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Hey guys and welcome to the DRS thread.

We serve water, bouncy balls, stuffed animals and gum,

and I'd like to create a fun discussion about the devil in regards to believers and nonbelievers.

Ok, so when the devil wants a nonbeliever dead that's just one less soul in heaven.

When the devil wants a believer dead that's just one less soul spreading the gospel.

But my question is, does it make the devil even more upset when after a believer dies, they are with the Lord?

Like for example, we made enemies with the devil the day when we accepted Christ and not him.

So does the devil know what he's doing when he wants us dead.

 

- DRS81

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First of all I don't think he necessarily wants us dead.   He'd rather torment us as much as possible while we are here.   Killing a Christian isn't really on his agenda right now.  We all make mistakes and he loves to throw that up into Gods face and make us look bad.

 

Once he's been given permission to make war with the Saints and overcome, that may change as he seems to be set up to use death as a tool to get us to take the mark.....     At that time most of the world and how it works will change.....   at least from my viewpoint that's the way it looks.

 

I'm not a part of all that any more, but 30 years ago killing Christians was not an agenda item, and I don't think God will just let him go around killing people or he'd have killed me while I was still not really saved.  It appeared to me that he tried at least three times and weird things kept it from happening......   All but one of those could have just been normal life happenings, but I don't think so.

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Satan came to steal, to kill and destroy. He would rather deceive us so we are robbed of our faith or joy, and made ineffective in God's kingdom. When Christians are killed still confessing their faith and forgiving their murderers, God's kingdom spreads like wild fire. It is not like muslims who die filled with hatred. So I am not sure that satan does understand the results of murdering Christians. Perhaps his hatred has blinded him to the consequences. But he must have thought that murdering Jesus would be his greatest triumph, too. All he can do is play into God's hands.

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When Christians are killed still confessing their faith and forgiving their murderers, God's kingdom spreads like wild fire.

 

very interesting. please provide example if you have.

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Hey guys and welcome to the DRS thread.

We serve water, bouncy balls, stuffed animals and gum,

and I'd like to create a fun discussion about the devil in regards to believers and nonbelievers.

Ok, so when the devil wants a nonbeliever dead that's just one less soul in heaven.

When the devil wants a believer dead that's just one less soul spreading the gospel.

But my question is, does it make the devil even more upset when after a believer dies, they are with the Lord?

Like for example, we made enemies with the devil the day when we accepted Christ and not him.

So does the devil know what he's doing when he wants us dead.

 

- DRS81

 

 

a fun discussion...about the devil...that could be quite paradoxical you know

 

I would have my water with mostly ginger ale with lots of ginger, hold the bouncy things and I already have enough live animals...I have always liked gum though

 

Do you believe or think that what the devil wants the devil gets...  as he lights his cigar, crosses his bony legs on his constantly burning wood desk, tips back on his chair, pushes back

the hat on his head under which beads of sweat constantly make a slow course down his coarse face and swats at the embers flying around his head and nods to his secretary to

try the fire extingusher yet again on his desk...and makes demands on an already overloaded angel of death

 

Does the devil get upset....no...he is purpose driven and as such, pays no attention to bumps in the road, skin rashes or those beyond his control

 

Any living breathing thing is enemies with the corpse that used to be the most beautiful thing God ever created...if you believe those descriptions refer to the devil.....

 

yes...the devil knows...he plans and schemes and lies and deceives and kills and destroys...I got that out of the Bible

 

Was that fun then....... :huh:

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LoL,,,,   you obviously know very little about Satan......    and that's not really a bad thing......   keep it that way.

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we're gonna need a bouncy ball for Sevenseas and a stuffed animal for other one. haha. eh i'm here to lighten the mood. Say cheese (click).

 

ok so where was I. oops.

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It makes satan very angry when someone is a believer and turns to God.I think satans main goal is to keep as many souls as possible away from God and heaven.I think that believers and pastors are harassed alot more than unbelievers.Because he already has them.

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You seem to be making light (as in joking around) about this topic. But things like this should not be joked about. The devil is not a joke. He is an enemy. In your jests you end up giving the enemy warm fuzzy appeal and glorify him. 

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I think the Devil is more interested in controlling people and fallen angels.

He must enjoy manipulating, he has an art at twisting thoughts.

His most powerful tools are words.

He must know he is going to die, like most people. enjoy life while you can.

I think he knows what he is doing, but that don't mean he knows what he doing.

