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How are we Christians to treat the un converted, in view of how Jesus spoke to Peter, who at that time was also un converted ?

Mat 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance [fn] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."

ESV Footnote: (16:23) Greek stumbling block

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Edwin.

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Treat them with respect and kindness.

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coming from the point of view of ex-atheist, do not as for starters even try to proceed with anything religious per se. At least before you get to learn how the other person feels about things like that, if it's ok go for it, OR if you feel 100% sure God is leading you forward about it, follow the instructions. Even so, being able to discern spirits might be useful. The devil just loves to blow our ministering other people, and the second easiest way to ramble after not ministering at all is to over-minister. If you get to feed them with the gospel in a neutral way, remember to always leave them a bit hungry for more, if you know what I mean. Let us just say, there have more times than I would prefer, when I have come to realize a bit too late that I should already have shut up and let God finish the thing. Just talking about it is not enough.

 

Does that mean we should wipe our faith under the carpet every time we need someone who's not familiar with Jesus on a personal level? Most certainly not, but do minister with your being, how you are as a person in God, and with your deeds and acts. If people find you somehow different and interesting, as if there is something about you they cannot grasp but feel is what they would like to have or know, then you are doing good job as a minister of God. Even if you had not spoken one single word about the gospel. By the time they really want to know what it is you have, Jesus will get all the credit when sharing your faith.

 

Because God should not be a dead phrase of man made institution, but the source of that living power within you. This is my view, of course which I would not force feed down anyone's throat, only answering the question being asked here.

 

We are representatives of Heaven. That alone puts a standard in how we go about our business. It's not that I am a better person than anyone else no matter what they believe, but I do my best to keep Him in my heart, so He keeps me in His. But life situations change, some day we may find ourselves in a position we would never have thought of, and at times it's not even funny. The bright morning star fell, the son of man came to serve and suffer terrible pain for our sins. That alone explains it. Even though we may be proud of having that amazing Father, let us not become ever full of ourselves. God forbid me ever going that way.

 

Then of course, if you really are on it and the Holy Spirit is breathing down on your neck, let the gates of heaven open. It's not like we should be ashamed of having that amazing God  :biggrinflip:

 

Probably you will find your own style how to proceed, and most certainly God will soon enough intervene with that to make it sure it's not about formulas. Because He's the God of Creation, not repetition.

 

Maybe you have something better to deal with this, and I'm all for learning how to serve better.

 

As the Lord instructed us, pray ceaselessly. And even more so with those you struggle in the darkness. Because in Him there is life, and that life is our light.

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That is a really excellent question....

 

Matt 5:43-48

43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor , and hate your enemy.'  44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same? 47 "And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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And it's in Red because Jesus said it....

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Treat them with respect and kindness.

Yep....I agree with you on this OakWood.

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If there are people who you cannot treat as brothers, at least you can treat them as neighbors. Some people want to go from the other-hood of man to the brotherhood of man and that is just too much of a leap. The neighbor-hood should be sufficient.

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In my early days as a Christian, I took every opportunity to present the Gospel. Most of the time I was understandably rejected. I was not really seeing the other as a person so much. Now I wonder how many friendships I short circuited, offering the opportunity to witness as an outgrowth of friendships.

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How are we Christians to treat the un converted, in view of how Jesus spoke to Peter, who at that time was also un converted ?

Mat 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance [fn] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."

ESV Footnote: (16:23) Greek stumbling block

Thank you.

Edwin.

 

 

“how are we to treat unbeliever's?” The same way we would like to be treated by others.

 

Luke 6 :31

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

 

 

This particular passage you posted, isn't speaking of sharing the gospel. It is a short and to the point statement to Satan (adversary) . Satan was standing in the way, trying to hinder Jesus from doing what he came to accomplish. “Get behind me” is a way of saying. . . Your in my way. Move out of my way !! Satan had tried this earlier in the wilderness offering an alternative to death on the cross. And here he is again trying to get Jesus to compromise.

