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Rosicrucians are Cristians or not?

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ProzacR

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Rosicrucians use Rosy Cross as their symbol so it is easy to assume that they are Christians. And in wikipedia you can find something like this:

"Rosicrucianism was associated with Protestantism, Lutheranism in particular", but some web pages label them as of the Devil like here:

 

http://www.jesus-is-...icrucianism.htm

 

On the other hand it is easy to find something contraversional in few 700+ pages books and then "expose" like that.

 

I would be glad if somebody explain relations between Rosicrucians and Christians.



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Welcome to worthy , this section of the forum is dedicated to saying hello and introducing yourself.

Other members see that you have just joined and can reply to you, welcoming you to Worthy.

 

For now I will just answer your question quickly.  

 

The Rosicrucians believe the following: 

Jesus Christ: According to Rosicrucianism, He was born of Gentile parents, did not die on the cross, did not ascend to heaven, and retired to the monastery in Carmel to carry on secret missions with His apostles.

Salvation: Rosicrucianism denies that a person must trust Christ as the only Saviour. 

The Bible: Rosicrucianism rejects the divine authorship of the Bible.

 

Their teachings are false and are to be avoided.

 

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Now a question from me , who is Jesus to you? 



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Welcome to Worthy. As ncn says - Jesus dying on the cross and being raised for our sins is fundamental to Christian faith.



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Thanks, I wanted to add my question to proper place, but was not allowed. Hopefully it was not big trouble.

 

I really come here just because of this issue. What is confusing that is hard to base some of those acusations on Rosicrusians books...

Maybe I extract something myself...:

Please judge idea that Essenes educated Jesus so then Christ (spirit) was able to use his body. It is heresy again right because it separates Jesus and Christ into 2?



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Once you make 5 posts you will have access to the rest of the forums and will be able to start threads on other forums within WCF on topics that interest you.

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Here is an extract from Worthy's Statement of Faith. 

 

Statement of Faith

We believe in God, the almighty creator of heaven and earth.

We believe in the triunity of God. We believe that God is eternally One, and also eternally the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — the three being distinct, but not separate.

Each Person of the Godhead coexists from everlasting to everlasting.

We believe in the Messiah, Jesus, God’s only begotten son, God come in the flesh. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary.

He suffered under Pontius Pilate. He was crucified, died and buried.

On the third day, He rose again. Soon afterward He ascended into heaven.

Now He is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will return to judge both the living and the dead and reign for evermore.

 

http://www.worthynet...tement-of-faith

 

God Bless you, 

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I believe in Jesus ofc. and know that.

 

And I found in Rosicrussian book this statement:

"When the Savior Christ Jesus was crucified His body was pierced in five places;"

So statement that "according to Rosicrucianism, He was born of Gentile parents, did not die on the cross, did not ascend to heaven, and retired to the monastery in Carmel to carry on secret missions with His apostles" is wrong. It is all so confusing.



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Brother you should not be reading these books. 

 

I'd also now politely ask you to refrain from  posting quotes referring to this false teaching in the Welcome Forum  

 

Read the Word and do not read false teachings 

 

2Ti 3:16
" All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, "
 
 
Build your life on solid ground
 
Mat 7:24  Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock.  
 
God Bless you and may you find what you seek in HIS Word
 
Nigel. 


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Ok, thanks. I wil do as you say.



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Welcome to Worthy, ProzacR. I do hope you find ncn and his expertise enlightening. He is both highly honored and greatly admired here. We have many other biblical scholars as well. I'm sure if you're up for a bit of humble pie so to speak, you should come to the conclusion, that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. And you're certainly welcome for the opportunity to see the erroneous doctrine of the Rosicrucian belief. Once you obtain 5 posts for membership, this topic can be directed in the appropriate forum, for extensive discussion. But, you're on the way and everything will go accordingly.

God bless you,

David/BeauJangles 



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Welcome to the Forums.
I am sure you will get responses to your query which you can discuss in other subforums after you make five worthy posts.

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I went to the web site of the group in question. It quotes the koran, the Muslim holy book. It speaks of a lot of mysticism and meditation, reincarnation, karma, telepathy, auras and such that is new age garbage and more like an eastern religion of hindu origin--defenitely not Christian and not of God.

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I believe in Jesus ofc. and know that.

 

And I found in Rosicrussian book this statement:

"When the Savior Christ Jesus was crucified His body was pierced in five places;"

So statement that "according to Rosicrucianism, He was born of Gentile parents, did not die on the cross, did not ascend to heaven, and retired to the monastery in Carmel to carry on secret missions with His apostles" is wrong. It is all so confusing.

 

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Guardians of the Grail by J. R. Church.

 

This book is one of the better and safe things I've read to get insight into the teachings of the Rosicrucians

 

The details and history within JR's book should alert you to the occultic side of Rosicrucianism.    It isn't something you really want to be involved in.    And I'd be careful of getting inside the books written by the Rosicrucians, for they can take you very deeply into the spiritual realm around us in very destructive ways.



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Ok thanks all.

I also noticed that completely fake Rosicrussian sites are set with random contradictionary texts probably just to scam money.



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Welcome~!

 

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I would be glad if somebody explain relations between Rosicrucians and Christians.

 

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Rosicrucians

 

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

 

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

 

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

 

Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

 

Their feet are swift to shed blood:

 

Destruction and misery are in their ways:

 

And the way of peace have they not known:

 

There is no fear of God before their eyes. Romans 3:10-18

 

The ancient Rosicrucian Brotherhood consisted of high spiritual beings who had advanced far beyond ordinary man in purity and spiritual wisdom. http://www.querycat....3234fc6c6ea44e7

 

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

 

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

 

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

 

Christians

 

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

 

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24



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Welcome to Worthy!

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I also advice for spiritual caution with any extra-biblical books. They may succumb you to the influences that open you for the principalities behind the agenda.

 

It's not like we are religiously fixated, rather spiritually experienced about the differences between various streams of spirituality.

 

Many mystic sects combine doctrines from every which way, to make it seem neutral and tolerant. That will appear enticing for the people of today, and that's part of the deceit. Make it seem great and people will buy into it. But not everything that glitters is gold.

 

Many of us here have gone the long and rocky road with these issues, lost in the dark while thinking we were in the light, because the light of the fallen one is not real light of God.

 

I pray you don't have to go that way I've been. It was only worth for me to warn others from doing the same.



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Amen~!



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Hello Prozac, and welcome to Worthy.

 

Rosicrucians are most definitely not Christian.  They fall under gnostic, mason, and yes even islamic beliefs.  Instead of teaching that Jesus is the Way, they teach as did gnostic that men need a secretive knowledge to get to God.

 

Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man cometh unto the Father but by Me.

John 14:6

 

10)  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11)  This is the Stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the Head of the Corner.

12)  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Acts 4:10-12

The only knowledge that one need to go heaven, is to believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour, Romans 10:9-10  This is not secret knowledge but the message of the Gospel.  In today world you need to purchase a ticket to get just about anywhere, so with God if you want to get to heaven you have to accept Jesus Blood which He shed on the Cross as your free ticket to the Kingdom of Heaven.



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Ok thanks all.
I also noticed that completely fake Rosicrussian sites are set with random contradictionary texts probably just to scam money.

You have still not answered ncn.

Who is The Lord Jesus Christ to you?

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Ok thanks all.
I also noticed that completely fake Rosicrussian sites are set with random contradictionary texts probably just to scam money.

You have still not answered ncn.

Who is The Lord Jesus Christ to you?

 

Savior






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