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Sorry the full title didn't fit. Differentiating Biblical Truth, Personal Convictions, & Personal Preference... Re: Unity in the Church

Last night in our church home group we were discussing the idea of absolute truth vs relativism.

In reading 1 Cor. 1 today Paul was speaking to the Church in Corinth (1 Cor. 1) and to false teachers... On Unity... People were saying they were followers of Paul, Apollos, Christ…

Which brings up the question.

How do we make decisions? Particularly on Spiritual matters…

 

There's 3 categories as I understand it: Biblical Truth, Personal Convictions, and Personal Preference. Examples in parenthesis are mine below.

 

A. Biblical Truth - (Do not get drunk it is a dishonor to God)
B. Personal Convictions - (Drinking alcohol in moderation is okay)
C. Personal Preferences - (Drink alcohol once or twice a year)

 

Can you think of others?

 

 

Re: Unity in the Church... Most of our issues of division come from personal convictions and personal preferences. We are called to unity not based on how much we like each other but instead on our identity in Christ.

If we're not careful we as Believers will be divided by personal convictions and personal preference. Therefor we miss the truth and our purpose found in the Gospel - to make Jesus known among the nations. First in our neighborhoods, in the country we live in, and to the ends of the earth!

 

Food for thought. :thumbsup:

 

God bless,

GE



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If we're not careful we as Believers will be divided by personal convictions and personal preference.

 

Therefor we miss the truth and our purpose found in the Gospel

 

- to make Jesus known among the nations.

 

First in our neighborhoods, in the country we live in, and to the ends of the earth!

 

:thumbsup:

 

Amen~!

 

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

 

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

 

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:1-6

 

Applies To Personal Preferences

 

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Romans 14:5

 

As Well As To Politics And Other Such Creations Of Men

 

At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. Acts 26:13



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Blessings Golden Eagle...

     I agree completely with everything you said but I believe most importantly (is this another category ?)by the Power of the Holy Spirit as we walk & pray in spirit.......I know without praying in spirit for the Heart & Mind of Christ I do not want to make any decisions ,would this fall under Biblical Truth as God reveals Himself to us in His Word ,would it fall under personal convictions as it is the Holy Spirit that convicts our hearts.....in spirit,our personal desires(preferences) are to do the Will of God?

     I do not just want to assume these things but I would hope that it goes without saying,but let me ask so that it is clear......

                                                                                                                                                              With love-in Christ,Kwik



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I think some of this really hinges on what you mean by unity in the Church and the nature of true Christian unity.



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John 17 (KJV)
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.



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As Christians, we should look to make decisions both in the natural, as well as the spiritual based on God and His Word.
And always looking to grow in the same.

I am prayerfully longing for the day, when the Body of Christ can find itself here. As a family, we regularly beseech God for the same:

1Co 1:10  Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

I honestly believe it is possible for the same Holy Spirit God to teach all Christians the same things as we grow and mature in Christ and His Truth found in the Word.

Personal convictions and personal preferences clear up in time as we grow in Christ, starting with the basics of God's Word:

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
(1Pe 2:2-3)

And not remaining in those basics as time moves on:

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
(Heb 5:12-13)

Nor following after men when they themselves speak Truth, but follow after the One True God they are representing:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
(1Co 3:1-6)

And be wary of the perverse speaking wolves, who look to draw men unto themselves:

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
(Act 20:28-31)

Christians are Christ ambassadors, look to represent Him, and share His Truth with a lost and dying world! :)

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(2Co 5:17-21)



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Sorry the full title didn't fit. Differentiating Biblical Truth, Personal Convictions, & Personal Preference... Re: Unity in the Church

Last night in our church home group we were discussing the idea of absolute truth vs relativism.

In reading 1 Cor. 1 today Paul was speaking to the Church in Corinth (1 Cor. 1) and to false teachers... On Unity... People were saying they were followers of Paul, Apollos, Christ…

Which brings up the question.

How do we make decisions? Particularly on Spiritual matters…

 

There's 3 categories as I understand it: Biblical Truth, Personal Convictions, and Personal Preference. Examples in parenthesis are mine below.

 

A. Biblical Truth - (Do not get drunk it is a dishonor to God)
B. Personal Convictions - (Drinking alcohol in moderation is okay)
C. Personal Preferences - (Drink alcohol once or twice a year)

 

Can you think of others?

