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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong,iam open to correction,A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire,do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth,I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas,is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men.some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

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Hello brother Jerry, can I ask you ...What do you think? As you mention what others think - church pastors Etc...So I am asking what you think ? 

 

Love & Blessings S



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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong,iam open to correction,A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire,do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth,I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas,is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men.some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

Is wine only fermented or are there non alcoholic wine ?



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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong,iam open to correction,A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire,do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth,I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas,is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men.some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

Christmas is pagan and a lot of Christians know that yet they still celebrate it 



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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong

You are correct. Denominations are not from God, but man.
 

A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire

Nobody know who will or will not be saved. There are some so called "Christians" that are in danger, but to say they are going to end up in hell is not for me to say.
 

some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth

I did not even know about God when I saw my first Christmas. The bible tells us in Romans 14:5-6
 

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.


If that day is to remember the birth of Christ or His death, doe sit matter which day that is on? The Jehovah Witnesses are the only group I know of who teach this.
 

some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.


Funny, scripture tells us in 1 Timothy 5:23 to drink a little wine for stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities. Again, be careful of legalism in certain cases.

I highly suggest studying personal bible study for you to discover what scripture itself tells you. You can find some topical studies at Bible.org.



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I believe in the eyes of God, there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ, i may be right or wrong, i am open to correction, A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire, do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas, they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical, and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth, I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas, is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men. some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol, why some encourage it, because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine. what do you think.

 

Christmas is pagan and a lot of Christians know that yet they still celebrate it 

 

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A Christian Worships

 

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

 

The Christ With All

 

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mark 12:30

 

He Has

 

Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Psalms 103:1

 

And Pagans

 

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

 

And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them,

 

Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

 

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

 

And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

 

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

 

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Luke 2:8-14

 

Won't

 

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Matthew 2:1-2



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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong,iam open to correction,A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire,do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth,I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas,is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men.some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

 

 

 

Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus and and in Him alone.  Salvation is not based on whether or not you celebrate Christmas or what traditions you choose to participate in or not.   For someone to say that people are going to hell for celebrating Christmas is nothing but false doctrine.  That preacher is teaching salvation by works and he is preaching a false gospel.



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shiloh's right. religion is no more than fear mongering, salvation is a one time deal. love is love, and perfect love will never fail you, and that's what the born again christian signed up for when he gave his/her life to Christ. (1 Cor 13:4-8 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.)

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

..and once you're saved it is finished, has nothing to do with keeping up with religious tradition and has everything to do with what's in your heart and your belief in who Jesus is.



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Hello brother Jerry, can I ask you ...What do you think? As you mention what others think - church pastors Etc...So I am asking what you think ?

Love & Blessings S

God bless you,my dear"the bible says in the multitude of counsellors there is safty,i agree with the preach,some of us will go to hell fire because of church doctrine,every genuine born again need a godly mentor,"thouhg" the bible is our best mentor,i was only seeking for godly opinion,my bible told me not to lean on my own understanding,some of know the truth,but we refuse to follow or obey the truth.

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Hmmm!! I believe God directed me to this site,to learn and to be nurture and to help my spiritual growth,one on one iam not the talking type,iam more of an introvert,slow of speech,hardly speaks eloguently,but when ever I sign in on this site,I feel free to ask question,and i have come to understand that everything about my country is different over here,in my church,alcohol is a taboo,in my country,christian can take alcohol,but born again,no way,how can an unbeliever will be taking alcohol,what is the difference,i believe abstainence from alcohol is a self devotion to God,i use to take it before,but i recieved a divine instruction from God to stop taking it,I stop without second thought,there where some people that were instructed in the bible not to taste strong drink.above all, this site has really been a wonderful blessing to me,God doesn't make mistake.

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Hello brother Jerry, can I ask you ...What do you think? As you mention what others think - church pastors Etc...So I am asking what you think ?

Love & Blessings S

God bless you,my dear"the bible says in the multitude of counsellors there is safty,i agree with the preach,some of us will go to hell fire because of church doctrine,every genuine born again need a godly mentor,"thouhg" the bible is our best mentor,i was only seeking for godly opinion,my bible told me not to lean on my own understanding,some of know the truth,but we refuse to follow or obey the truth.

 

Hello Dearest brother Jerry

 

How wonderful that you are wanting to get things right in your walk with God...thats truely a great start with your spiritual journey.

 

I think it is great to voice your opinion in your own way, then people can reach out to you and try to help you find the answers that you seek. I love how you speak from your heart, that is a lovely gift in itself you know, God loves that communication with his beloved children.....

 

I always know who to ask in order for them to teach me scriptures brother, they will always be gentle people and never push me to do anything that I do not understand. That is what God taught me, the people who are gentle in spirit are my true followers, for they have been obedient to my words. 

