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Hi all! I am Rusty and live in Cape Town. I am Christian in that I understand Jesus' teachings and live accordingly, but when I see what religions have made of them I have many reservations. Maybe you can help me here.....

 

For instance, His teachings on our dependence on materialism - Render unto Caesar, the loaves and fish, his instruction to Zebedee, the moneylenders at the Temple and most significantly the camel passing through the eye of a needle. These are all well-known but it seems to me that they are ignored. I'll tell you why I get that impression. There is no denying that Christ's teachings have been the root of our spiritual lives over the last two thousand years and that even though that spiritual guardian, religion, was at our side we have become the world Jesus spoke against. It would seem that the churches do not take this message to heart. The Vatican especially with all its pomp and glory and rich treasures.

 

As Jesus spoke out so often on that theme, I would think that this message is of particular significance. It is as if saw the world we would, and did, create with the concept of money. Money is not 'of God', it is man's invention and as we were going astray under its influence - making wars, dividing people into haves and have-nots. Creating an oppressive cynicism that led to the exploitation of have-nots to labour for those who have, Jesus felt an urgent need to speak out. Through the ages Christian officialdom has negated it. Today it is more urgent than ever.

 

This is a conundrum that prevents me from casting my lot in with religions, there is much more, but this will do for now. Am I wrong? Have I missed something?

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Welcome to Worthy. 

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Welcome Rusty; I think you've hit the nail on the head!

God bless you :)

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Welcome to Worthy! 

 

Do you attend a church, or do you classify all church attendance as 'religious"?

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Hi Fez, No I do not 'attend church' in the sense that you mean. I do go out into God's creation, Nature, and connect with Him in the same way you would an artist through his paintings and a musician through the music. In Nature, God's own work, I find peace amidst the diversity of resounding Life. I have been to churches, Sunday Schools, and mingled in many congregations and only seldom found a divine influence as overwhelming as in Nature.

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Hi Rusty, just because one attends church, doesn't mean one is attending a religion.  Jesus is not a religion, He is God.  If we believe in Him then we have faith in the truth, not just mere religion.  I know what you mean about nature, but we do need to fellowship with fellow believers - people who are still not yet perfect.  But praise God that He is, and that He is transforming us into His image; and He wants us to be together in unity, not just with Him but with one another also.

 

If you read the letters to the Corinthians in the Bible, and throughout the New Testament, you will find a lot about how Christ views His church.  We are His body, His vessel and His Bride.  This is foreshadowed in the Old Testament by Israel, our 'big brother' in that Israel is called God's first-born...

 

I pray that you find people you can fellowship with under the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings :)

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Hi, Rusty. Welcome to worthy

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Hi Fez, No I do not 'attend church' in the sense that you mean. I do go out into God's creation, Nature, and connect with Him in the same way you would an artist through his paintings and a musician through the music. In Nature, God's own work, I find peace amidst the diversity of resounding Life. I have been to churches, Sunday Schools, and mingled in many congregations and only seldom found a divine influence as overwhelming as in Nature.

 

Who is Jesus to you ?

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Welcome to Worthy!!

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Welcome~!

 

 

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Welcome to Worthy.

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Hi, Rusty! Welcome to Worthy. You do have a lot of valid points to ponder here. And I trust you'll find answers to your questions. I think your prior experiences will be an extremely helpful, in finding current solutions... Just as others have also had similar ones, such as yours. 

God bless you!

David/BeauJangles

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Welcome to Worthy Rusty.  I agree with Beaujangles, you seem to have some useful miles of experience behind you.  Any one of them is a true blessing, but grouped together and used as practical pursuits will strengthen your walk. 

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Rusty:  Welcome...I too am new here.

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Wow. I expected one or two comments, but it looks like everyone dropped by. Thank you.

 

There are one or two posts I would like to reply to, but I will do that in the morning when I'm fresh. I shall also draft a little bio of me, just so that everyone can see where I come from. I've always been a rebel and asked the uncomfortable questions. This is not about being abusive or insulting, its about sharing points of view. Its as much about learning how others think - and nobody thinks alike - as it is about learning others views. 

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I hope we get to have many good conversations. See you in the morning.

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Its as much about learning how others think - and nobody thinks alike - as it is about learning others views. 

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I hope we get to have many good conversations. See you in the morning.