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Blessings DRS,,,,,

     This really is not a light & breezy topic & I have no idea where satan himself is but he is only one demon,the accuser,the father of lies & he roams about seeking who he CAN devour,,,,oh yes,he knows exactly what he is doing ,,,,he has been at it from the start,,,,,for thousands of years....................but the thing is,we are in spiritual WAR....there are legions of demons,God only knows how many ........................& they have but one goal,steal,kill & destroy,,,,the saints,our faith,our love,our joy ,our peace,our Salvation ,,,,every good thing from God,every good fruit,every good gift........

       The enemy HATES God & they can never be reconciled back to the Father,they hate Jesus ,Jesus undoes ,destroys every works of the enemy &  delivers us from their death grip & we are FREE in Christ......................and we are hated & despised & sought after................oh yes,they know exactly what they are doing

      And so every Christian needs to that position of Victory we stand on,Gods Word & the Power that works in us that no demon in hell can stand up against........in Jesus Name & with His Authority,,,the Power of the Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead !!!!!!The enemy banks on the ignorance of Gods people & they are4 destroyed for their lac of knowledge..................it is WAR!        But Praise Jesus,we won 2000 yrs ago!

                                                                                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

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Jesus won our war 2,000 years ago, but the one with Satan isn't over....   Satan can't win in the end, but he still is fighting and we're stuck in the middle of it....    we know our outcome, but the trip there may not be very pleasant.

 

He said it was kind of like child birth and frankly I never met a woman who said giving birth was a real pleasant ordeal while it was going on.

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I have to agree that this is not a joke, nor is it play time.  Discuss Satan if you wish, but not in a way that is not scriptural.
 
1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

 
Ephesians 6:10-13

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

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From Prov 4 "But the path of the righteous is as the dawning light, That shines more and more to the perfect day. The way of the wicked is as darkness: They know not at what they stumble. "

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the devil doesnt want Christians dead he wants to watch us squirm. oh yes he knows what hes doing but he alsi is arrogant enough to challenge God.... so judgement not so good

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the devil doesnt want Christians dead he wants to watch us squirm. oh yes he knows what hes doing but he alsi is arrogant enough to challenge God.... so judgement not so good

Yes.......it is called PRIDE..

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the devil doesnt want Christians dead he wants to watch us squirm. oh yes he knows what hes doing but he alsi is arrogant enough to challenge God.... so judgement not so good

Yes.......it is called PRIDE..
exactly point proven as I said judgement not so Good. pride maked u blinder than if u gouged your eyes out
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Hey guys and welcome to the DRS thread.

We serve water, bouncy balls, stuffed animals and gum,

and I'd like to create a fun discussion about the devil in regards to believers and nonbelievers.

Ok, so when the devil wants a nonbeliever dead that's just one less soul in heaven.

When the devil wants a believer dead that's just one less soul spreading the gospel.

But my question is, does it make the devil even more upset when after a believer dies, they are with the Lord?

Like for example, we made enemies with the devil the day when we accepted Christ and not him.

So does the devil know what he's doing when he wants us dead.

 

- DRS81

Obviously, there is no way to know for sure what the answer is to this question.  I might even change my own opinion by tonight.  I tend to think that the devil is just about doing evil and causing destruction.  I don't know that he goes around angry that one person is spreading the gospel and because another person made it to heaven.  I think his focus is just about fighting with God and those that follow him.  If I am in the military fighting against an army of foreign invaders, all I care about is killing them so there are less fighting against me.  I tend to think that the devil would wipe the entire human race out if he could, but God won't let him.  The devil is limited in what he can do.  Remember in Job how he could only do as much as God would allow. 

 

My thought on the matter is that the devil just wants to destroy everyone.  That would be both believers and non-believers, because ultimately, he hates the entire human race.  When we get saved, God and the angels rejoice.  It is not like that with the devil.  He doesn't love his own servants.  He hates them.  He laughs at them.  He mocks them behind the scenes.  I tend to think he is just about destruction.  He has a long term plan, which we see played out in scripture in Revelation, but I don't really think he gets that upset over the actions of a single soul, though I do think the more we do for God, the more his attacks will come. 

 

Brother, I must say you gave us a tough question here, and I admit I am really not sure.  Perhaps a cup of coffee might help clear my mind.  I am just starting my day. 

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You seem to be making light (as in joking around) about this topic. But things like this should not be joked about. The devil is not a joke. He is an enemy. In your jests you end up giving the enemy warm fuzzy appeal and glorify him. 