 

Matthew 16:16

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

 

In the above verse Peter was expressing God's will and at the moment had the things of God in mind. Peter as well as the others did not fully grasp the true purpose of the messiah's coming. As Peter listened to what Jesus was saying about his mission, his mind drifted back on human thoughts and ideals of this world. His own plans and ambitions. Unwittingly setting himself up to be Satan's mouthpiece. Jesus' rebuke was aimed at the real source of Peter's thoughts. The rebuke also served to bring Peter's focus which was now off track. . . back onto the things of God.

 

 

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Now there have been people who have not been so nice.I am not a doormat.I will tell them so.

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I treat them as I treat anyone else. Like how I would want to be treated. I come across them more then I do fellow  Christians. If they like me and think I am cool to hang out with, then great. If not then whatever. I have never only had Christian friends. In fact finding a Christian friend is a rare thing for me. So far in my whole life I have only had maybe 2 friends that were Christians. They are just hard to find. Then they have to like me as well. And sometimes I am just too weird for people.

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How are we Christians to treat the un converted, in view of how Jesus spoke to Peter, who at that time was also un converted ?

Mat 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance [fn] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."

ESV Footnote: (16:23) Greek stumbling block

Thank you.

Edwin.

 

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

 

How did Jesus talk to sinners?  Well, there is your answer.  He was tender and caring and careful and truthful with them.  His harshest words, however, were reserved for those who DISTORTED THE TRUTH (such as Pharisees, and yes, even Peter who was well-meaning, but wrong).  Religious people Jesus was very harsh with.  People who distorted the Truth, He was very harsh with.  But the common folk, and especially those who were seeking and hurting, He was very gentle with.

 

And with those who were on the right path, He would simply admonish and encourage them to do better, and believe deeper.

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I am friendly to them.  Why wouldn't I be?  It is not like we are to go about looking for all their faults and jumping on them for them.  They are sinners, so they will naturally sin.  They need the message of the gospel, and if they are not interested, so be it.  Beating them up won't cause them to convert. 

 

Peter is an interesting example.  Jesus didn't rebuke Peter for being unconverted.  Jesus simply pointed out that the statement Peter had made showed he was in the wrong spirit.  He was rebuking the spirit behind the statement, not attacking Peter personally.  He didn't say, "Get thee behind me Peter."  He said, "Get thee behind me Satan."  The devil was speaking through Peter, because he didn't want Jesus to fulfil his mission. 

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I must say that it is beyond me how one would think that Peter was unconverted in Mat 16. How we treat others depends on the others, the situation, and above all, the leading of the Spirit. We recall how the Lord Jesus treated the Pharisees, like Woe to you, scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites. And we recall how he treated others in different situations; how He said, "Come unto me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Of course we are to love neighbor as self. "Who is wise and understanding among you? let him show by his good life his works in meekness of wisdom. " "Moreover he must have good testimony from them that are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." Wisdom requires praying and trusting the Lord for wisdom. Now for $64,000, tell me how I can remember to do that before I shoot from the hip?

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We must first see unbelievers as God does. They are lost, futile in their own imaginations. They are those for whom Jesus died. For God so loved the world---. He traded the life of His own Son for them. So we pray for them and ask God for an opportunity to share the gospel with them. We love them with the love of the Lord.

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Love them.

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First of all, treat them the way Christ will treat them. Loving them, staying humble towards them, and having much compassion. Most important of all, do not be quick to judge.

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How are we Christians to treat the un converted, in view of how Jesus spoke to Peter, who at that time was also un converted ?

Mat 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance [fn] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."

ESV Footnote: (16:23) Greek stumbling block

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Edwin.

You are to love them. Be the first to help them. Be patient, understanding, meek, and humble.

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IT is wrong to say that Peter was 'unconverted' when Jesus spoke to him. He was following Jesus. Sure he didn't understand everything at that point, but he left everything to follow Jesus. Hard to think of many today that show the same commitment level to Jesus, so using that passage as a basis to treat 'non-Christians' is entirely wrong.

