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And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11

 

 

Does this apply for all time, or is it specifically referring to the End Times? Are we seeing this happening now?

The reason that I ask, is because I occasionally speak to people who are non-believers. I'm not talking about your average non-believer, but people who hate God so much that they seem to have lost all rationality. They will blatantly tell lies about things, but I honestly think that they are not even aware of it. You can show them something and they will claim that it is the opposite.

Their grasp of reality is apparently non-existent too. It's as if they live on a different planet. They revel in defending the indefensible and they attack anything that is virtuous.

It's as if they are mentally ill, yet in everyday life they function normally and are otherwise rational (even very intelligent) as long as you stay away from the subjects of faith, politics or morals. As soon as you start discussing such things they become insane again.

Not only will they lie but they will even contradict themselves without realising that there is any contradiction.

Is this because they hate God and love pleasure so much that God has put a mental block inside their heads?

Is this what the above passage really means?

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I think they do this on purpose.  They don't want to consider the possibility God is real, because they would rather believe they are animals so they don't have to think about the eternal consequences of their actions.  It is self-delusion.  I do think this may be in part what the scripture is speaking of. 

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Blessings Oak

    I agree with Butero ,also that "yes" they hate God that much and yes it is happening right now..........we cannot ever forget that Gods Word is so clear that if you are not serving Him,you are serving satan.....................satan has influenced them so much that they do not see that they are blinded by "the god of this world"......................I think the enemy is the strong delusion that God allows

                                                                                                                        With love in Christ,Kwik

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Blessings Oak

    I agree with Butero ,also that "yes" they hate God that much and yes it is happening right now..........we cannot ever forget that Gods Word is so clear that if you are not serving Him,you are serving satan.....................satan has influenced them so much that they do not see that they are blinded by "the god of this world"......................I think the enemy is the strong delusion that God allows

                                                                                                                        With love in Christ,Kwik

 

It's just that it's happening more and more. It never used to be this bad. This has to be a sign that we are approaching the End Times.

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It's just that it's happening more and more. It never used to be this bad. This has to be a sign that we are approaching the End Times.

Oak,I think we are experiencing the birth pains of the Beginning of Sorrows but every generation that has passed thinks  they are very near end times..................who knows?Only God knows for sure............

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I think it is about time to see things like this. I look at it that Israel became a nation in 1948. God gave 120 year life span (generation)

 I see todays generation as the last.

side note from 1948 to 2014 is 66 years; my personal belief is at most we have 54 years left in this generation. and we are told God

most likely will cut that short. Matt 24:22 so probably less than 54 years.

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I think it is about time to see things like this. I look at it that Israel became a nation in 1948. God gave 120 year life span (generation)

 I see todays generation as the last.

side note from 1948 to 2014 is 66 years; my personal belief is at most we have 54 years left in this generation. and we are told God

most likely will cut that short. Matt 24:22 so probably less than 54 years.

 

You could also argue that Israel didn't become a nation until 1967 because that's when she got Jerusalem back which is more official in God's eyes than any U.N. recognition. However, not to split hairs, I think we are in the last generation too.

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I think it is about time to see things like this. I look at it that Israel became a nation in 1948. God gave 120 year life span (generation)

 I see todays generation as the last.

side note from 1948 to 2014 is 66 years; my personal belief is at most we have 54 years left in this generation. and we are told God

most likely will cut that short. Matt 24:22 so probably less than 54 years.

 

You could also argue that Israel didn't become a nation until 1967 because that's when she got Jerusalem back which is more official in God's eyes than any U.N. recognition. However, not to split hairs, I think we are in the last generation too.

 

Yes it could be either date for sure. I was just reading another thread about Christians being mistreated in so many countries and the US was not on the list and should be. christians have had a good run for a very long time and I see that good time ending very soon. Jesus told us we would be persecuted and I see that now taking place on a fairly large scale.

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Without God our spirit is dead.  We become so consumed in our flesh, it's all we see.  I think the strong delusion is what happens as a result.  We think we are alive because we breathe and move around, not knowing we are completely dead inside.

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Without God our spirit is dead.  We become so consumed in our flesh, it's all we see.  I think the strong delusion is what happens as a result.  We think we are alive because we breathe and move around, not knowing we are completely dead inside.

Yes, that's probably about the size of it.

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And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11

 

 

 

I personally believe that's its the lie of peace being made, Its the AntiChrist that brings in this false hope (Jesus said until he returns there shall be no peace). Remember that everything in the end is centered around Israel. The whole world is rejoicing and saying "finally peace, peace." It's at that time that the real pain begins to hit.... war breaks out against Israel... and continues to grow consuming the whole world until Jesus Christ returns and establishes peace for 1000yrs.

