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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.

 

Cheers ~



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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.
 
Cheers ~


If you are destined to travel it - it is a hard road back.
Be good to your self.
God bless

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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.
 
Cheers ~

God knows your heart, and that's what really matters.

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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.

 

Cheers ~

So why are you here?



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If you truely don't believe now, you never truely did in the first place. If you truely believed in the first place, than you are simply in denial and are still saved whether you like it or not. As Fez said, only GOD knows your heart. Good luck.



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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.

 

Cheers ~

So why are you here?

 

 

Worthy is a Ministry.

 

We have believers, non-believers and seekers, all are welcome if they follow the TOS Rules  :thumbsup:

 

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We are born of the Almighty God...The Old is passed away and all things have become new....We can walk completely and wholly in the Holy Spirit...lets remember what we have been called into....

Love & Blessings Sis Agape  :wub:



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As someone asked, what made you decide you wanted no part of Jesus or eternity? Did you accept Jesus as your Saviour? 



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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.

 

Cheers ~

 

:emot-heartbeat:

 

Beloved, You Are Loved

 

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

 

Love, Joe



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I think the Word says that ALL are welcome to the table of the Lord, amen.  I think the Word says, "For God SO loved the world ..."  Yet, I think we as Christians forget that.  Our salvation in Jesus Christ has made us proud.  We forget we are nothing but miserable, wretched sinners, ourselves.  Even our "good works" are nothing but "filthy rags" before the holiness of Almighty God!

As it is written.  You who have ears listen to what Holy Spirit has to say.  amen.

 

((( Sapere )))  I remember you and I thought we connected?  What has hurt you so badly.  I think I do not even have to ask that question, I think I know.

 

In one of the other threads, Prayer Requests, I wrote up an apology.  I want to extend this apology to you.  I am sorry that Christians have hurt you, those who are "suppose to know".  I am so sorry for every action taken against you, and word said against you, that was not from Jesus Christ.  I am sorry that instead of feeling welcomed, you have been made to feel rejected, yet again.  I am so sorry people have rejected you!  But, Jesus never will, I promise!  I know personally.  He is with me always and it makes it so much easier to take the insults and slaps.  I cannot imagine how I could live my life without Jesus!

 

I cannot imagine family troubles faced alone.  I cannot imagine sickness without having God there with me!  I cannot imagine how anyone lives a day to day life without Jesus beside them.  I pray everyone learns to know Him and will ask Him to be a part of their lives, amen.

 

Beloved of God!  I am sorry that we are human and fallen and keep making mistakes!  I am sorry for the pain in this world!  But, I have put my trust in Jesus and I am at peace.  I pray this supernatural peace over you, also.  I ask God to draw so very near to you that you will feel His presence.  I ask Holy Spirit to minister to your every need.  And, I ask this all in the precious Name of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior, amen.

 

I will keep you in my prayers,

Shalom, PrairWarur



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Blessings Sapere Aude....

      God Bless you & as Fez said ,only God knows your heart & you are most certainly welcome here whatever your position ......but may i ask why you would care what anyone's impression of you would be,why is it important to you to announce your falling away?

        I do hope,as you say you were once of the faith,you have seriously considered the eternal consequence of your decision? I wonder if you are perhaps the example of the unpardonable sin,what do you think?

                                                                                                                                                                       With love-in Christ,Kwik



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Well, I just put "truly" in Bing and that is the definition I used. My point is that the OP was never saved if he never "truly" believed, and that if he ever "truly" believed than he still is saved as his salvation is guaranteed by GOD. So, no contradiction there. Maybe you don't comprehend what the Bible says about it. No one can take away a person's salvation if they were ever "really" saved, not even the person themself. You don't even have to believe that for it to be true.



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The faith is tested yet again. Serving and loving the people combined with the power of the living Word of God keeps it alive. Being honest, person of God to another being sincerely knowing there is more to life than meets an eye. So many things come across that try to push us down, and this happens to all at some point. How do we react? And many times things get so intense, so personal that the heart can become broken. With a broken heart it is hard to love, rather one is more in need of love at times like this. Are we being loved? Why did Jesus speak of the Heavenly Father? I often ponder when reading the Bible, why do these things stand there and what do they mean; what did Jesus mean by saying all these things?

