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In the unlikely event it could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt no deity or afterlife exists, how would it change your life?

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In the unlikely event it could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt no deity or afterlife exists, how would it change your life?

 

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Nothing Would Change Beloved For I Would Still Call

 

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

 

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

 

Come Sinner, Come

 

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20

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In the unlikely event it could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt no deity or afterlife exists, how would it change your life?

 

 

I'd plan a big bank heist, do anything I wanted, have no respect, stock my shelf with expensive liquor and wine, mess with people's minds, lie, cheat, make trouble, stick it to anyone who offended me

or who I just took an instant dislike to the moment I met them, I'd hurt people twice as bad they hurt me and whatever else happened to cross my mind as I would have no morals, nothing to worry about

and it would be all about me, myself and I.

 

Pretty much what goes on in the world right now where no fear of God exists and people mock Him and do whatever they want.

 

Yeah.  That kind of stuff.

 

Do you suppose there would be a devil though?  Or do you think people without God are just that depraved all on their own?  devil_20.png

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It is something I won't even contemplate.

 

Jesus is Lord.

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If it is only the fear of hell which keeps people them on the straight and narrow, it extremely sad, that some people have to be frightened into being decent, honest human beings! 

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If it is only the fear of hell which keeps people them on the straight and narrow, it extremely sad, that some people have to be frightened into being decent, honest human beings! 

 

 

you didn't give people much of a chance to answer before you dropped this on us......   didn't have time to respond to you.    Truth is that I wouldn't change a thing in my life other than being a bit disappointed....    I wouldn't change how I interface with people because people usually treat you the way you treat them and I kind of like the way things are going.

 

I'm not sure I go along with you about the having to be frightened  to be decent.......   I know a lot of non believers that are decent people.   I simply don't hang around with the kind of people that aren't.

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I have asked this question on other forums and have been astonished that quite a number of 'born agains' would turn into criminals without the fear of hell to deter them!

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In the unlikely event it could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt no deity or afterlife exists, how would it change your life?

No disrespect intended, but this question is too absurd for me to even consider. It's like asking, "in the unlikely event it could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt that I don't exist....?"

I do exist, just as He exists.

It's that absurd.

Again, no disrespect intended.

Spock out

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In the unlikely event it could be proved beyond all shadow of doubt no deity or afterlife exists, how would it change your life?

 

Romans 8:38-39 ....38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1Corinthians 15:19 (KJV)

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I am quite content  to hope that when I die I cease to be, I have no interest in an afterlife.

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I have asked this question on other forums and have been astonished that quite a number of 'born agains' would turn into criminals without the fear of hell to deter them!

 

You have not understood my post as you consider yourself a  nonbeliever.

 

What Christians are actually saying to you, is that without the Holy Spirit, without God's laws and His order, the world is chaos and we would be no better then a criminal.

 

You see, we understand what the presence of the Holy Spirit in this world does.  We understand that without God, without His Spirit changing us, we would be no better then

what the rest of the world offers....you don't understand that because, as you have posted above, you basically have no hope

 

Our hope, is in Christ Jesus.  Not in religion or the twisted way God is sometimes represented, but in the only One who can actually change a life and Who has created all things

 

For those of us who actually are IN Christ, it is not the fear of hell that causes us to believe.

 

Once we know the One that died in our place, we understand that hell is separation from God.

 

Knowing God, as I do, that would be hell.

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First of all, the creation proves the existence of a creator, so the premise is flawed.  I will try to be honest with you JJ50.  I would still be overall a morally decent person.  I have no desire to go out doing bad things.  That is not who I am, but it probably would make some difference in some of the views I hold to, that are shaped only by the Word of God.  All I would have to go by is my conscience, but because I believe in God, I live according to his teachings over my natural instincts.  That is about as well as I can put it, but the whole idea is absurd, as I know that neither one of us could exist without a creator. 

 

I can understand your position to be fine with no afterlife.  A lot of people likely feel that way, but unfortunately, that choice is not ours to make.  If you are wrong, you won't cease to exist after this life, and if I am right, you will be living in torment forever in the lake of fire.  Do you really want to take that chance?  What would I have to lose if I am wrong?  I would cease to exist.  Big deal.  But again, given everything that exists, including me and you, I have to agree with scripture when it states, "the fool hath said in his heart, there is no god."  The idea defies logic.  And even you are just saying you doubt there is a creator, and you reckon science will eventually reveal how everything got here.  All scientists can do is observe what is here and make an educated guess.  This is your life, so all I can do is suggest you put more thought into the possibility you might be wrong.  There is a lot on the line, not just for you, but for your family, because they are influenced by your views. 

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What sort of crazy deity would consign people to burn in the fires of hell for mere unbelief? Unbelief is quite reasonable as there isn't the slightest shred of evidence to prove it exists. Surely a decent loving deity who wanted a relationship with humans would make its presence clear to all in a verifiable way, and not a matter of mere faith.

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What sort of crazy deity would consign people to burn in the fires of hell for mere unbelief? Unbelief is quite reasonable as there isn't the slightest shred of evidence to prove it exists. Surely a decent loving deity who wanted a relationship with humans would make its presence clear to all in a verifiable way, and not a matter of mere faith.

 

Please read Romans 1.  That will explain it to you.

 

God loves you.  However, He will not force anyone no matter how nice they think they are.

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I cannot see anything remotely loving about the Biblical version of the deity!