 

Then Satan is released one more time to try once more and he's done.

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And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

2nd Thessalonians 2:10-11

 

 

Does this apply for all time, or is it specifically referring to the End Times? Are we seeing this happening now?

The reason that I ask, is because I occasionally speak to people who are non-believers. I'm not talking about your average non-believer, but people who hate God so much that they seem to have lost all rationality. They will blatantly tell lies about things, but I honestly think that they are not even aware of it. You can show them something and they will claim that it is the opposite.

Their grasp of reality is apparently non-existent too. It's as if they live on a different planet. They revel in defending the indefensible and they attack anything that is virtuous.

It's as if they are mentally ill, yet in everyday life they function normally and are otherwise rational (even very intelligent) as long as you stay away from the subjects of faith, politics or morals. As soon as you start discussing such things they become insane again.

Not only will they lie but they will even contradict themselves without realising that there is any contradiction.

Is this because they hate God and love pleasure so much that God has put a mental block inside their heads?

Is this what the above passage really means?

 

 

Yup...I think it applied before it was written, when it was written and is more than self evident now.

 

I don't think it's all to do with pleasure though.....deception is an interesting thing.

 

What if I told you I know some Christians who are just as good at lying and deceiving?  I think that if a person accepts a lie as truth, it festers and as they go on, it expands until they

are deceived because of their lack of belief in what is actually true.  Maybe the 'come back' is the question 'Well, are they really Christians?'  But somehow I don't think the answer

is that simplistic...although obvious of course in some ways

 

Hope that makes sense

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God allowed Pharoah to harden his heart 7 times, them God hardened his heart 7 times. That may be happening now. But I believe that as we pray for peoples' salvation, God will continue to give them opportunities to repent till they die.

Hubby once forced me to promise not to pray for him. After he was saved I asked him to forgive me for breaking that promise. I prayed constantly for him, and he was very hardened, hostile, angry. Once a pastor visited our house. He only talked about sports, but then told him he was welcome to come to our son's baptism. He raved for months about how the pastor preached at him. He hated that church because of the visit. People do become warpped in their perceptions, as though they were out of touch with reality. It is so funny because after he asked Christ into his life, one of the first things he said was that he wondered why he hadn't done it a long time ago.

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Blessings Willa!

 

      Isn't that something ,I bet you wanted to choke him,or hug him?LOL,It is so funny but true,,,,don't we all say,"What took me so long?"Oh,but thanks & Praise be to God that we are Saved,Oh but for the Grace of God!

       I am sure your hubby is grateful that you did not listen & kept praying for him,God Bless you both!

                                                                                                                     With love-in Christ,Kwik

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I am noticing the more time goes by it seems the more irrational some people become. Like say how socioty is today it wouldnt have been accepted 20-30 years ago. It just gets more and more depraived. I have also noticed you can tell somepeople the truth and they wont believe it and they believe you are telling them a lie. Morality in socioty is reversed now.

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. I have also noticed you can tell somepeople the truth and they wont believe it and they believe you are telling them a lie.

 

Really?  You mean the gospel, or it could be anything that is true?

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When God says it ... it happens
2 Peter 2:18-22
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they
promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome,
of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and
overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them
not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The
dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
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notice what they call good is the desires of this place... how is it that which God has separated
Himself from
2 Cor 6:16-17
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God;
as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall
be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch
not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
KJV
Rom 12:2
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye
may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
KJV

we think we can take of the world into ourselves and still be of God's pleasure? Transformation
never occurred in these people simply because they were never born again Spiritually... so they
called good what was bad because they knew not God Who alone 'IS' Good! This is the understanding
of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit when you attribute god to God-> so that the god of this world is The
God Who 'IS' Creator... How shall you find The God Who Alone 'IS' God.?. Love, Steven

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We are at a point where good is evil and evil good. Warren Buffet is just investing in abortion. Does that make sense? (At least that is the news item I saw.) Are governments acting less rationally than they used to? Making laws that are totally against God and what He ordained? Why should people be any different? That is why we are told to hold fast to the faith and let no one deceive us. Perilous times are here. There is so much that does not make sense, religiously, politically and particularly in the family.

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I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage.

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I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage.

 

It's written as 'they' though, not he. Or do you mean at the time of the antichrist?

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I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage.

 

It's written as 'they' though, not he. Or do you mean at the time of the antichrist?

 

I am thinking at the time the antichrist is among those in the future during the tribulation.What you were talking about are the people who have hardened hearts.People who follow Satan.

