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Are we obeying God on Abortion

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Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.

Should have we executed everyone associated (the woman, the doctors nurses associated with it) with abortion from the very beginning? Since about 1976 it has been about 57 million abortions. Granted some women had multiple abortions but that would be a lot of executions.

Have we failed God on this command to Noah?

And y r murderers still alive in our prisons? Have we failed God on this too?

It is a pretty simple command...but I think we get a F for failure..

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Personally, I believe abortion is first degree murder, and everyone who has an abortion or performs an abortion should be up on capital murder charges and face the possibility of execution.  This nation didn't just go wrong in not pushing things that far.  The dictators on the Supreme Court just made a decree that all laws against this form of murder were somehow a violation of a made up Constitutional right to privacy.  That happened in 1973, and Harry Blackman who wrote the decision even admitted before his death that they took great liberties with the Constitution to create a right that was never intended by the authors of that document.  Before Roe vs Wade, most states had laws against abortion, and they sentenced people to prison for their part in an abortion.  This was enough of a deterrent to keep the abortion rate relatively low.  The first step is finding a way around the Supreme Court decision.  The next step is outlawing abortion.  I don't see much hope of an overturn of Roe anytime soon, and I personally believe that the only possible way to start on the path to fixing things is either to abolish the federal judiciary altogether, including the Supreme Court, and making the state courts the final authority, or pulling states out of the union and forming a new confederacy.  I would support either at this time. 



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Sometimes the baby has to be taken to preserve the life of the mother, such as in fallopian tube pregnancies.
Planned Parenthood lies about what happens to the baby. They don't tell that the baby can feel pain, and that it is burned to death with acid or else pulled limb from limb. They tell teenaged girls that they are just removing unwanted tissue from their bodies. This is the organization that should be blamed as well as those universities and politicians that perpetuate the lies to prevent overpopulation.. Often the young girls are under great pressure from the father or their families to get rid of the baby. Others don't want to assume the financial responsibility or embarassment for the baby. So 14-15 year old girls are ostracised and even abandoned for not having abortions.

I agree that the surpreme court is now creating law. At best it interprets law to circumvent the constitiution, as does our president.

It is a web of lies much like the ones about the evolution of one species into another. Both have gone on so long they are set in stone. And both attack the sanctity of human life.

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Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.

Should have we executed everyone associated (the woman, the doctors nurses associated with it) with abortion from the very beginning? Since about 1976 it has been about 57 million abortions. Granted some women had multiple abortions but that would be a lot of executions.

Have we failed God on this command to Noah?

And y r murderers still alive in our prisons? Have we failed God on this too?

It is a pretty simple command...but I think we get a F for failure..

 

I guess you should add in every police officer that has killed anyone, everyone in the military that has killed anyone or been associated with the killing.  The military alone would add up to about 3 million folks.  So, what method of killing should we use?  Stoning?



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Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.

Should have we executed everyone associated (the woman, the doctors nurses associated with it) with abortion from the very beginning? Since about 1976 it has been about 57 million abortions. Granted some women had multiple abortions but that would be a lot of executions.

Have we failed God on this command to Noah?

And y r murderers still alive in our prisons? Have we failed God on this too?

It is a pretty simple command...but I think we get a F for failure..

 

I guess you should add in every police officer that has killed anyone, everyone in the military that has killed anyone or been associated with the killing.  The military alone would add up to about 3 million folks.  So, what method of killing should we use?  Stoning?

 

The scripture mentioned only deals with killing an innocent person.  It has absolutely nothing to do with a police officer defending people or those killing in time of war.  How do I know that?  Because the same law that gives us that teaching on putting to death murderers allows killing for self defense and in time of war.  God even sent people into battle.  There is absolutely no moral equivalency.  This teaching is expanded upon in Numbers where it goes so far as to say that when innocent blood is shed, it defiles the land, and the only way to cleanse the land is by shedding the blood of the murderer.  Again, this is not talking about the military or police officers or killing in self defense.  That would go to Willamina's comments about the rare cases of an abortion taking place to save the life of the Mother. 



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The scripture mentioned only deals with killing an innocent person.  It has absolutely nothing to do with a police officer defending people or those killing in time of war.  How do I know that?  Because the same law that gives us that teaching on putting to death murderers allows killing for self defense and in time of war.  God even sent people into battle.  There is absolutely no moral equivalency.  This teaching is expanded upon in Numbers where it goes so far as to say that when innocent blood is shed, it defiles the land, and the only way to cleanse the land is by shedding the blood of the murderer.  Again, this is not talking about the military or police officers or killing in self defense.  That would go to Willamina's comments about the rare cases of an abortion taking place to save the life of the Mother. 