 

The Bible does not make sense if it was not for real that He spoke these things. Through our personal experience we get revealed how God is in person, and He is the same as always. But experiences in spirit wither away if we do not practice our faith because they belong to a world of spirit. Yet again, deep wounds recall for deep healing, and there is no other than the Holy Spirit who can fix things.

 

There is much I do not know, in fact, I know very little. But there is someone who knows it all. My ignorance does not stop Him from doing what is best. How else this vast existence could even exist, if not due to the Will of God because nothing begins out of nothing by itself, the eternity is the only logical reason.

 

Patience and trust are relevant to live with God. Jesus suffered much for a reason and that reason is You.

 

Rest assured, the maintenance of all life is in greater hands.



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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.

 

Cheers ~

I would hope that if all were welcome here, that your honesty would be appreciated.



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I know what you feel but deep down inside i know you still believe, you will find it again.

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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.
 
Cheers ~What happened to you that now you have turned from God?



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Discernment never lies ... and I've discerned much since I've been a member here.  I honest can't believe some of the stuff I read from some self-professing Christains in online threads, especially the ones who are in "administrative" positions.

 

 

Does it not matter that "whomsoever puts their hands to the plow and looks back, is not worthy of Me"?

Does it not matter that "whomever endureth to the end shall be saved" ... but what about the one who does not endure?

Does it not matter that Scriptures say that "cowards" will also be thrown into the lake of fire?

Does it not matter that "whomsoever denies Me before men, he will I deny before My Father"?

Does it not matter that He commands to "remain in Me, and I will remain in you"?  Remain is a present participle.  It means to continue.  So what happens to those who do not remain?

Does it not matter that Scriptures say that we are to reach out and snatch our falling brethren, even from the very gates of Hell?

Does it not matter that those how have repented and tasted the goodness of Salvation, to fall, crucify Lord Jesus again?  And are like the pig that is washed clean, but returns to the filthy mud?

Does it not matter that they become 7 times worst because of the demonic spirits that left the person enter back in with demons worst than they?

But, God knows her heart and "thats what really that matters" you say? He knew the heart of Cain, and Saul, and Judas as well, didn't He?  Didn't save their soul one bit though. 

 

 

I expected more...but already discerned.



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There was a time when I did believe. I even posted my conversion on the forums. But I no longer do. I just want to make that clear so as to not leave people with the lasting impression that I still believe.

 

Cheers ~

 

I am sorry for you.  I truly, truly am.

 

I'll tell you a little something about me and my nature and Christian disposition: I can't stand Nicolaitans.  Basically,"psuedoChristians" or "false Christains" in laymen terms.  In more crast terms, "hypocrites" and/or "fakers" whom I often call "Church goers."  I really can't stand them.  But in equal portions, I truly cannot believe that if someone truly repented, and truly understood what Jesus did for them, and truly knew that they were unworthy and deserving of damnation, and were truly grateful for His Salvation ... they could never, ever say that "I no longer believe".  It's impossible.

 

I backslid.  I fell away.  I even cursed God.  Yup.  Gave Him the birdie and spewed the F-bomb at Him.  Sure, I hated you Christians, and your Church, and your God (imagine that right?).  But I never, ever said that I stopped believing in God or His Christ.  How could I?  I had experienced and seen and witnessed and heard too much.

 

My father told me in 1991, that when I experience the goodness and presence of God, then I would be more than just a little convinced of Him, I would be convinced.  And, when I repented, I was on fire for God.  Threw away my cazettes, porn, bad friends, stopped cursing and partying, read the Word always, witnessed whenever I had the opportunity ... and I experienced God.  I went through things that I was, and still am, totally convinced that He interceeded.  I learned also, the true dedication and delighting myself in Him means He will draw close to me.  I know, because I experienced it for myself.  This isn't some Sunday morning testimony, this is what I've experienced.  So I pity those who never dedicate themselves to God like that to know His power.  I pity these foolish children who try to hide behind their minor accomplishments, as if their silly little titles make them my spiritual senior by default.  lol  How I pity them greatly for their vanity and unfounded arrogance.  But I pity those who fall away even more.  At least the weak Christian or carnal Christian will make it in ... even through the skin of their teeth.  But the backslider?  How terrible it will be for them.

