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Has anybody seen this movie, if so what do you think?  
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HanC,  I have several friends who have seen the movie and read the book.....   They all tell me that the Book is better.

 

Is it for real......   that's over my head.   It's hard to think of it as a total hoax, but I guess that is possible.

 

We will try and see the movie this week and I'll get the book to read on a coming fishing trip.

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i read the book. i highly recommend the paperback. i've heard the movie leaves way too much out and does a good job of "hollywoodizing" some aspects. i'll see it when it comes to amazon, but movies are never as good as the book, so i'm not expecting much. 

 

i don't believe the boy's experience, as told by his dad, was a hoax. i believe he saw a vision, and i believe it was from God. i do not believe that categorizing it as an NDE as many have is accurate. the proceeds from the book go to christian charities... i have no idea where the proceeds from the movie will go. can't really tell ya much else.

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Thanks OtherOne, I saw it last night with a group from a Bible study I attend, I thought it was pretty good.  However, when I got home I saw on my FB news feed that John MacArthur really tore into it calling it evil.

 

LadyC Thanks for the feedback, I think the kid was being honest too.   

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Thanks OtherOne, I saw it last night with a group from a Bible study I attend, I thought it was pretty good.  However, when I got home I saw on my FB news feed that John MacArthur really tore into it calling it evil.

 

LadyC Thanks for the feedback, I think the kid was being honest too.   

Yes,John MacArthur had some pretty bad things to say about it.

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Bopeep, what is your take on the film? 

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I'm not much on reading anymore, but I'll see the movie when I can for $5 or less. LadyC why do you say it's not an authentic NDE?  Assuming they didn't make up the whole thing for money, I think it meets the requirements of a NDE. I read the famous book on NDE's by Moody back in the 70's or early 80's. He had 3 requirements for something to be a genuine NDE, and  admit I don't remember all 3. But one of the most important ones was to know something you couldn't know unless your spirit left your body. This kid knowing his mother was in 1 room praying, while his father was in another room screaming, qualifies. But it goes beyond a NDE because he knew his mother had a miscarriage before him. I can't imagine any parents telling a 4 year old that Mommy almost had a baby before you. That would raise too many questions and I don't see how it would benefit a 4 year old to know such a thing. So IMO this story is either a total hoax, or it's the honest truth of what the child experienced.  Which doesn't mean what he says he saw is the real Heaven. But I think he was being honest in what his 4 year old mind saw.

 

I'm skeptical about 2 things. I don't think there are animals in Heaven. I don't think angels nor Jesus has wings. But it's just MO, I can be 100% wrong.

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i didn't say it was NOT an NDE, i said i do not believe that it was. i don't know a whole lot about NDE's but the way i understand them, the person who had them has usually died before being resuscitated. this kid never died. not even close. he was just under anesthesia during surgery. the doctors monitoring him during surgery never had any indication that he was in danger of dying. it was a typical day in the O.R. for them.

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Bopeep, what is your take on the film? 

I don't go to movies.

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i didn't say it was NOT an NDE, i said i do not believe that it was. i don't know a whole lot about NDE's but the way i understand them, the person who had them has usually died before being resuscitated. this kid never died. not even close. he was just under anesthesia during surgery. the doctors monitoring him during surgery never had any indication that he was in danger of dying. it was a typical day in the O.R. for them.

Right you can only die once.Once you are dead there is no coming back.These people have claimed to have left their bodies at some point from some life threatening experience.I am wondering if the anesthesia could have given him this experience.Many who have been depleted of oxygen or have taken certain drugs have had the same experience.

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I read the book yesterday afternoon and evening....

 

I think I would have to know the people personally to say that this is for real.    It is quite a remarkable story.

 

It's a dangerous thing to call the work of the Holy Spirit a fake or assign it to the dark side.....    I don't think I am going to even talk about it any longer for safety sake..

 

Joel 2:28
That I will pour out My
Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams ,
Your young men will see visions.
NASB
 

 

Acts 2:17

17'And it shall be in the last days,' God says,
'That I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind;
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams
NASB

 

I do believe that it is scripturally possible....   however it's another thing to say it's true.

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i didn't say it was NOT an NDE, i said i do not believe that it was. i don't know a whole lot about NDE's but the way i understand them, the person who had them has usually died before being resuscitated. this kid never died. not even close. he was just under anesthesia during surgery. the doctors monitoring him during surgery never had any indication that he was in danger of dying. it was a typical day in the O.R. for them.

Right you can only die once.Once you are dead there is no coming back.These people have claimed to have left their bodies at some point from some life threatening experience.I am wondering if the anesthesia could have given him this experience.Many who have been depleted of oxygen or have taken certain drugs have had the same experience.

 

Lots of people in the bible died and came back....Lazarus was dead four days and came back.

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i didn't say it was NOT an NDE, i said i do not believe that it was. i don't know a whole lot about NDE's but the way i understand them, the person who had them has usually died before being resuscitated. this kid never died. not even close. he was just under anesthesia during surgery. the doctors monitoring him during surgery never had any indication that he was in danger of dying. it was a typical day in the O.R. for them.

