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What do you do if a Dr. says you need to pull the plug on your loved ones. Is that murder? Do we have that right to make that choice?

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No. I don't believe that we have that choice. But then again before we had the technology that we have today there would have been so such plug to pull and no life support machines.

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Making this kind of a choice can be very difficult and painful for a family.It is not immoral to turn off the machines if the patient is laying in a vegetative state.If God wants a person to remain alive He will do so.It is very important that a patient has filled out and signed an advance directive then you know what their wishes were.

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This is one of the hardest decisions anyone could face. What should be asked is that if they were not on life support, would they have passed already? Life support gave them a fighting chance to heal. If they do not get better, is it fair to hold onto them? I would trust the Lord with all my heart on this matter. If it is their time, they will pass. If not, the Lord will sustain them. I do not see this as murder at all.

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This is one of the hardest decisions anyone could face. What should be asked is that if they were not on life support, would they have passed already? Life support gave them a fighting chance to heal. If they do not get better, is it fair to hold onto them? I would trust the Lord with all my heart on this matter. If it is their time, they will pass. If not, the Lord will sustain them. I do not see this as murder at all.

Nor do I see it as murder. My brother and I have an agreement we would do it for each other.

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What is the plug doing? Is it helping a handicapped person breathe or inflating and deflating a corpse? Would unplugging be a matter of loving neighbor as self? James 1: Pray and trust for wisdom.

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I believe that if a person would be dead if not plugged into artificial life support, that we should allow them to die and not hold a vigil by their bedside for months while

their earthly body wastes away.

 

I certainly would not want to be kept on this earth if I had actually died.

 

I think it might be wise to discuss such things with family members so that we know we are respecting their wishes....maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think many people

would want to be artificially alive if they could be in God's presence (those who are Christians of course)

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This is one of the hardest decisions anyone could face. What should be asked is that if they were not on life support, would they have passed already? Life support gave them a fighting chance to heal. If they do not get better, is it fair to hold onto them? I would trust the Lord with all my heart on this matter. If it is their time, they will pass. If not, the Lord will sustain them. I do not see this as murder at all.

I do not view it as murder in this type of situation you described so I agree with your comments. I think it is very important for us to let our wishes be known to our loved ones in this type of situation.

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What do you do if a Dr. says you need to pull the plug on your loved ones. Is that murder? Do we have that right to make that choice?

I don't believe it's murder, but a very difficult choice....   it helps if one has discussed it before hand with the person.   We did so with our parents and my wife and I have discussed it.....   we've also discussed it with our children.

 

If that person has not shared his/her thoughts on the subject it can be difficult and might depend on what was wrong and any possible outcome.

 

I would never pull the plug on an unsaved person though unless they were conscious and told me to.

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This is one of the hardest decisions anyone could face. What should be asked is that if they were not on life support, would they have passed already? Life support gave them a fighting chance to heal. If they do not get better, is it fair to hold onto them? I would trust the Lord with all my heart on this matter. If it is their time, they will pass. If not, the Lord will sustain them. I do not see this as murder at all.

Nor do I see it as murder. My brother and I have an agreement we would do it for each other.

 

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This is one of the hardest decisions anyone could face. What should be asked is that if they were not on life support, would they have passed already? Life support gave them a fighting chance to heal. If they do not get better, is it fair to hold onto them? I would trust the Lord with all my heart on this matter. If it is their time, they will pass. If not, the Lord will sustain them. I do not see this as murder at all.

Nor do I see it as murder. My brother and I have an agreement we would do it for each other.

 

 

I have it in my living will.  If there is no hope for recovery they are not to put me on any machines.  That way no one will have to make that choice.  Pain management only.  I don't want to  linger.

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Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own?

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Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own?

That is a difficult question that I would pray about if I should ever be in that situation.

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Very simple, man invented the plug.

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Very simple, man invented the plug.

 

Man invented medicines for diabetes too. Would you advocate stopping those and seeing if God keeps you alive?

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Very simple, man invented the plug.

 

Man invented medicines for diabetes too. Would you advocate stopping those and seeing if God keeps you alive?

 

Such violence in tone, all I can say is that for me I hate the concept of "life support". I don't need machines to delay my ascent to heaven.

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it is not murder. and really, everyone should have an advanced directive.... although i'm a hypocrite here because i don't have one either. i would hate to put my family in that position.

 

ayin, it kinda depends. is there any reasonable (medical) chance that the person is going to awaken from the coma? are they brain dead? there are so many different scenarios regarding a comatose person that it would be impossible to give a one size fits all opinion on removing a feeding tube from someone like that. but what i CAN say is that for people like terri schivo a few years ago, who was NOT in a coma but in a "perpetual vegetative state" (when clearly the medical definition and practical definition were in opposition to each other), i personally think that was murder.