 

You see, I already know the problem.

 

1)

Powerless preaching followed with an alter call. 

 

2)

People aren't convicted of their sins, and they don't even know what it means to repent and give their life to God.  They don't know what they are doing.  All I see are a bunch of dry-eyes and smiling faces at the alter: people who aren't truly sorry for their sins, people who aren't overjoyed that they are finally forgive and free, and thankful, knowing they don't deserve it.  All I see are people joined the Church as if they are joining some sort of fraternity!

 

And to the Brethren reading this who want to type in disagreement, put your hands back in your pocket!  The Word of God is not hindered by your opinions!

 

Jesus said, "unless you come as a little child, you will not enter in"

 

How many of you have actually considered that?  How many of you have children to know that when a child does something wrong, they come weeping and crying and forgiving and asking for forgiveness and trusting and trying to do better?  Don't you understand?

 

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Because there is a lack of fully understanding, there is a lack on true conversion.  And yes, this is even moreso in the Internet community.  Unchurched and untrained people sitting at their computers in seats of judgment, but they themselves severly lack discernment or a GOD-GIVEN ability to rightfully judge matters, or overnight sensationalist who see a subject and then pounce as if they know the difference between a mere aleph and a bet in the Hebrew alphabet.  I grow so tired of all the vanity and foolishness and poor judgment.  It weighs heavily on my heart. 

 

I'm so tired of the weak Christains with thier weak knowledge and weaker dedication ... and I see their folly rubbing off on you new converts ... becasue they spew foolishness all over webpages, but you little children are the ones who soak it all up.

 

It's as if they did not read the warning of Jesus, on how they go out of their way to convert just one person, and make that person twice the sons of Satan that they are.  And no, Christains are not exampt from this!

 

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Prophecy cannot be broken.  It cannot be stopped.  There must be a great falling away.  There must be a turn from sound doctrine, and yes, even by those who profess to know Jesus.  The salt has already begun to loose its flavor - the evidence is in what we see going on in the word ... for the Christian is the "salt of the earth" ... what will happen to the world is the salt looses its flavor?  It cannot be resalted.  Is anyone paying attention to the Spirit?  Is there anyone out there who understands?

 

 

So, I understand.  But even in my understanding, I fear for you.  I am sorry for you.  But I know that God has not failed you.  Jesus suffered and died for YOU ... for two reasons.

 

Reason #1: because a love spoken is not a love proven.  Jesus proved His love by His suffering and dying ... because He really didn't have to do it.

 

Reason #2: to save you from Hellfire.  I mean, really.  What do you think He suffered for?  Just to "save you"?  Why is it that no one says what He saved us from?  He did all of that to save us from Hellfire.  Hell is that serious and that severe that God Himself suffered and died so we could escape that damnation ... and you throw this amazing grace back in His face?

 

You see, I already know what repentance is.  I already know that no man can "repent" unless they are truly called by the Spirit.  And if they truly repent, even if they should fall back, they never say "I no longer believe".  It's impossible for anyone to do that who has tasted the power of God for themselves.  Impossible.  It would be easier for you to say that your mother and father don't exist, even if they scorned the day you were born.  Sure, you'd hate them, but you'd know that they exist and are what they claim to be (or hypocrites).  So, if you no longer believe in God, the problem is the closeness of your ... "fellowship."

 

You see, I know that only the Spirit of God can call men to repentance.  This is why during the Tribulation Period, Revelation shows three times that men will not repent.  They cannot repent because the Spirit is no longer around (Raptured with the Chruch) to call them to repentance.  That's why you see nothing about "repenting and turning to Jesus in the Book of Revelation.  You only see "don't take the mark of the beast."

 

 

 

Look, Sapere, God loves you.  I know He does because He proved it on the Cross.  Love that is not proven ... is not verifiable.  He loves you, but God the Father also loves His Son greatly.  While He loves you, His fierce wrath will pour out against all who reject His Son.  Wouldn't you do the same if it were your child?  Think of it in human terms ... and if you can understand it in human terms, you'll understand in Heavenly terms.  He loves you, but He never promised you that you wouldn' have bad times in life.  In fact, it was He who warned us that we would.  But he also promised:

 

"Blessed are they who weep now, for they shall be comforted."

