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Should 'Cosmos' give more airtime to creationists?


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from IBT:

"Fox’s 'Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey,' hosted by American astrophysicist and author Neil deGrasse Tyson, has come under fire from creationists who say the science series is biased against creationist theories about the origin of the universe. They say the hit show, a reboot of Carl Sagan’s popular 1980s documentary series 'Cosmos: A Personal Voyage,' should give more airtime to creationists.

During an interview with Right Wing Watch, Danny Faulkner, a creationist and astronomy professor from the Christian non-profit organization Answers in Genesis, said the show is biased against creationist scientists and that there are plenty of scientists who consider creationism a valid theory for how Earth came to be.

"'Creationists aren’t even on the radar screen for them, they wouldn’t even consider us plausible at all,' Faulkner told Right Wing Watch’s Janet Mefferd in response to her asking if 'Cosmos' producers 'ever give creationists some time ...'"

http://www.ibtimes.c...-series-1563062

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.... During an interview with Right Wing Watch, Danny Faulkner, a creationist and astronomy professor from the Christian non-profit organization Answers in Genesis, said the show is biased against creationist scientists and that there are plenty of scientists who consider creationism a valid theory for how Earth came to be.

"'Creationists aren’t even on the radar screen for them, they wouldn’t even consider us plausible at all,' Faulkner told Right Wing Watch’s Janet Mefferd in response to her asking if 'Cosmos' producers 'ever give creationists some time ...'" http://www.ibtimes.c...-series-1563062

 

 

Should 'Cosmos' give more airtime to creationists?

 

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It Seems

 

And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart. Jeremiah 18:12

 

Earth Lovers Can't

 

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

 

Yet Jesus Loves Them

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

And Still He Calls Out To All Men

 

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17



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It is a TV show, it is giving what it thinks the target audience wants.  If the producers of the show thought there was a large enough audience of YECers then I am sure they would be glad to add it in.  If AIG wants more air time they can make their own show and see how it does.



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Yeah I refused to watch it because I don't like being lied to. 

 

Christian shows and movies get higher ratings and make more money and finally Hollywood is coming around to that fact. 



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Not All T.V. Shows

 

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:2-4

 

Are

 

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

 

Equal

 

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9

 

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It is a TV show, it is giving what it thinks the target audience wants. 

 

If the producers of the show thought there was a large enough audience of YECers then I am sure they would be glad to add it in. 

 

If AIG wants more air time they can make their own show and see how it does.

 

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Beloved The Largest Audience For Fox IS The Bible Believer

 

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3

 

Yet Fox T.V. Continues To Play Them

 

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2 Peter 2:1-3

 

Ever Wonder Why

 

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18



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from IBT:

"Fox’s 'Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey,' hosted by American astrophysicist and author Neil deGrasse Tyson, has come under fire from creationists who say the science series is biased against creationist theories about the origin of the universe. They say the hit show, a reboot of Carl Sagan’s popular 1980s documentary series 'Cosmos: A Personal Voyage,' should give more airtime to creationists.

During an interview with Right Wing Watch, Danny Faulkner, a creationist and astronomy professor from the Christian non-profit organization Answers in Genesis, said the show is biased against creationist scientists and that there are plenty of scientists who consider creationism a valid theory for how Earth came to be.

"'Creationists aren’t even on the radar screen for them, they wouldn’t even consider us plausible at all,' Faulkner told Right Wing Watch’s Janet Mefferd in response to her asking if 'Cosmos' producers 'ever give creationists some time ...'"

http://www.ibtimes.c...-series-1563062

 

 

I DVR'd this show and forgot about it.  Then when I saw your message....I Camera Actioned it.

 

This is a Vaudeville Type Skit.  I'll save this until I get back and invite friends over for Comedy Night @ The Ritz!!

 

Thanks for the Reminder :thumbsup:



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No, it is a science show.



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No, it is a science show.


So should Christians give more airtime time to evolutionists?

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No, it is a science show.


So should Christians give more airtime time to evolutionists?

 

I would think it would depend on the topic of the program.



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No, it is a science show.


So should Christians give more airtime time to evolutionists?
I would think it would depend on the topic of the program.
Any topic on the fallacy of evolution or the Big Bang theory minus God? Because that's what the Cosmos series does. It eliminates God from the equation. That's ok for the producers and unbelievers. But the moment God is mentioned it's a problem?

One cannot have ones cake and eat it as the old proverb goes....

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No, it is a science show.


So should Christians give more airtime time to evolutionists?
I would think it would depend on the topic of the program.
Any topic on the fallacy of evolution or the Big Bang theory minus God? Because that's what the Cosmos series does. It eliminates God from the equation. That's ok for the producers and unbelievers. But the moment God is mentioned it's a problem?

One cannot have ones cake and eat it as the old proverb goes....

 

If creationists are going to talk about evolution, then yes, it might be a good idea to include experts.  If creationists are going to talk about God and their creation myth, then evolution and big bang might be included to add context. 

 

I watched the first episode of Cosmos, and creationism was included in an animation in the form of an early scientist being burned at the stake for going against the church (careful what you wish for...). 