Right you can only die once.Once you are dead there is no coming back.These people have claimed to have left their bodies at some point from some life threatening experience.I am wondering if the anesthesia could have given him this experience.Many who have been depleted of oxygen or have taken certain drugs have had the same experience.

 

Lots of people in the bible died and came back....Lazarus was dead three days and came back.

 

Who else besides Lazarus died for three days and then came back?

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I didn't say they were all dead four days, just that several died and came back...and that Lazarus was dead four days before he came back. You said once you are dead there is no coming back and that is just not so.

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i didn't say it was NOT an NDE, i said i do not believe that it was. i don't know a whole lot about NDE's but the way i understand them, the person who had them has usually died before being resuscitated. this kid never died. not even close. he was just under anesthesia during surgery. the doctors monitoring him during surgery never had any indication that he was in danger of dying. it was a typical day in the O.R. for them.

Right you can only die once.Once you are dead there is no coming back.These people have claimed to have left their bodies at some point from some life threatening experience.I am wondering if the anesthesia could have given him this experience.Many who have been depleted of oxygen or have taken certain drugs have had the same experience.

 

Lots of people in the bible died and came back....Lazarus was dead three days and came back.

 

Who else besides Lazarus died for three days and then came back?

 

 

There were 8 people in the bible who came back from the dead in the bible, and one passage in Matthew that talks about alot of people raised from the dead at once.

 

1 Kings 17:19 “Give me your son,” Elijah replied. He took him from her arms, carried him to the upper room where he was staying, and laid him on his bed. 20 Then he cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, have you brought tragedy even on this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die?” 21 Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, let this boy’s life return to him!”

22 The Lord heard Elijah’s cry, and the boy’s life returned to him, and he lived

 

2 Kings 4:32 When Elisha came into the house, there was the child, lying dead on his bed.  33 He went in therefore, shut the door behind the two of them, and prayed to the Lord.  34 And he went up and lay on the child, and put his mouth on his mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hands on his hands; and he stretched himself out on the child, and the flesh of the child became warm.  35 He returned and walked back and forth in the house, and again went up and stretched himself out on him; then the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes.  36 And he called Gehazi and said, “Call this Shunammite woman.” So he called her. And when she came in to him, he said, “Pick up your son.”  37 So she went in, fell at his feet, and bowed to the ground; then she picked up her son and went out.

 

2 Kings 13:21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.

 

Mark 5:38 Then He came to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and saw a tumult and those who wept and wailed loudly.  39 When He came in, He said to them, “Why make this commotion and weep? The child is not dead, but sleeping.”

40 And they ridiculed Him. But when He had put them all outside, He took the father and the mother of the child, and those who were with Him, and entered where the child was lying.  41 Then He took the child by the hand, and said to her, “Talitha, cumi,” which is translated, “Little girl, I say to you, arise.”

 

Luke 7:12 And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her.  13 When the Lord saw her, He had compassion on her and said to her, “Do not weep.”  14 Then He came and touched the open coffin, and those who carried him stood still. And He said, “Young man, I say to you, arise.”  15 So he who was dead sat up and began to speak. And He presented him to his mother.

 

John 11:43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.

 

Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all out, and knelt down and prayed. And turning to the body he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter she sat up.  41 Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive.  42 And it became known throughout all Joppa, and many believed on the Lord.             

 

Acts 20:9 And in a window sat a certain young man named Eutychus, who was sinking into a deep sleep. He was overcome by sleep; and as Paul continued speaking, he fell down from the third story and was taken up dead.  10 But Paul went down, fell on him, and embracing him said, “Do not trouble yourselves, for his life is in him.”  11 Now when he had come up, had broken bread and eaten, and talked a long while, even till daybreak, he departed.  12 And they brought the young man in alive, and they were not a little comforted.

 

Matthew 27:51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

 

Also it's important to  note that Jesus comissioned His disciples to raise the dead.

 

Matthew 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’  8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

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um, for the record, i never said someone couldn't be brought back to life after dying. i said the little boy in the film was never even close to death. he was simply under anesthesia.

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No ma'am, bo peep said it in response to you

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I think that if Jesus really wants us to know that he is giving us that experience Lazarus would have expressed that in the Bible.That he would have said that he died for three days and tell us what that was like and that experience was going to be available to us.We do not know what Jesus told Lazarus after He brought him back to life.All I know is that the experience he had was never documented.

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I think that if Jesus really wants us to know that he is giving us that experience Lazarus would have expressed that in the Bible.That he would have said that he died for three days and tell us what that was like and that experience was going to be available to us.We do not know what Jesus told Lazarus after He brought him back to life.All I know is that the experience he had was never documented.

True, it wasn't documented, which means you don't know what he did or did not experience any more than I do. That also was not my point. You made a direct statement that you could not die and come back, I was pointing out that that statement is false.

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I think that if Jesus really wants us to know that he is giving us that experience Lazarus would have expressed that in the Bible.That he would have said that he died for three days and tell us what that was like and that experience was going to be available to us.We do not know what Jesus told Lazarus after He brought him back to life.All I know is that the experience he had was never documented.