 

 

The scripture posted makes no differentiation between innocent and guilty.  Now I do agree that there are other parts of the Bible that do make that differentiation.  But that is the problem with posting a single verse and making such a bold statement based on it.  We also have examples of people after this passage that spilled innocent blood and didnt pay with their lives, Moses and King David come to mind.



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I think we would have to rewind far futher than abortion.

 

It's been going on since Cain and Abel

 

I consider abortion to be the equivalent of child sacrifice.  The devil still is offered children as he was in the cultures we read about in the Bible 

and other literature.

 

Sin has deep roots



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It is best to obey the Lord in all.

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It is best to obey the Lord in all.

So we should stone adulterers?



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Yes abortion should be called what it is: murder. It is murder because it is the killing of an innocent member of mankind, made in the image of God Himself. The state has a right and obligation to enforce laws. The people who commit murder should be tried as murderers, everyone involved with conspiring to do it and carry it out. The big problem is that the Devil has blinded people to the reality of what a baby is, trying to convince people that babies only exist "magically" once they leave the womb. And to that, we must ask, well, in the instant of time right before you qualify that they have left the womb what were they? The answer has to be of course, a baby. And the instant before that? A baby, and so on and so on and as we move the time table back to the beginning it is proven then that you always had a baby, in the same way that if you do that with a tree, you still have a tree when it's inside the seed.



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Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.
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I found it interesting that this is the first and about the only thing God said after the flood to Noah. So it must be very close to Gods heart. By the way....

shed blood - - to kill by violence; slaughter.

slaugh·ter - the brutal or violent killing of a person.
- to kill in a brutal or violent manner.

I would say that pretty much describes an abortion. So if I'm reading this correctly really the people partaking in abortion should be executed the same way.

Whoever slaughters human blood by humans their blood should be slaughtered.

I also find it interesting when Jesus was slaughtered....they released a murderer. Why was that murderer even alive?

When did we stop obeying God on this? And why?

Do u think when Jesus comes back and rules on earth he will implement what his Father told Noah?

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Why didn't God slaughter David when he had someone brutally killed?

Why didn't God slaughter Moses when he brutally killed the Egyptian?

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Why didn't Jesus call down the angles and kill those that were brutally killing Him instead of forgiving them?

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Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.
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I found it interesting that this is the first and about the only thing God said after the flood to Noah. So it must be very close to Gods heart. By the way....

shed blood - - to kill by violence; slaughter.

slaugh·ter - the brutal or violent killing of a person.
- to kill in a brutal or violent manner.

I would say that pretty much describes an abortion. So if I'm reading this correctly really the people partaking in abortion should be executed the same way.

Whoever slaughters human blood by humans their blood should be slaughtered.

I also find it interesting when Jesus was slaughtered....they released a murderer. Why was that murderer even alive?

When did we stop obeying God on this? And why?

Do u think when Jesus comes back and rules on earth he will implement what his Father told Noah?

 

 

 

I think a little thought and understanding is required here.

 

Time did not stand still after the flood.

 

I would expect Noah continued to look towards God and God continued to lead him.

 

Every word or impression or events that occured are simply not recorded in scripture and I think that believing only what is written is all that ever transpired,

leads to erroneous conclusions.

 

1.  The law was not yet given, so saying that the only stipulation concerning murder was given to Noah after the flood by God would be wrong

 

2.  Why didn't God kill Cain right off?  Seems He should have done so if your understanding is correct...rather, God had this to say:

 

 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15But the Lord said to him, “Not soe ; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,f east of Eden.  Gen.4

 

 

3.  The law was given to define sin.  If you cannot keep the entire law, then you have broken all of it.

 

Scripture actually says this regarding keeping the law:

 

Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”d 9So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”e 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”g 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”h 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.  Gal. 3

 

Your reasoning does not actually take into account all that the Bible has to say about God's vengeance, God's knowledge of the heart and all the other things we cannot apply

when it comes to deciding the fate of an individual.

 

Homosexuality is also punishable by death.

 

Who is going to run the death squads putting everyone who transgresses God's law to death?  

 

Should Christians apply the death penalty?

