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Story: Professor Fails Entire Class After Experiment


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Story: Professor Fails Entire Class After Experiment

 

This story was circulated back in 2013. While details were shown not to be true the basic principle of the story is sound: communism/socialism doesn’t work. Many people today around the world, not just in the United States, aspire to work for the government. In many cases these are good paying jobs with few incentives for creativity or improvement.

 

 

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

 

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on this socialistic plan. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A” He decided to substitute grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all students.

 

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied less.

 

The second test average was a D! Needless to say no one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.  As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

 

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great. But when government takes all the rewards or incentives away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.



 

Wayne Dupree of the Independent Journal Review outlines the, “5 best sentences you’ll ever read on this experiment”:

 

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

 

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

 

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

 

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

 

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.



 

 

Something to consider for sure. 
What do you think of socialism? What do you make of the story and 5 points above?

God bless,

GE



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This may be a hoax. Ive heard this story for years.

 

It is however what would happen in such a class. My hubby and I have talked about this. He works very hard at his job and there are always rumors that society wants to cut health care wages. If that happens, he has no incentive to put in those long hours working as hard as he does when he could have a much easier job. Doctors are already fleeing health care because of this. 



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http://www.theguardi...-thomas-piketty

 

The problem with socialism, is SIN.

The problem with capitalism is SIN.

There is no perfect system because all systems are full of sinful people.

Perhaps we could ask this question, is it better to have a system where all people are equal? Or one where people are valued differently? Which is more Biblical?



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http://www.theguardi...-thomas-piketty

 

The problem with socialism, is SIN.

The problem with capitalism is SIN.

There is no perfect system because all systems are full of sinful people.

Perhaps we could ask this question, is it better to have a system where all people are equal? Or one where people are valued differently? Which is more Biblical?

 

Socialism isnt biblical either. In socialism there is no real equality either and it is a forced system of provision, one that rewards people who do not work and can work, which violates scripture. 



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This may be a hoax. Ive heard this story for years.

Yes I believe that was disclosed in the OP sister. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Story: Professor Fails Entire Class After Experiment

 

This story was circulated back in 2013. While details were shown not to be true the basic principle of the story is sound: communism/socialism doesn’t work. Many people today around the world, not just in the United States, aspire to work for the government. In many cases these are good paying jobs with few incentives for creativity or improvement.

 

 

Something to consider for sure. 
What do you think of socialism? What do you make of the story and 5 points above?

God bless,

GE

 



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This may be a hoax. Ive heard this story for years.

Yes I believe that was disclosed in the OP sister. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Story: Professor Fails Entire Class After Experiment

 

This story was circulated back in 2013. While details were shown not to be true the basic principle of the story is sound: communism/socialism doesn’t work. Many people today around the world, not just in the United States, aspire to work for the government. In many cases these are good paying jobs with few incentives for creativity or improvement.

 

 

Something to consider for sure. 
What do you think of socialism? What do you make of the story and 5 points above?

God bless,

GE

 

 

 

Oh sorry GE. That should teach me for posting while fretting over hubby and watching tv. 

 

I dislike socialism. It stifles real progress. It ultimately dehumanizes and crushes a society.



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http://www.theguardi...-thomas-piketty

 

The problem with socialism, is SIN.

The problem with capitalism is SIN.

There is no perfect system because all systems are full of sinful people.

Perhaps we could ask this question, is it better to have a system where all people are equal? Or one where people are valued differently? Which is more Biblical?

 

It has less to do with being valued differently or equal and more to do with people wanting a free lunch. As we know there is no such thing as a free lunch. (see Milton Friedman)



Please provide Biblical backing to support a system where all are equal and not valued differently. Curious. :no idea:

But the Bible also does have a lot to say about the subject. 


Proverbs 10:4
Poor is he who works with a negligent hand, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.



Proverbs 12:24
The hand of the diligent will rule, but the slack hand will be put to forced labor.



Proverbs 14:23

In all labor there is profit
, but mere talk leads only to poverty.



Proverbs 20:4
The sluggard does not plow after the autumn, so he begs during the harvest and has nothing.



2 Thessalonians 3:10-11
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.




What do you think friend?

God bless,

GE




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It is however what would happen in such a class. My hubby and I have talked about this. He works very hard at his job and there are always rumors that society wants to cut health care wages. If that happens, he has no incentive to put in those long hours working as hard as he does when he could have a much easier job. Doctors are already fleeing health care because of this. 

Yes, I would agree with you. This story while not true would show students that socialism isn't the answer. 

I have friends who are either in the medical field or studying to be in the medical field. Many are retiring early or looking for other types of employment. 

God bless,

GE



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Oh sorry GE. That should teach me for posting while fretting over hubby and watching tv. 

 

I dislike socialism. It stifles real progress. It ultimately dehumanizes and crushes a society.

 

No worries sister. :thumbsup: 

Lol. I figured. 