 

I so deeply wish that so many of the people I cross in online and tangible settings had someone in their lives who would teach them the Word of God.  No, teach them the Word of God, not tell them their personal delusions over the Word of God.  I really wish you all had such mentors.

 

Prophecy says that men will not heed sound doctrine, and that there will be a great falling away from truth/doctrine in the latter days.  Don't let yourself fall into that category.

 

 

Listen, I don't mean to preach, but I'm telling you, your SOUL (and they suggest that I not type in caps, but your salvation is far more important to me/God than the regulations of men) is important and immortal.  You have been born, and as such, you must go to either Heaven of Hell.  There is nothing in between.  There is no magical disposition.  All I ask of you is that you think on these things while you lay in your bed at night.  All I ask is that you learn to see what Salvation really is, and what God has really done for you ... and if you have a Bible - a real one - just read it.  Stay in the New Testament.  Do not read the Old Testament.  That is a trick of the enemy to keep people away from the knowledge of Jesus and the Gospel.  Just read.  It will come to you. 

 

But do it with a sincere heart.  Stop looking at trying to earn favor, as if you do a good thing and "God owes you".  He will never bless you with that attitude ... becasue He owes you nothing.  But, when you seek and press towards Him becasue you want to, and because you are called to ... He will take notice, and He WILL reach down from Heaven and gently raise you to your feet.  He will slowly soften your heart and mold your mind to understand things better.

 

I PROMISE you these things ... and I don't make promises.  But I know these things because I've experienced them.

 

There is nothing you can give God that is good enough.  Nothing.  The only sacrifice he desires ... is a broken spirit and a contrite heart.  One that is sorry for doing wrong, and one that leans on and depends on Him.

 

 

And, I would rather give you this effort and "half a book" because your soul hangs in the fringe.  I've just taken about an hour of my time, distracted from my work, to type this for you, and I have prayed for you.  Not words on a page, or the foolishness of these who are quick to run their fingers across a keyboard but the thought of PRAYING for you never even enters their mind.  Sour fruits indeed ... and I type this that they be ashamed!  But with you soul, I plead for you to consider, that your heart be softened, that you understand better, that the enemy be rebuked from you long enough for you to see clearly ... and if there are any who are redeemed of the Lord that read this, and hear what the Spirit is saying, agree and join me on this.  No need for you to advertise on this thread - just do it ... without a word.

 

I am but a vessel.  I have no Salvation to give you.  I have no Heaven to welcome you into, or Hell to cast you in.  I am but a vessel.  It is the Lord Himself that stands and knocks.  A gentleman knocks.  But it is Satan who bashes down the door and ties you up.  But Jesus gives you a choice.  He knocks.  If you will not answer, well, He knocked, and you are hence without excuse.  But you must learn what Salvation really is, and what Jesus really did for you, and what He saved you from, and that you don't deserve it.  Once you understand, then you can believe.  And once you believe, then you can be called by the Spirit.  Once called by the Spirit, you can/will be convicted to turn from sin, even the sins that your flesh enjoys.  And finally, if the seeds fall on good soil, you will repent - truly repent - and you will cry like a baby, with tears of both regret and great joy, and you will hate sins and bad things, and desire to be free from them.  THEN you would have known true repentance.

 

... and hopefully, hopefully, we will meet each other in that Great Coming of Our Lord, and you will shout "Hey!  I remember you!  Look!  I did it!  I made it!" .... and we will enter the Joy of the Lord with great praise and gladness.

 

... but if you don't ... there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

 

He never fails.  We fail.



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It is tougher to stay the course



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....As an ex-Christian atheist myself, I....

 

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So

 

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

 

Then

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

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Seeds

And Lost Men

And Little Understanding

 

When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it,

the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart.

This is the seed sown along the path.

 

The seed falling on rocky ground

refers to someone

who hears the word

and at once receives it with joy.

But since they have no root, they last only a short time.

When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

 

The seed falling among the thorns

refers to someone

who hears the word,

but the worries of this life

and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

 

But the seed falling on good soil

refers to someone

who hears the word and understands it.

This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.” Matthew 13:19-23 (NIV)






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