 

Likewise :)

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Hi Fez, No I do not 'attend church' in the sense that you mean. I do go out into God's creation, Nature, and connect with Him in the same way you would an artist through his paintings and a musician through the music. In Nature, God's own work, I find peace amidst the diversity of resounding Life. I have been to churches, Sunday Schools, and mingled in many congregations and only seldom found a divine influence as overwhelming as in Nature.

 

Who is Jesus to you ?

 

Care to answer Rusty?

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And Im really curious about why you chose that avatar. You are in cape town you said, but that design is a common motif in my area thousands of miles away. So Im curious what it means to you.

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Blessings Rusty...

    Welcome to Worthy.......................I am sure you will be able to have & enjoy many good conversations here with the many good people at Worthy.Start you topics in the appropriate forums(after you have 5 posts) & you won't believe how many replies you will get................this is just the Welcome Forum & look at how many have come! Praise the Lord!

    I am curious as well,who is Jesus to you?You did mention His teachings but not your personal relationship with Him.....Care to oblige us?

                                                                                                                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik

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hello welcome and enjoy your stay. Lots of topics to explore and find ones that interest you and get a dialog going here.

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Morning All! OK ncn asked me who Jesus is to me. And I'm sure that what is actually being asked is, do I think He is the son of God? To me it is not the important aspect of Jesus sojourn on this Earth. He came to teach. What He taught clearly indicates that He came to change the direction humanity had taken. He was a prophet and His message is in keeping with all other true spiritual practices. I live by His teachings as much this society allows me.

 

My avatar is Kokopelli, who put himself in my life when I was learning all about my spiritual side. He has become to me like the parrot on Long John Silver's shoulder.

 

My personal relationship is with God. Soon I shall share my vision of what God is, and one thing I can say for now, is that He is no authoritarian. He has no need of 'praise' or 'worship' He doesn't want obedience and will not demand. All that is covered in His giving us Free Will.

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I see...

 

Jesus IS the Son of God, and if whoever is 'talking'to you is not the Holy Spirit of God, then I would get rid of them because they are feeding you lies.

 

I pray you find a true relationship with God.

 

Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand; and you shall be saved.

 

God bless you.

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Morning All! OK ncn asked me who Jesus is to me. And I'm sure that what is actually being asked is, do I think He is the son of God? To me it is not the important aspect of Jesus sojourn on this Earth. He came to teach. What He taught clearly indicates that He came to change the direction humanity had taken. He was a prophet and His message is in keeping with all other true spiritual practices. I live by His teachings as much this society allows me.

 

My avatar is Kokopelli, who put himself in my life when I was learning all about my spiritual side. He has become to me like the parrot on Long John Silver's shoulder.

 

My personal relationship is with God. Soon I shall share my vision of what God is, and one thing I can say for now, is that He is no authoritarian. He has no need of 'praise' or 'worship' He doesn't want obedience and will not demand. All that is covered in His giving us Free Will.

Thank you rusty. I have changed your status to seeker. Please read the Worthy statement of faith.

 

Worthy is a Christian Ministry site, and you will see from our SOF that we believe that God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are one. We also believe that Jesus was God incarnate, and He came to redeem us from our sins. His teachings were in no way in keeping "with other true spiritual practices".  There is only one truth, and that is the Word of God.

 

Having a "spirit guide" is not scriptural and we are warned against this in many places in scripture.

 

I pray you stay and learn about the one and only True God and His son Jesus.

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Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

Act 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 

 
Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 

 

It is only through the son that we can have forgiveness of sins. 

 

Eph 1:7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace

 

As Fez said, I too pray that you will stay and learn about the only True God and His son Jesus. 

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Morning All! OK ncn asked me who Jesus is to me. And I'm sure that what is actually being asked is, do I think He is the son of God? To me it is not the important aspect of Jesus sojourn on this Earth. He came to teach.

 

The teachings are not the purpose and mission of Jesus' coming the first time. His purpose and mission was to be a perfect living sacrifice. To die a horrible and painful death on the cross. For without dying on the cross there would be no remission of sins. God has chosen the way to him through faith (belief), not through our labor. We can't save ourselves through good works, rather good works is a sign to others of our faith, and trust in Jesus to do for us what we cannot.

 

When we rely on our own opinions, strengths and what philosophies agree with our own thinking, it becomes a religion. Faith in Jesus, however is not a religion for faith is putting aside our own wisdom, strength and philosophies and totally relying on Jesus death on the cross for our salvation.

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