I believe socialism stifles real progress too. It seems like the younger generations in particular have an infatuation with it. In many countries the goal is to find a government job that provides security (in other words they can't fire you) and stick with it. Just put in your time and you'll get promoted regardless of your effort, creativity, etc. Sad really. :(

God bless,

GE



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Saying that socialism is about handing out freebies for lazy people, is like saying capitalism is about exploiting the poor for the sake of the rich.

Socialism is about supporting the poor who find themselves in difficult positions. This is quite biblical.

The fact that it is exploited by lazy people, is not necessarily the fault of socialism is it?

Just like, the fact that capitalism is used to exploit poor people in the non-western world isn't the fault of capitalism.



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Socialism is about forcibly taking from those who produce to give to others. That is not biblical. 



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Socialism is about forcibly taking from those who produce to give to others. That is not biblical. 

 

Isn't Lev 19:9-10 a form of socialism?



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Socialism is about forcibly taking from those who produce to give to others. That is not biblical. 

 

Isn't Lev 19:9-10 a form of socialism?

 

 

Notice that the poor work for the grain in that passage. They do not sit at home collecting checks.

 

The bible makes it clear that those who do not work should not eat. So in that regard the only ones who should collect checks are those who are not physically able to work. And that should be something the people voluntarily take care of. Not forceably take care of through the govt. And not to those who are able to work but choose not to. 



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In Maoist China they had the same problem. I was told this by a Chinese guide when I visited there, nearly ten years ago. He told me that there were food shortages because hardly anybody worked the fields. Everybody was paid the same no matter what they did. There were lazy farm-workers who just sat back and let the keener ones do all the work, and eventually the keener ones stopped trying because they had to work twice as hard to cover for their lazy brothers. In the end Mao had a lot of them arrested or shot including the hard-working ones because he was unhappy with the productivity rate, and they were all labelled enemies of the people.

Needless to say, after this the productivity rate fell even further.



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Concerning the "help the poor" video:  There are so many scam artists around that it would be difficult to determine the motives of someone with just a sign. I might give to the salvation army because I know who they are, but someone with just a sign, I would not.



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There is a dynamics between the three things: "the helping hand"; "the controlling hand"; and "self-reliance". The helping hand works best at the local level because there  it is more efficient in judging between true needs and manipulative activity. The helping and controlling hand is always detrimental to self-reliance. It is often the case that the helping hand corrupts into the controlling hand or the controlling hand comes in disguised as a helping hand. ............... I believe that what works and what does not is contingent upon the overall character and competence of the people involved regardless of what ideology is set in place whether it is capitalism, dogmatic socialism, or pragmatic socialism. The demonic will always find a way regardless of what kind of economic policy is being used: monetarist or neo-keysian fiscal policy. When there is a structure in which it is possible for some to get private gain at public expense, it is sure to happen as it did in the first decade of the 21st century.


Edited by gamnot, 16 April 2014 - 02:11 PM.


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Under socialism, you wind up with a handful of very wealthy people in government, and a nation full of paupers, who have no hope of ever becoming more than the government allows.  They are slaves of the state.  If you haven't read it, you should read the book by Glen Beck, "Agenda 21."  It describes a society that is about as socialist as you can get.  I heard that it was actually written by a woman, and Glen Beck took it and fixed it up where it could be published, and it was done under his name.  Anyway, it will certainly make you think. 



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Under socialism, you wind up with a handful of very wealthy people in government, and a nation full of paupers, who have no hope of ever becoming more than the government allows.  They are slaves of the state.  If you haven't read it, you should read the book by Glen Beck, "Agenda 21."  It describes a society that is about as socialist as you can get.  I heard that it was actually written by a woman, and Glen Beck took it and fixed it up where it could be published, and it was done under his name.  Anyway, it will certainly make you think. 

 

Under Capitalism you wind up with a handful of very wealthy people who put in puppet politicians and a nation full of paupers, who have no hope of ever becoming more than the oligarchy allow.

Read the article I posted - this is what it says. This is the end result of Capitalism. Doesn't seem to be much different does it?



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Socialism is about forcibly taking from those who produce to give to others. That is not biblical. 

 

Isn't Lev 19:9-10 a form of socialism?

 

 

Of interest when looking at the passage Lev. 19 in context Lev. 19:9-10 was instruction given to Israel. The audience was God giving instruction to Moses who was to pass it on to Israel.

Lev. 19:1-2, 9-10
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

“Speak to all the congregation of the people of Israel and say to them, You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy.

“When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. 10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

So in context the "you" and "your" in verses 9 and 10 are a reference to Israel as seen by verse 2. Israel was a theocracy at the time. So, no sorry this passage doesn't support a form of socialism. Are there other passages you'd like to discuss? Did you want to discuss what I listed before on post #7?

 

God bless,

GE



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No Hashe.  Under capitalism, we are not all at the same level, and we don't have to remain where we are.  I know that first hand.  I was in the poverty class, and was able to make choices that put me in the middle class.  If I was willing to take chances, it would be possible to move up higher.  Under socialism, the masses are the same, and only the government leaders have wealth.  There are all kinds of stories of people going from poverty to becoming wealthy in America.  You won't find that in places like Cuba. 






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