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Well i believe in an old earth, there is so much evidence to support it. When god said to Adam if you eat the fruit in that day you will surely die, Adam and eve both ate but they didn't die physicly but spiritually. So from that context it looks like god is talking about spiritual death not physical. So if that is the case life could of existed for a very long time before god made Adam and eve and there still wouldn't be a contradiction between faith and science.
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So I've always wondered how Christians can reconcile their faith with science with science totally contradicts the message of the bible. 

it's not science in general. it's some part of science.

it's not science against christianity. 

science is tooooo large to generalise.

without science, we would still live in the stone age.


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Science is not at odds with the Bible.   Scientists with an atheistic worldview who demand that science must be limited to an atheistic paradigm are at odds with the Bible and they interpret the evidence within that paradigm.  They have put an artificial or imaginary wedge between science and the Bible.  Unfortunately, to many Christians, who fear man more than God, have chosen to believe scientists and their claims over what the Bible claims.


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I personally like to believe thousands of scientists over a book that is about 1600 years old and even is composed by humans. you know there were other evangelics wich say different things but were not selected for the bible.

i have more faith and believe in recent tons and tons of evidences wich is approved by all people i know in real life.

 

(there are even trees that are older than what the age of the earth would be according to creationist calculations: http://en.wikipedia....of_oldest_trees . this is proved with the carbon 14 technique, wich even we learn and understand in school.)


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they are irreconciliable


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what or who is/are irreconciliable?


Edited by Schouwenaars, 29 June 2014 - 08:50 AM.

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Romans 8:
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

The creation was redeemed at the cross, and awaits re-glorification upon His return.

I've wondered whether "subjected to futility", above, refers to entropy. Imagine a world without it, if you can!
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This is an old post .  . . but just in case you get back to it: 

 

I go for the old earth since I do not believe in 7 '24 hour' days.  It wasn't until the 3rd day that we got the sun.


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I personally like to believe thousands of scientists over a book that is about 1600 years old and even is composed by humans. you know there were other evangelics wich say different things but were not selected for the bible.

i have more faith and believe in recent tons and tons of evidences wich is approved by all people i know in real life.

 

(there are even trees that are older than what the age of the earth would be according to creationist calculations: http://en.wikipedia....of_oldest_trees . this is proved with the carbon 14 technique, wich even we learn and understand in school.)

 

Scientists are always adjusting their views. I believe science supports creationism more than evolution.

 

As for the trees, these so-called "older" trees are a bit further up the slope than the younger ones. In their elevated position, the weather and the soil is less susceptible to good growth conditions. Did you ever wonder why trees do the absolute best (oldest trees on earth) in the absolute worst conditions?  Yet trees a bit further down the slope in healthier conditions die off earlier??

 

The higher trees are completely starved of precipitation between each rain/snowfall and the soil on the higher slopes of the White mountains has particularly low ability to maintain moisture. ie the Bristlecone Pine trees in the White Mountains that show the most growth rings are in extreme conditions when growth completely stops between each precipitation and they therefore demonstrate multiple rings per year. This is so obvious yet as usual scientist refuse to adjust their earlier date estimates, clinging desperately onto their illogical logic that deprived trees would survive the longest. 


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Adam was not the first to sin, Lucifer did. If the earth was cursed because of Adam's sin, what happen to the earth when Lucifer sinned? He did rule on earth, in which he said "I will ascend above the clouds" You can not ascend above the clouds unless you are first under the clouds.


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This is an old post .  . . but just in case you get back to it: 

 

I go for the old earth since I do not believe in 7 '24 hour' days.  It wasn't until the 3rd day that we got the sun.

 

 

I believe the sun was already there. The Hebrew word for "made"  means  "produced". a word with a wide meaning include the way in which a magician produces a rabbit. The sun was always there, but only became visible after the mists/water vapor lifted to create light and visibility on the earth's surface. 

 

Genesis 1 was written from God's perspective, because no human was there to witness creation, and yet the Spirit of God was on the surface of earth. I know that God is omnipresent, but if we read Genesis 1 as reflecting increasing visibility on the surface of earth until even the stars are visible, this explains much of the confusion.


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This is an old post .  . . but just in case you get back to it: 

 

I go for the old earth since I do not believe in 7 '24 hour' days.  It wasn't until the 3rd day that we got the sun.

 

I believe the sun was already there. The Hebrew word for "made"  means  "produced". a word with a wide meaning include the way in which a magician produces a rabbit. The sun was always there, but only became visible after the mists/water vapor lifted to create light and visibility on the earth's surface. 

 

Genesis 1 was written from God's perspective, because no human was there to witness creation, and yet the Spirit of God was on the surface of earth. I know that God is omnipresent, but if we read Genesis 1 as reflecting increasing visibility on the surface of earth until even the stars are visible, this explains much of the confusion.

 

:thumbsup:

 

And I Believe

 

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

 

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night:

 

he made the stars also.

 

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

 

And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

 

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

 

Jesus Is The Light Of The World

 

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

 

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:9-10

 

And I Truly Believe Jesus Will Light Up The World Again

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 22:5

 

And As For Science, So Called

 

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

 

He Returns

 

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20

 

Maranatha~!


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I personally like to believe thousands of scientists over a book that is about 1600 years old and even is composed by humans. you know there were other evangelics wich say different things but were not selected for the bible.

i have more faith and believe in recent tons and tons of evidences wich is approved by all people i know in real life.

 

(there are even trees that are older than what the age of the earth would be according to creationist calculations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees . this is proved with the carbon 14 technique, wich even we learn and understand in school.)

 

:thumbsup:

 

Beloved, Although It Is Right Under Their Noises

 

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

 

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2 Peter 3:5-6

 

They Bow And They Simper

 

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Exodus 3:20

 

They Just Can Not See

 

Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Habakkuk 2:19

 

For Their Idol

 

Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation. Judges 10:14

 

Fills

 

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. Galatians 10:14

 

Their Eyes

 

Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 1 Corinthians 10:14

 

As They Run From The Ark

 

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:9

 

And So Proudly Proclaim, There Is No God Except Dirt Knowledge

 

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

 

Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:20-21

 

You See.....

 

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

 

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10-11


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