I agree with Ayin Jade here.  I thought the same thing when I read the OP.  This is an interesting thing to think about, with no clear answer, and it is not something I would expect we would get in a big fight over like in some other discussions, but it is hardly a light subject.  We are talking about our enemy, and the harm he is doing to the whole human race.  Every time you see a loved one die, a war take place, a murder, a theft, anything bad, that is the result of the devil.  He seduced Eve into eating of that forbidden fruit, and now he is going around seducing people to sin.  I get where DRS81 is coming from, in that this isn't one of those hard subjects where we are at each others throats with strong opinions, but this is really a vey serious subject.  It is just one where I am not sure any of us can give a conclusive answer.  All we can do is look to scripture for clues. 

 

DRS81, I am not coming against you in the sense of outrage you would call this a light topic, or anything like that.  I think I understand the spirit in which you meant those comments, but Ayin Jade, as well as the others who have agreed with her position have a good point.  This is a very serious topic.  I do think it gives us something to consider.  I am still trying to decide within myself the answer to your question. 

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Ok, so when the devil wants a nonbeliever dead that's just one less soul in heaven.

When the devil wants a believer dead that's just one less soul spreading the gospel.

But my question is, does it make the devil even more upset when after a believer dies, they are with the Lord?

Like for example, we made enemies with the devil the day when we accepted Christ and not him.

So does the devil know what he's doing when he wants us dead.

 

I believe there is a significant error in your line of thinking.

 

The devil could care less about us. The devil's war is with God, not us. In the devil's perspective, we are nothing more than pawns.

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we're gonna need a bouncy ball for Sevenseas and a stuffed animal for other one. haha. eh i'm here to lighten the mood. Say cheese (click).

 

ok so where was I. oops.

 

 

nono...no bouncy balls...I said hold 'em...will take grape flavored bubbleicious tho

 

yes...the devil knows...he plans and schemes and lies and deceives and kills and destroys...I got that out of the Bible

 

that is what scripture says and I take that very seriously

 

My answer to you was simply a response to yr 'fun' remark

 

Jesus warned us about deception and that is prob his number one tool .  Some people make a quest out of 'learning' about the devil...and then assume others

do not know much.  

 

The truth is, a focus on satan is never right.   The devil loves attention and is very good at drawing people into his schemes

 

We should also remember that he appears as an angel of light......

 

Jesus had this to say:  "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy ; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.  John 10:10

 

Jesus also said this: “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies” John 8:44

 

The devil is not an alien as some believe, as I already stated, the devil is the great deceiver and he does not much care how he deceives as long as he can

deceive and so whatever flavor of deception appeals, the devil will gladly supply

 

The devil knows exactly what he is doing as Paul wrote Another reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything. 10Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, 11in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

 

 

This indicates a thinking spirit...we are warned that he can outwit us.  

 

some say yes, he may be a roaring lion, but he has no teeth.  Actually he has very sharp teeth, but Christ has already won the victory for us....however, to obtain that victory,

one must wear their spiritual armor and sometimes fight spiritual battles

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You guys have some really good posts here, thank you.

 

Even if the devil ends up killing a believer and deceiving us in the end, we go straight to the Lord anyways.

 

So it's pretty much check mate for the devil in the end, since this life is only temporary.

 

My mind is on the eternal, for sure.

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satan cannot act wisely, since he has forsaken Wisdom (Jesus).

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Satan doesn't care one iota about the lost. His goal is to make the life a believer as miserable as possible (as he knows that he has lost us foreever), and to make it as difficult as possible for Christians to reach the lost. He does this by all the senseless killing, accidents, abortions,.....anything that would cause a person to say "how can a 'Loving GOD' allow this to happen?" and thus reject Christ. He knows what the Bile says, he knows every word has come true so far and has to know that every prophacy to come will happen also, so his goal is to destroy Israel and the Jewish nation. But, he knows he can never win, even though he is undoutedly conceited enough to think that he can still succeed, just as he did when he rebelled.

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you seem to know so little about Lucifer.......   what his goals are and what he's currently doing....

 

That's probably a good thing...      He really hasn't given up and probably won't until they are completely kicked out of the upper dimensions....   when that happens he's gonna take it out on us...    but he still has hopes..   When you get totally full of yourself, it's hard to see reality...     but unfortunately I don't know all the details and sometimes I wish didn't know what I do....

 

I'm still trying to figure out why the Father didn't just squish him like a bug.....    but like the devil himself there are a whole lot of things I don't know.    But this I do know.....   if Michael the Archangel wouldn't confront Lucifer or talk down to him, I'm surely not going to either.

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