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I think they are talking about the antichrist in this passage.

 

It's written as 'they' though, not he. Or do you mean at the time of the antichrist?

 

I am thinking at the time the antichrist is among those in the future during the tribulation.What you were talking about are the people who have hardened hearts.People who follow Satan.

 

 

Oh, I believe that you're definitely right about that. I just wonder if it applies for all time to anybody who hates God. I don't notice this delusion and ability to grasp reality with all non-believers just the real god-hating types, the ones who simply don't want to believe and despise Christianity so much. They seem to have lost all Common Sense.

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Apostle Paul's "strong delusion" Message is definitely about a specific endtime event that's to occur just prior to our Lord Jesus' second coming.

 

In the 2 Thess.2:3-4 verses, Paul covered the warning of a specific false one coming to sit in another physical temple in Jerusalem proclaiming himself as God, and working great signs and wonders that will cause the majority of the world to believe it. This is also how the early Church fathers of the 1st and 2nd centuries understood those specific Scriptures.

 

This event is actually covered in several Scriptures in the New Testament. Our Lord Jesus covered it in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture. Jesus through His Revelation to Apostle John covered it again in the Rev.13 chapter starting at Rev.13:11 forward about the "another beast" that appears like a lamb with two horns but speaks as the dragon, working miracles in the sight of men, and instituting the image of the beast worship and the mark of the beast.

 

Paul hinted at it again in the 2 Corinthians 11 chapter when he said he was afraid some brethren might believe on the "another Jesus", and thus not be presented to Christ as "a chaste virgin", and... how Satan disguises himself as an angel of light and his ministers disguised as ministers of righteousness.

 

At present time, orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have the materials ready to build their next temple. They've been setting up priests, making the temple articles required per Old Covenant worship, and the Jewish Sanhedrin formed up again several years ago. (see Land of Israel and Temple Mount Faithful website).

 

It's really important to step back and take a bird's eye view of these things getting ready to occur, and be careful about listening to all the hype of today's Pop Christianity which is designed to lead you away from this Scriptural point for the end. Very, very few Churches today are bothering to address these latter day events, and when they do they're sticking to the mainline seminary teachings of man's theology very loosely based on The Bible (in other words, most of them don't really know about these things).

 

Per Isaiah 14, the sin Satan did in the beginning against God was in his wanting to be GOD. Satan's original job God created him for was to guard His Throne (Ezek.28). Satan coveted that throne which is how he fell from Heaven having rebelled against God. New Jerusalem on earth where earthly Jerusalem is today is where David's throne is to rest with our Lord Jesus sitting upon it as He is promised. That is what Satan covets in the last days also. And that is what Paul's 2 Thess.2:3-4 warning is actually about, and why it is the "strong delusion".

 

And I believe that event is very close to coming to pass. The fact that the orthodox Jews are preparing to build another physical temple in Jerusalem and start up the Old Covenant worship again, and already have already started cutting cornerstones for the new temple is a major pointer to how close the time is.

 

If you can receive it... Satan is coming to earth, in person, to sit upon a throne that will go along with the last day's purpose of building that next temple in Jerusalem. No one can prevent, God is bringing this "strong delusion" as a test upon His people to find out who they are going to listen to. Because the coming Antichrist will be Satan himself, sitting as king in Jerusalem while proclaiming himself as God, and over all that is even 'called' God, or that is worshiped, doing great signs and lying wonders, like the 2 Thess.2:3-4 Scripture states, the majority of the world will believe it.

 

The early Church fathers by their understanding of the Scripture also interpreted that the Antichrist (Satan) will build that temple, because per Zechariah our Lord Jesus Christ is to build the Millennium temple when He returns (Zech.6).

 

The Book of Daniel about these events align with Revelation about it. The temple will be built and sacrifices will start up again, in Jerusalem, which will cover the first half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27. In the middle of that symbolic 7 year period ("one week"), the Antichrist will end those sacrifices and setup the image of the beast in false worship, requiring all to bow to it. That will start the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" and is the "great tribulation" timing our Lord Jesus taught. That will be the time of the "strong delusion" when the majority will bow to Satan in Jerusalem thinking he truly is God having come.

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. I have also noticed you can tell somepeople the truth and they wont believe it and they believe you are telling them a lie.

 

Really?  You mean the gospel, or it could be anything that is true?

not anything thats true but pretty close to it. But the gospel for sure. a lot of what i am talking about in this statment has to do with stuff on the news where they report a lie or not all of what happened.

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This is very dangerous because GOD makes them happy where they are.

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