 

Man did not teach me to get close to Gods heart, Jesus did, it was so beautiful and painful at times too, as I had to believe in something I could not see.....quite hard for human beings...I was guided to the bible and scriptures and each time I studied what Jesus wanted me to learn, I hope I am making sense to you? 

 

I was in a church, but I did not understand the teaching at all, so I was feeling desperate to learn just as you are it would seem? I am gathering that your churches are limited brother and doctrine is quite harsh ? So I suggest that you maybe look to find a kind person to help and guide you within your fellowship...Pray and ask God for a helper, thats what I do and God never lets me down..... :clap:

 

Love & Blessings Sis Agape  :wub:



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Hmmm!! I believe God directed me to this site,to learn and to be nurture and to help my spiritual growth,one on one iam not the talking type,iam more of an introvert,slow of speech,hardly speaks eloguently,but when ever I sign in on this site,I feel free to ask question,and i have come to understand that everything about my country is different over here,in my church,alcohol is a taboo,in my country,christian can take alcohol,but born again,no way,how can an unbeliever will be taking alcohol,what is the difference,i believe abstainence from alcohol is a self devotion to God,i use to take it before,but i recieved a divine instruction from God to stop taking it,I stop without second thought,there where some people that were instructed in the bible not to taste strong drink.above all, this site has really been a wonderful blessing to me,God doesn't make mistake.

Hello brother....

 

http://www.gotquesti...in-alcohol.html

 

Hope that you will find your answer......

 

Love & Blessings Sis Agape  :wub:



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God bless you"sister Agpelove" with what i have seen and read in the bible,some passage did not speak good about alcohol while some do,bible did not out rightly forbid christian from talking it,the first man on earth that drink alcohol,cursed his son,after set and done,Genesis 9:20-25" I use to take it before,and when ever i did,i will become extrovert,when it clear from my eyes i will become an introvert,God spoke to me in a dreamed through His word,proverbs 23:30-35" immediately i woke up from my sleep,i picked my bible and open it,after reading it,I ask God to grant me the grace to quit.and God did,since that very day being 20th of August 2013"i has never taste it again,everything i need to learn concerning spiritual matter is in the bible,and i believe there are some people that are more knowledgeable than me,when it comes to spiritual matter,when ever i need spiritual help i usually run to this site,because the voice of man is the voice of God,I just believe that,abstinence from alcohol is an expression of devotion to God.I really like the site you link me to.I appreciate.

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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong,iam open to correction,A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire,do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth,I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas,is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men.some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

You mentioned two things that seem to concern you.  Nobody has to celebrate Christmas.  Nobody has to avoid a celebration of Christmas.  The Bible doesn't say one way or the other, so follow your own conscience.  As for alcohol.  Jesus turned water into wine, and we know he drank wine.  The Bible never says it is sinful to drink alcohol unless it is in excess.  Drunkenness is what is sinful.  It was asked if there is non-alcoholic wine.  There is, but in order to make it non-alcoholic, you have to first ferment it and then remove the alcohol.  There is no way I believe they did that in Bible times, so what I would say to you in that regard is if you have a problem with drinking, don't drink.  If you are ok with it in moderation, and want to drink, go for it, but be careful that it doesn't overtake you.  Drunkenness will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven. 



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Hmmm!! I believe God directed me to this site,to learn and to be nurture and to help my spiritual growth,one on one iam not the talking type,iam more of an introvert,slow of speech,hardly speaks eloguently,but when ever I sign in on this site,I feel free to ask question,and i have come to understand that everything about my country is different over here,in my church,alcohol is a taboo,in my country,christian can take alcohol,but born again,no way,how can an unbeliever will be taking alcohol,what is the difference,i believe abstainence from alcohol is a self devotion to God,i use to take it before,but i recieved a divine instruction from God to stop taking it,I stop without second thought,there where some people that were instructed in the bible not to taste strong drink.above all, this site has really been a wonderful blessing to me,God doesn't make mistake.

If God told you not to drink any alcohol, you need to listen to him.  What can be ok for one person may not be for another.  Never let anyone talk you into violating your own conscience. 



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People that think they can follow any traditions whenever they want are in for a big surprise.

Following God's appointed Holydays versus man's concocted days of worship is not works-it's obedience to His commandments for a special purpose.

there is enough in the Bible to show us that it does matter to God that He expects us to follow and worship Him in spirit and truth-not in corrupted, vile practices rooted in worship of other gods.

Taking unauthorized liberty to do things such as altering God's instructions for worship and honor is sinful.

How many warnings in the Bible do we need?

We live in an age with our technology and research capable of dissecting every idol based tradition known today, so we have no excuse to fabricate theories why and when we can keep them.

We cannot serve two masters.

We cannot embrace two competing systems of worship.

By what authority did we change the days we observe when only God has the divine privilege to sanctify something.