 

If Cosmos should include creationism, where does it stop?  Should they include all creation myths?



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Can someone explain the difference between creationism and that which is being communicated on the show?  Is creationism 6-day creationism (YEC) or is creationism merely ascribing the origins of the Universe (i.e. Big Bang) to a God.  If the latter, then I would say no.  That is a theological/philosophical question.

 

Even if it were the first, I would still say no, because that is an exegetical question.  However, the show should recognize any scientific evidence that does not support the Big BAng, or evolution, or whatever is assumed.  But it must do this on scientific grounds, not Biblical.

 

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 I watched the first episode of Cosmos, and creationism was included in an animation in the form of an early scientist being burned at the stake for going against the church (careful what you wish for...). 

 

 

 

 

I also don't think science shows should include history.  Rarely are they based on reliable historical data; scientists are not historians of science.

 

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 I watched the first episode of Cosmos, and creationism was included in an animation in the form of an early scientist being burned at the stake for going against the church (careful what you wish for...). 

 

 

 

 

I also don't think science shows should include history.  Rarely are they based on reliable historical data; scientists are not historians of science.

 

clb

 

 

For the Cosmos show, it was in context.  There is a history of science.  For centuries, the church asserted the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbited it.  People were killed for bringing forward observational data that contracted the church.  We couldn't actually learn about our universe until that bias was overcome.



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 I watched the first episode of Cosmos, and creationism was included in an animation in the form of an early scientist being burned at the stake for going against the church (careful what you wish for...). 

 

 

 

 

I also don't think science shows should include history.  Rarely are they based on reliable historical data; scientists are not historians of science.

 

clb

 

 

For the Cosmos show, it was in context.  There is a history of science.  For centuries, the church asserted the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbited it.  People were killed for bringing forward observational data that contracted the church.  We couldn't actually learn about our universe until that bias was overcome.

 

 

 

Do you suppose that bias would reverse engineer itself so that God might get equal consideration?

 

The 'church' did not act on God's behalf much of the time if we examine history and are versed in the 66 books known collectively as the Bible.

 

Bias often seems to be the indicator of ignorance in opposing views.

 

But who would admit to that................

 

 

ps:  I'm not understanding why believers would expect this program or any other of this nature to support what they believe

 

 

I'm part of the 'they' but I see no reason to boycott or ignore or have expecations or input into something that was never intended to be a vehicle for faith

 

Speaking of faith, I don't think it's a far stretch to be surprised at the faith of many scientests



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Do you suppose that bias would reverse engineer itself so that God might get equal consideration?

 

 

Science advanced exponentially when it went from being a philosophical pursuit to the scientific method of today.  A big part of that was taking anything metaphysical out of the equation.  Why would we want to take a step back to people being burned at the stake for going against the bible and bleeding people to release the "bad Humors"? 



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ps:  I'm not understanding why believers would expect this program or any other of this nature to support what they believe

 

 

I'm part of the 'they' but I see no reason to boycott or ignore or have expecations or input into something that was never intended to be a vehicle for faith

 

Speaking of faith, I don't think it's a far stretch to be surprised at the faith of many scientests

 

I agree with all of this.



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 I watched the first episode of Cosmos, and creationism was included in an animation in the form of an early scientist being burned at the stake for going against the church (careful what you wish for...). 

 

 

 

 

I also don't think science shows should include history.  Rarely are they based on reliable historical data; scientists are not historians of science.

 

clb

 

 

For the Cosmos show, it was in context.  There is a history of science.  For centuries, the church asserted the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbited it.  People were killed for bringing forward observational data that contracted the church.  We couldn't actually learn about our universe until that bias was overcome.

 

I agree (I think you already know this) that it was the sciences which forced the Church to rethink its model.  But the relations between scientists and the Church are often misconstrued and over simplified.  I do not know the case of Bruno.  But the popular story line fed to us of the Galileo trial is quite ridiculous.  It was not merely that Galileo suggested heliocentricism (Copernicus did the same!).  It was that he introduced it as a fact, as opposed to a theory, and expected things to change over night.  The Pope at the time was actually fond of Galileo; he asked that Galileo also represent the Ptolemaic model.  Galileo published a dialogue in which he had a character that was clearly the Pope support the Ptolemaic model, and made him look like an idiot.  There is much more to the story.

 

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Do you suppose that bias would reverse engineer itself so that God might get equal consideration?

 

 

Science advanced exponentially when it went from being a philosophical pursuit to the scientific method of today.  A big part of that was taking anything metaphysical out of the equation.  Why would we want to take a step back to people being burned at the stake for going against the bible and bleeding people to release the "bad Humors"? 

 

 

 

Hmmm...you may have missed the rest of that thought?

 

The 'church' did not act on God's behalf much of the time if we examine history and are versed in the 66 books known collectively as the Bible.

 

Bias often seems to be the indicator of ignorance in opposing views.

 

But who would admit to that................



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  The Pope at the time was actually fond of Galileo; he asked that Galileo also represent the Ptolemaic model.  

 

Sounds eerily familiar...like the "teach the controversy" of the ID/Creationist movement.  Again, do we want to go backward.






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