Israel and then Ezekiel 38 comes into play.

 

I have a tendency to think that this may be the case because Ezekiel tells us that when the invasion starts to go horribly wrong,

 

they turn against each other - something that Sunni and Shia have a habit of doing.

 

They always blame each other whenever they can.

 

:thumbsup:

 

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. Ezekiel 38:21



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The psalm 83 war has been a recent catch by prophecy experts, am I correct in saying this? I can't recall too many experts finding end time prophecy from the book of psalms.

Nevertheless, it makes sense to see Israel expand it's borders and eliminate its closest enemies by wiping out Damascus to start with. I find it hard to believe the world will just sit back and watch this happen without a very harsh response from the big boys. (Russia, Iran, Egypt) Not sure what to think here if Israel wipes out a city like Damascus prophesied in Isaiah 17.

Now, Ezekiel 38 says Israel is living in safety just before this war, so, for Israel to be in safety, it seems to me like one of two things have to happen:
1. Psalm 83 war does occur and Israel does win convincingly and world response is minimal (not sure how this could be possible)
2. Some kind of peace treaty with enemies.

Thoughts?

 


Hey Spockster!

The Psalm 83 war has been known by scholars for quite a while now. The problem is knowing when it will happen.  **  There are several prophecies found in the Psalms.  Psalm 22 foretells the crucifixion of Christ.

 

I think it's hard to know how the world will respond, especially when we don't know the cause of this war or if Israel will be provoked or not.  The safety of Israel will probably come after the Psalm 83 war.  It may be from arrangements made within the seven year covenant.  They are already discussing possibly using UN or NATO security forces in the peace settlement. 

 

I could imagine that after Israel is victorious, they may gain more land, possibly taking total control of the Temple mount as well.  Then they could rebuild the Temple and resume daily sacrifices, which we know will be stopped during the abomination of desolation. 

 

Cheers



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Rt,

I'm speculating Israel will be provoked and the world will accept their response (nuking Damascus?) as being understandable.

Gulp! I still have a hard time writing this, and I still don't get how this could happen, but......

Stay tuned.

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Yet the war of Psa 83 may be the war of Daniel 11:21-35.  Antiochus IV Epiphanes the Syrian king and his attack on Israel when they felt secure.

 

Just a thought.

 

In Christ

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Yet the war of Psa 83 may be the war of Daniel 11:21-35.  Antiochus IV Epiphanes the Syrian king and his attack on Israel when they felt secure.
 
Just a thought.
 
In Christ
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Please explain.
Do you see those countries in psalm 83 correspond to the Seleucid v Ptolemy countries of 2nd century BC?

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Yet the war of Psa 83 may be the war of Daniel 11:21-35.  Antiochus IV Epiphanes the Syrian king and his attack on Israel when they felt secure.
 
Just a thought.
 
In Christ
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Please explain.
Do you see those countries in psalm 83 correspond to the Seleucid v Ptolemy countries of 2nd century BC?

 

Spock

 

Philistia is the Western portion of Israel,  presently it is occupied by Jews.  Amalek is the Southern portion of Judah where Kadesh-Barnea is,  Jewish occupied territory now.  Unless there are Jews fighting Jews (present day) which will not happen, this maybe the event of Daniel 11:21.

 

With cunning they conspire against your people (Psa 83:3)....  He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue, (Dan 11:21)   Intrigue and cunning have similar meanings.

 

In Christ

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One possibility is that Psalm 83 damages the economies of  many Muslim nations

 

and because the U.S.A. at this time will probably be weak,

 

there is insufficient interest or capability to generate a huge Global response.

 

Israel will be left alone to flourish.

 

Don't forget too that Damascus may have been nuked.

 

Also, Israel (I believe) is due to grow in economic power (possibly because of oil).

 

For a time, Israel will be almost untouchable, but waiting in the wings are angry Muslims (for example, the Shia of Iran).

 

Maybe Sunni and Shia will be finally united for one last push against Israel and then Ezekiel 38 comes into play.

 

I have a tendency to think that this may be the case because Ezekiel tells us that when the invasion starts to go horribly wrong,

 

they turn against each other - something that Sunni and Shia have a habit of doing.

 

They always blame each other whenever they can.

 

:thumbsup:

 

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. Ezekiel 38:21

 

 

Islam was conceived by the Ishmaelites and Ishmael was known for his similar behaviour:

 

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

 

Genesis 16



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Gog needs the Ukraine as part of the new Russian empire. Its a key piece in the puzzle.



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Gog needs the Ukraine as part of the new Russian empire. Its a key piece in the puzzle.

Welcome Lujack, good to see you here, i see you in other forums and seek out your views and information.

God Bless you



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I'd just like to point out something that Putin said last year. Do you believe him? If what he says is genuine then he is doing more than the current U.S. admin is to speak out in defence of Christians.

 

http://rt.com/politi...resistance-584/

 

The rights of religious minorities, including Christians, are being infringed all over the planet and humanity must take measures to stop such instances, Vladimir Putin said at the meeting with Orthodox Christian leaders in Moscow.

In many of the World’s regions, especially in the Middle East and in North Africa inter-confessional tensions are mounting and the rights of religious minorities are infringed, including Christians and Orthodox Christians,” the Russian President noted, adding that such conflicts could lead to the most serious consequences.

Putin called for immediate measures to prevent such situations.



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To try to fit the current headlines into the Bible is precarious, though who would not see Israel's return to the land as fulfilling prophecy. I won't be surprised to see Russia make a resurgence as the leader of the Eastern leg of the Roman Empire (Daniel 2). Now Mr. Putin is a professing Christian, Russian orthodox I believe. I could see Russia becoming a professed Christian nation, as it was under the Czars. How would Americans view it if Russian completely outlawed baby-murder and sodomy and enforced the laws? How would Americans view it when hearing a Russian ambassador in the UN denouncing western countries for violation of the human right to life? I don't see any connection with Ezekiel 38-39, which I think takes place in Daniel's 70th week. I suspect that the Beast will take credit for destroying the Russian invasion leading to the refrain, "Who can stand vs the Beast?" We can always speculate about how current events might connect to the "tribulation" of course.

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A nation's leader professing faith should not be necessarily seen as the ultimate proof of actually practicing that faith. They will say anything people are willing to hear, to make them accept the other things.

 

Even though it's God pulling the strings in the long run, the current era in this world is ruled by the anti-christ. But individually we can make the Jesus our Lord which of course makes a huge different about which forces are ruling in our lives.






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