Don't let false teachers twist scripture to suit their agenda and make changes according to their view.

However some people reason or rationalize the observances and celebrations we blindly follow, God makes it clear we must follow His directions and commandments about His days and forms of worship.

We can choose the feast days instituted by God or the holidays substituted by men.

It's your choice.


Edited by fruitfull77, 22 March 2014 - 01:15 PM.


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I believe in the eyes of God,there is only one church,that is church of Jesus Christ,i may be right or wrong,iam open to correction,A preacher said that because of church doctrine and tradition of men,many christian will go to hell fire,do you guys agree with him,some christian doesn't celebrate christmas,they said Jesus was not born on 25th, and beside it is not biblical,and Christ did not ask us to celebrate His birth,I want to ask is it a must that every christian must celebrate christmas,is celebrating christmas biblical or tradition of men.some church said that it is not good for a christian to drink alcohol,why some encourage it,because the first miracle Jesus perform on earth,was turning water to wine.what do you think.

You mentioned two things that seem to concern you.  Nobody has to celebrate Christmas.  Nobody has to avoid a celebration of Christmas.  The Bible doesn't say one way or the other, so follow your own conscience.  As for alcohol.  Jesus turned water into wine, and we know he drank wine.  The Bible never says it is sinful to drink alcohol unless it is in excess.  Drunkenness is what is sinful.  It was asked if there is non-alcoholic wine.  There is, but in order to make it non-alcoholic, you have to first ferment it and then remove the alcohol.  There is no way I believe they did that in Bible times, so what I would say to you in that regard is if you have a problem with drinking, don't drink.  If you are ok with it in moderation, and want to drink, go for it, but be careful that it doesn't overtake you.  Drunkenness will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven. 

 

Did Jesus drink alcoholic wine for the Lords Supper ?



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People that think they can follow any traditions whenever they want are in for a big surprise.

Following God's appointed Holydays versus man's concocted days of worship is not works-it's obedience to His commandments for a special purpose.

there is enough in the Bible to show us that it does matter to God that He expects us to follow and worship Him in spirit and truth-not in corrupted, vile practices rooted in worship of other gods.

Taking unauthorized liberty to do things such as altering God's instructions for worship and honor is sinful.

How many warnings in the Bible do we need?

We live in an age with our technology and research capable of dissecting every idol based tradition known today, so we have no excuse to fabricate theories why and when we can keep them.

We cannot serve two masters.

We cannot embrace two competing systems of worship.

By what authority did we change the days we observe when only God has the divine privilege to sanctify something.

Don't let false teachers twist scripture to suit their agenda and make changes according to their view.

However some people reason or rationalize the observances and celebrations we blindly follow, God makes it clear we must follow His directions and commandments about His days and forms of worship.

We can choose the feast days instituted by God or the holidays substituted by men.

It's your choice.

What feast days do you celebrate and why ?



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I thought it might be obvious since God did not institute or command idol worshiping pagan holidays.

But up first for this time of year-Passover and the Feast of Unleavened bread.

 

Why?- to honor God in the way He wants to be worshiped-" in spirit and truth " not in vain.

Also to follow the example of Jesus Christ and the apostles of the early church.

by following them we get a better understanding of God's ultimate plan for humanity.

God's sacred holy days have far much more significance than any man made customs. 

What reasons can you give for not keeping God ordained festivals?



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People that think they can follow any traditions whenever they want are in for a big surprise.

Following God's appointed Holydays versus man's concocted days of worship is not works-it's obedience to His commandments for a special purpose.

there is enough in the Bible to show us that it does matter to God that He expects us to follow and worship Him in spirit and truth-not in corrupted, vile practices rooted in worship of other gods.

Taking unauthorized liberty to do things such as altering God's instructions for worship and honor is sinful.

How many warnings in the Bible do we need?

We live in an age with our technology and research capable of dissecting every idol based tradition known today, so we have no excuse to fabricate theories why and when we can keep them.

We cannot serve two masters.

We cannot embrace two competing systems of worship.

By what authority did we change the days we observe when only God has the divine privilege to sanctify something.

Don't let false teachers twist scripture to suit their agenda and make changes according to their view.

However some people reason or rationalize the observances and celebrations we blindly follow, God makes it clear we must follow His directions and commandments about His days and forms of worship.

We can choose the feast days instituted by God or the holidays substituted by men.

It's your choice.

The problem with what you are saying is that God never forbids us to observe days he didn't institute as holidays.  There is nothing in scripture that says I cannot celebrate someone's birthday.  There is nothing that says I cannot celebrate the 4th of July in remembrance of the beginning of this great nation.  There is likewise nothing in scripture that says I cannot celebrate the day Jesus was born or the day he rose from the dead.  The fact some heathens celebrate idols on a particular day doesn't defile the day.  This is the day that the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it.  That can be said every single day, including December 25. 






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