 

Joel 2:28

That I will pour out My

Spirit on all mankind;

And your sons and daughters will prophesy,

Your old men will dream dreams ,

Your young men will see visions.

NASB

 

 

Acts 2:17

17'And it shall be in the last days,' God says,

'That I will pour forth of My Spirit upon all mankind;

And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

And your young men shall see visions,

And your old men shall dream dreams

NASB

 

peep, I think he did tell us.

 

I agree with LadyC that this is not an NDE,      In the book it never relates that the boy died at any time....  

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My Bad because I didn't read the book nor see the film. I thought the Doc's lost his vital signs while he was in surgery. The boy is now 13, and I saw him and his father on the 700 Club twice. Maybe we'll never know what to call this. There have been several people on the 700 Club that had some kind of NDE and some saw angels, some saw Jesus, some saw both and Heaven. One was a woman stuck in a raft and she was underwater at least 7 minutes. Another was a boy walking on a hill of loose soil. He slipped and was buried. When they dug him up, he had sand in his nose and mouth. They said he was without oxygen at least 4 mins.

 

Since NDE's are Near Death events, and not full death events, I'll tell you all what I think. I can easily believe Jesus or angels came to their rescue. As for what they see in Heaven, I think they see what they believe s in Heaven. In this boy's case, he saw dogs, horses, even wild animals that were tame. He also saw everyone with wings. The one thing he said that all people who see heaven say is it's beautiful beyond words. Or the colors are beyond words. They all also say there is a feeling of love there unlike anything on Earth. He also said he didn't want to come back. In 1 of the interviews I saw, he said Jesus told him he had to come back for his father. I think if he had died, his father might have lost his faith, or at least had a crisis of faith that may have lasted decades.

 

I'm eager to see this movie. But I have to wait for the DVD. After I see it, I may have more to say.

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NDE's may just be forced astral projection also.    There are ways of having your spirit leave your body and cruise around seeing and hearing things...    It's my understanding that it's not a good thing to do and spiritually very unsafe.  I have people very close to me who have experienced this in the past before they became Christians.

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Lots of good feedback, I just saw on my FB newsfeed that in addition to MacArthur, John Piper and several others are now denouncing the film. A few thoughts, the boy didn't say that everyone had wings, only that SOME angels did. It also was not a NDE, because none of his vital signs ever stopped.  Paul and John both had experiences of heaven that were also NOT NDEs.  I think some of the arguments from some of the ministries attacking this boy's account are silly at best.

 

For example:

 

1. Some claim that it cannot be real because a person CANNOT experience heaven before death:

really?, would it be too hard for God to do that if he wanted?

 

2. Another ministry attacked the film because it showed animals in heaven and they claimed that there were NO animals in heaven:

that's just ignorant, the Bible clearly says that Jesus has a horse in heaven, as do the rest of the armies of heaven.

 

3. Another ministry attacked the film because it showed people awake and aware in heaven, they claimed that people are still asleep:

soul sleep is a serious misunderstanding of what the Bible teaches.

 

4. Still another ministry denounced it as heresy because the boy's sister in heaven still had no given name: 

If Jesus wants to wait and allow the mother and father to name her, He can do so if He wants to. 

 

5. Another denounced it as false because the Bible says it is given to men to only die ONCE:

While it is generally true that people only die once, God can override general rules if He wants.

There are countless examples in the Bible were God overrides general rules. God is NOT limited by general guidelines.

 

6. Another claimed that the boy and his family were in on the deception only for the MONEY 

 

On a side thought, Lazarus died under the Old Covenant, prior to the resurrection. That's real different, but probably another thread.  

I find it sad that so many of the "book-learned" need to attack something simply because it is a more dramatic experience than they have ever had.  

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1) Yes,God could allow someone to experience heaven before they die.Does the Bible and God tell us that this is possible?

2)The Bible does say that there will be animals in heaven.

3)People are conscious right now in heaven.They do not have their resurrected bodies as yet but they have a form so that they can recognize each other.You would know mom or dad or grandma.They are anxiously awaiting their resurrected bodies right now.

Soul sleep in not Biblical.When we die our souls go immediately to heaven or hell.

4)The boy's sister had no name?I don't know what to say about that.What does the Bible say about our names in heaven?

5)Yes,the Bible says that we only die once.God allowed Lazarus to die and Jesus brought him back to life for His Glory.Did Lazarus say in the Bible what kind of an experience he had since he was dead for three days?Now that would be quite a story.Maybe Jesus told him "no".

6)That fact that the book and the money is going to bring in alot of money put up red flags for me.Someone said that the money for the book is going to a Christian charity.All of it?I wonder if the boy is going to have a free ride through college?But God knows.

 

It is a fact that a person can have visions while under anesthesia and certain drugs.But was it real?

 

 

Only God knows their hearts and the real story.I sure hope it is the truth because if it is not I don't think I want to be at their judgment because they are teaching a lie.Isn't the dad a pastor?

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lol, it's really funny to me that people who have never seen heaven are trying to say what is and isn't there. God created this whole earth filled with so much creativeness, so many different kinds of animals. Heaven is going to be so much more glorious than anything we've seen here. :)

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