 

As has been pointed out, we should 'love our enemies', which are often the non-believers.

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Tell me Hashe.

 

How much love is Jesus showing to Peter when he said to him, "Get behind me, Satan!

 

Mat 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance [fn] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on

the things of man."

 

Would you say that to anyone?

 

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Jude: "20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the LOVE of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And on some have MERCY, who are in doubt; 23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. " Titus 1 "10   For there are many unruly men, vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped;" 2 Cor 5 14 For the love of Christ constrains us; because we thus judge, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15 and he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again. 16 Wherefore we henceforth KNOW NO MAN AFTER THE FLESH;[b/]

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Atwood.

 

In your post of 22 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, you comment,

 

"I must say that it is beyond me how one would think that Peter was unconverted in Mat 16."

 

Then how do you account for what Peter said some 10 chapters later on?
 
Mat 26:74 Then he began to invoke a curse on himself and to swear, "I do not know the man." And immediately the rooster crowed. 
Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the saying of Jesus, "Before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times." And he went out and wept bitterly. 

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Hashe, you say,

 

"IT is wrong to say that Peter was 'unconverted' when Jesus spoke to him"

 

Then how do you account for what Peter said some 10 chapters later on?
 
Mat 26:74 Then he began to invoke a curse on himself and to swear, "I do not know the man." And immediately the rooster crowed.
Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the saying of Jesus, "Before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times." And he went out and wept bitterly.

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Blessings Edwin....

     If I may ,,,,,it is not that Peter was unconverted but in fact he was not yet fully committed as  is shown us in John 2:24,& until that time Jesus did not give His Spirit to the apostles.................they were not yet indwelled with the Holy Spirit because Jesus had not yet died

    When we are  in the company of non-believers we must always be an example of Christ & treat everyone with love & kindness,this is not to say we should stay where we are not welcome or received as Jesus told his disciples to simply kick the dust off their feet & move on to the next city(or house,paraphrasing Matt 10:14) What is most important is that we walk in spirit & in truth,following the direction of the Holy Spirit.If we stay out of Gods way & let Him move through us then His Will will be done according to the purpose of our calling.

      The best way to preach the Gospel is to live it ,to be doers of the Word & act accordingly as Ambassadors for Christ........always remember how Jesus accepted & loved us while we were yet in sin,with open arms......

                                                                                                                                                    With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

Also,Peter was just a man,he felt alone,afraid & probably abandoned not yet understanding what had just happened....he feared for his life & spoke out of fear........another example of the apostle being human & Christs forgiveness,it helps us to see that they were not unlike ourselves and the Grace of God

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Thank you kwikphilly for your post. In which you say,

 

"If I may ,,,,,it is not that Peter was unconverted but in fact he was not yet fully committed as  is shown us in John 2:24,& until that time Jesus did not give His Spirit to the apostles.................they were not yet indwelled with the Holy Spirit because Jesus had not yet died"

 

Amen: I fact none of the disciples were, as is indicated in the following verses,

 

Jhn 20:19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, [fn] Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." 
Jhn 20:20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 
Jhn 20:21 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you." 
Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 

 

ESV Footnote: (20:19) Greek Ioudaioi probably refers here to Jewish religious leaders, and others under their influence, in that time

 

Act 1:3 He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God. 
Act 1:4 And while staying [fn] with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me; 
Act 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with [fn] the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

 

ESV Footnote: (1:4) Or eating

 

May the Lord bless you, and keep you safe.

 

Edwin.

 

 

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Hashe, you say,

 

"IT is wrong to say that Peter was 'unconverted' when Jesus spoke to him"

 

Then how do you account for what Peter said some 10 chapters later on?

 

Mat 26:74 Then he began to invoke a curse on himself and to swear, "I do not know the man." And immediately the rooster crowed.

Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the saying of Jesus, "Before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times." And he went out and wept bitterly.

 

Just because Peter failed in one instance, doesn't mean he wasn't converted.

Do you think all converted people don't make mistakes? Or are sometimes afraid to speak up to say they belong to Jesus?

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