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Who cares?  Who says the deity has to be loving. He is who he is, and he says in his Word that unbelievers will burn for eternity in the lake of fire.  Read the Bible for yourself.  If you still can't believe, so be it.  You have nothing to lose. 

 

BTW, I have already showed you that the creation, as well as our history, especially that of the Jews, points to a creator, so you are wrong when you say "there is not the slightest shred of evidence that proves" God exists.  That is just false. 

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There is NO evidence the deity or an afterlife exists, or that it had anything to do with the production of the Bible, which seems a very human creation to me. But if you are happy with you very unpleasant belief system that is up to you.

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I second post #8 by spock. It was exactly what I was about to post. Trying to convince me that God does not exist is the same as saying that the world is just an illusion and I don't exist. It is delusional to think God does not exist.

Most unbelievers think that they have no eternal soul and that they will simply not exist upon death. They think a God who would send them to hell is not a loving God. You need God to reveal to you how ugly and destable pride and self righteousness are. It is usually our pride that denys the existance of a Creator and denys our own imperfection. It also denies the perfection that is required for anyone to enter heaven, thinking they are just as good as anyone else which is self righteousness.

But God is perfect and can't tollerate any imperfection. The problem was solved by God Himself. By sending His Son, God in human flesh, to live a perfect life and then die in payment for the sins of the world, He also imputed His righteousness onto the accounts of all believers. Legally we are perfect in God's eyes.. Meanwhile the Holy Spirit came into the lives of all true believers to give us a new nature that can communicate with God. He lives in us and works at slowly changing us to be more Christ like. When we die we will be made completely pure as our souls join Christ in heaven.

If you have ever created a work of art you can understand what it is to view it later and see all sorts of imperfections in it. It drives you nuts and you are tempted to continue to correct all the errors. God as our Creator made us to be perfect and cannot tollerate the corruption that satan brought into our world to our physical beings as well as our souls; even the corruption of our planet will one day be restored.

Most people who deny the existance of God will at least recognize that evil people exist or that our planet is being corrupted and destroyed.

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Yes there is evidence of a deity, and that God gave us the Bible.  I gave you the evidence.  If that evidence isn't enough to convince you, fine.  If the creation isn't enough, and if the Jewish nation and world history isn't enough, fine, but you are being dishonest when you claim I didn't give you evidence. 

 

BTW, it isn't a matter of being "happy with" a "very unpleasant belief system."  I suppose I am happy with it, but that is irrelevant.  I could hate my belief system, and still know it is true.  I hate a lot of things going on in my country, but reality is reality.  I accept it, because it is foolish to live in denial.  I would say to you, if you are happy living in denial, and willing to risk the lake of fire, that is up to you. 

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The Bible isn't evidence of anything at all, just a compilation of the works of different authors.

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The Bible isn't evidence of anything at all, just a compilation of the works of different authors.

 

The Bible is what it claims to be,

the undeniable, authoritative, Word of God .

 

2Pe 1:20  knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture came into being of its own private interpretation. 
2Pe 1:21  For prophecy was not borne at any time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke being borne along by the Holy Spirit. 
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Hi JJ50

 


If it is only the fear of hell which keeps people them on the straight and narrow, it extremely sad, that some people have to be frightened into being decent, honest human beings!

What good reason is there on atheism to be decent, honest human beings as opposed to simply doing whatever you please?

It seems that you're operating on the assumption that there are objective moral values, but how do you ground such things on atheism? Your mere sadness at the thought isn't much of an argument for why human should behave in a certain way.

 

By the way, it's an uncharitable caricature to suppose that Christian are only good because they fear hell. This is simply not the case. Christians typically pursue goodness because they believe in the objectivity of right and wrong and wish to be good for goodness sake.

 

 

What sort of crazy deity would consign people to burn in the fires of hell for mere unbelief?

No deity that we know of. The Christian God doesn't send people to hell for unbelief, but because of their moral failings. Is it crazy to punish wickedness in your view?

 

 

There is NO evidence the deity or an afterlife exists, or that it had anything to do with the production of the Bible, which seems a very human creation to me. But if you are happy with you very unpleasant belief system that is up to you.

You're making a claim that you cannot possibly know. To say there is no evidence, is a claim of absolute knowledge, since the only way to know that there is no evidence for God is to know all things, and thus within the set of all things, there is no evidence for God.

 

Perhaps you meant to say that there is no evidence that you find compelling?

 

That the Bible seems like a very human creation to you is a mere opinion. As such your opinion is noted, but a simple counterassertion "no it's not merely a human creation" would suffice.

 

 

The Bible isn't evidence of anything at all, just a compilation of the works of different authors.

The claim you're making here is that the Bible is merely a compilation of the works of different authors, but you've offered no evidence to back this claim. How do you know that it's merely that?

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Hi JJ...

     I don't think I ever had the chance to say"Welcome to Worthy?" Honestly,I can't pretend or even imagine a life worth living without my Heavenly Father.......I was dead before Christ but God still loved me & took care of me,no,no....it is impossible to think of God not existing,then neither would we?

       You seem to be a confirmed Atheist,is there really such a thing?Or is it really Agnostic...I don't know,but perhaps you can tell me,if I may ask?What would you hope to achieve by coming to a Christian ministry or what did you hope to find?"

       May God draw you unto Himself                                                                       With love-in Christ,Kwik

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Hi JJ50,

 

Did you take part in this discussion forum before under the name "justme50"?

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