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Very simple, man invented the plug.

 

Man invented medicines for diabetes too. Would you advocate stopping those and seeing if God keeps you alive?

 

Such violence in tone, all I can say is that for me I hate the concept of "life support". I don't need machines to delay my ascent to heaven.

 

 

There is no violence in my tone. I merely asked a question based on the logic you used in your previous statement.

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Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own?

 

That would depend on a very large number of things......   My mother forbid me from giving her a feeding tube while she still had a rational mind knowing she had Alzheimer and would sooner or later not be able to swallow......   I sat by her side holding her hand the last three days she lived as she slowly starved to death.  To say the least it was not easy to do....

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There has recently been a bunch of articles that have come out that show society is headed towards euthanasia of the "useless" in society. Whether its voluntary or not remains to be seen. Two articles came out this week alone. One showed that the population cannot be sustained. In keeping with the georgia stones that advocate a population no greater than half a million, this study funded by our govt recommended that population be reduced. The other recommended a change in guidelines for blood pressure medication in folks over 60. Apparently it is ok in their eyes to let folks over 60 have a higher blood pressure. Medically that is quite bad. 

 

I fully expect the govt to one day make a medical decision for me, despite my better understanding of my medical needs than they have, that I am no longer worth keeping alive. Not through heroic means, but in just not being worth the cost of basic medicine. 

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Very simple, man invented the plug.

 

Man invented medicines for diabetes too. Would you advocate stopping those and seeing if God keeps you alive?

 

Such violence in tone, all I can say is that for me I hate the concept of "life support". I don't need machines to delay my ascent to heaven.

 

 

There is no violence in my tone. I merely asked a question based on the logic you used in your previous statement.

 

You are correct, sometimes I overreact. Sorry.

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Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own?

 

That would depend on a very large number of things......   My mother forbid me from giving her a feeding tube while she still had a rational mind knowing she had Alzheimer and would sooner or later not be able to swallow......   I sat by her side holding her hand the last three days she lived as she slowly starved to death.  To say the least it was not easy to do....

 

 

Yea I know. When my father in law, who had some form of senility, had a stroke in the lower portion of his brain we faced this too. The bleeding continued and could not be stopped. The stroke was in the base portion of the brain where it controls the basic life functions. The docs told us he would not recover and it was just a question of when he would die. A day, a week, a month. My hubby and his sisters (and I too with my hubby) sat with him. Although he was not fed, he did not starve to death. He died a few days after his stroke. He breathed until the end, but his organs gradually shut down.  

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There has recently been a bunch of articles that have come out that show society is headed towards euthanasia of the "useless" in society. Whether its voluntary or not remains to be seen. Two articles came out this week alone. One showed that the population cannot be sustained. In keeping with the georgia stones that advocate a population no greater than half a million, this study funded by our govt recommended that population be reduced. The other recommended a change in guidelines for blood pressure medication in folks over 60. Apparently it is ok in their eyes to let folks over 60 have a higher blood pressure. Medically that is quite bad. 

 

I fully expect the govt to one day make a medical decision for me, despite my better understanding of my medical needs than they have, that I am no longer worth keeping alive. Not through heroic means, but in just not being worth the cost of basic medicine. 

Our government has been involved in lowering the population of the world for a very long time.....  Henry Kissinger made things happen through the UN when he was the head of the State Department, and it was going on before world war II with the eugenics movement in the 20's.

Carnegie Institution, Rockefeller Foundation, and the Harriman railroad and banking funded much of the movement, and it was said that Hitler had read the writings of these people and Margret Sanger and several others, and was shocked that we put up such a fuss about killing a few Jews.

 

Looks like it is about to raise it's ugly head again....

 

You know that old saying that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.......    well I have noticed that those of us who do are cursed to have to watch it happen anyway.....   I'm really getting tired of much of it.....  so I should quit for tonight before I get tacky.....   I wouldn't want my tacky to accidentally rub off on any of us, especially you as I quoted your post...

 

BTW doing away with folks over 60 is a really good way of fixing the problem with social security and medicare.

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Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own?

The key is not able to breath on their own, isn't it? The food really doesn't matter in a case like this.

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My brother had Hodkins with some very aggressive tumors in his chest.He was on very large doses of methaltrexate for 7 years.He was very young,40 years old.He had a wife and two teenage sons.He wanted to stop taking the chemo.He was a Chrisitan and was done with the suffering.His family begged him to continue which is what he did for their sake.He died at 40 years old because rather he took the chemo or not the Lord wanted him home.

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