 

Your premise creates questions and does not address God's solution to sin which is not arrived at by killing everyone who breaks His law because all of us are guilty of breaking

His law and all of us deserve the death penalty...even if we had never aborted a child or murdered someone or even accidentally killed someone.



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Why didn't God slaughter David when he had someone brutally killed?
Why didn't God slaughter Moses when he brutally killed the Egyptian?

Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.
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BY HUMANS. Good questions. Why didn't HUMANS slaughter David and Moses ....and while on the subject how about Paul...? Why are Humans letting humans get way with murder? When God said it was alright to rid the earth of them.....

Humans should have intervened for Jesus.... Humans should intervene for innocent lives being slaughtered if you want to win favor and be obedient to Almighty God... INNOCENT is the key word...

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Why didn't Jesus call down the angles and kill those that were brutally killing Him instead of forgiving them?

 

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.



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Why didn't God slaughter David when he had someone brutally killed?
Why didn't God slaughter Moses when he brutally killed the Egyptian?

Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.
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BY HUMANS. Good questions. Why didn't HUMANS slaughter David and Moses ....and while on the subject how about Paul...? Why are Humans letting humans get way with murder? When God said it was alright to rid the earth of them.....

Humans should have intervened for Jesus.... Humans should intervene for innocent lives being slaughtered if you want to win favor and be obedient to Almighty God... INNOCENT is the key word...

 

 

 

The answers you appear to seek are contained in the Bible.  The entire book however, and not just one verse that you appear to interpret as God's stamp of approval on killing.



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I will echo 7seas...you are taking a single verse out of its context and trying to apply too much doctrine to it. I would suggest you move past this verse and read the rest of your bible

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Genesis 9:5-6 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. “Whoever sheds human blood,by humans shall their blood be shed;for in the image of God has God made mankind.
...

I found it interesting that this is the first and about the only thing God said after the flood to Noah. So it must be very close to Gods heart. By the way....
shed blood - - to kill by violence; slaughter.
slaugh·ter - the brutal or violent killing of a person.
- to kill in a brutal or violent manner.
I would say that pretty much describes an abortion. So if I'm reading this correctly really the people partaking in abortion should be executed the same way.
Whoever slaughters human blood by humans their blood should be slaughtered.
I also find it interesting when Jesus was slaughtered....they released a murderer. Why was that murderer even alive?
When did we stop obeying God on this? And why?
Do u think when Jesus comes back and rules on earth he will implement what his Father told Noah?
 
 
I think a little thought and understanding is required here.
 
Time did not stand still after the flood.
 
I would expect Noah continued to look towards God and God continued to lead him.
 
Every word or impression or events that occured are simply not recorded in scripture and I think that believing only what is written is all that ever transpired,
leads to erroneous conclusions.
 
1.  The law was not yet given, so saying that the only stipulation concerning murder was given to Noah after the flood by God would be wrong
 
2.  Why didn't God kill Cain right off?  Seems He should have done so if your understanding is correct...rather, God had this to say:
 
 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
15But the Lord said to him, “Not soe ; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,f east of Eden.  Gen.4
 
 
3.  The law was given to define sin.  If you cannot keep the entire law, then you have broken all of it.
 
Scripture actually says this regarding keeping the law:
 
Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”d 9So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”e 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”g 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”h 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.  Gal. 3
 
Your reasoning does not actually take into account all that the Bible has to say about God's vengeance, God's knowledge of the heart and all the other things we cannot apply
when it comes to deciding the fate of an individual.
 
Homosexuality is also punishable by death.
 
Who is going to run the death squads putting everyone who transgresses God's law to death?  
 
Should Christians apply the death penalty?
 
Your premise creates questions and does not address God's solution to sin which is not arrived at by killing everyone who breaks His law because all of us are guilty of breaking
His law and all of us deserve the death penalty...even if we had never aborted a child or murdered someone or even accidentally killed someone.

So God changed his mind....so shedding blood is no big deal....just ask forgiveness....so Jesus came to earth....to allow us to abort babies by the millions...innocent blood...it not a human being....it's a choice....please quote scripture that overrides God commandment...
Abortionist can be forgiven...if it comes from the heart...but that shouldn't override the punishment of shedding innocent blood...no matter what a man made law says...

I feel like us as humans have neglected our responsibilities....to do what God said to do...

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If that is the way you feel then why are you not complying with what you see to be an absolute command. Why ask us why we are not, look inward and ask your self the question. How many people have you executed in God's name?




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