 

 

Re: Unity in the Church... Most of our issues of division come from personal convictions and personal preferences. We are called to unity not based on how much we like each other but instead on our identity in Christ.

If we're not careful we as Believers will be divided by personal convictions and personal preference. Therefor we miss the truth and our purpose found in the Gospel - to make Jesus known among the nations. First in our neighborhoods, in the country we live in, and to the ends of the earth!

 

Food for thought. :thumbsup:

 

God bless,

GE

Agree with this. And I love the quotes in your sig. :)

 

Hypothetical question for you.  Say I disagreed with your #1 that we should completely abstain from alcohol, that drinking any alcohol is a sin.  To me, that would be a biblical truth.  To you, it's just my conviction/preference.  How do you handle that sort of disagreement?



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I think our culture we live in influences largely or convictions of spiritual truth and often there is confusion between church doctrine, cultural norms and Jesus foundational basic teachings.

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A. Scriptural doctrine: Drinking alcohol can be medicinal as when Paul advised Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach. We use it in caugh medicine as well as in flavorings like vanilla. The Jewish culture did not prohibit alcohol.
Christians are forbidden to get drunk, especially since such drunken orgies and reveling were such a part of the Greco-Roman cultures as it has been a part of ours. Christians are to be set apart from the world around us.

B. Conviction: But it is definitely wrong for alcoholics to drink, it is not good for diabetics, and it is not a good example for teen agers or young believers who might use it as an excuse for excessive drinking. So out of love it is best not to drink alcohol under circumstances that cause others to stumble. It comes under the all things are lawful but not all things are expedient category. However, no one should be condemned for doing so when their hearts don't condemn them. They answer to God as do we, so we have no right to stand in judgement of each other. That is what makes it a personal conviction.

C. Preference: Most of us have no desire to get drunk or even to have a drink very often. Some churches use alcoholic wine in communion but mine prefers not to do so.
I sometimes use some alcohol to control caughing when I am extremely sick.


A. Doctrine: Women should dress modestly. Christians do not answer to Jewish civil or ceremonial law.
B. Conviction: Women may wear modest clothing created for women.
C. Preference: I prefer to wear loose fitting clothing: blouses that are not revealing and loose fitting slacks or jeans.

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Blessings Golden Eagle...

     I agree completely with everything you said but I believe most importantly (is this another category ?)by the Power of the Holy Spirit as we walk & pray in spirit.......I know without praying in spirit for the Heart & Mind of Christ I do not want to make any decisions ,would this fall under Biblical Truth as God reveals Himself to us in His Word ,would it fall under personal convictions as it is the Holy Spirit that convicts our hearts.....in spirit,our personal desires(preferences) are to do the Will of God?

     I do not just want to assume these things but I would hope that it goes without saying,but let me ask so that it is clear......

                                                                                                                                                              With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

Biblical truth is revealed by God through His Word (the Bible). Prayer is important in seeking God's will for our lives. The Holy Spirit guides us in all we do if we just listen to Him sister! Amen. :thumbsup:

Biblical truth is that the Holy Spirit guides the hearts and minds of Believers.

Personal conviction would be that I need to spend 1 hour a day alone praying with and to God. This is a good thing. But bot everyone has this conviction nor should I try to impose my conviction on others as Biblical truth.

Personal preferences would be for example the color of the carpet at church. I've heard many times people fighting over wether it should be red, brown, or another color. This is where people fight a lot with each other.

Do you see what I'm saying sister?

God bless,

GE



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I think some of this really hinges on what you mean by unity in the Church and the nature of true Christian unity.

Okay brother how do you define "Unity in the Church" and "the nature of true Christian Unity"?

To me it just seems we as Christians fight over our own pet doctrines (calvinism/armenianism, end time doctrine, gifts of the Holy Spirit, etc.), personal convictions (don't drink alcohol, don't dance, etc.), and personal preferences (have your quiet time in the morning). 

God bless,

GE



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John 17 (KJV) {1-26}

So what are you trying to say brother? What does this passage say to you?

God bless,

GE



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As Christians, we should look to make decisions both in the natural, as well as the spiritual based on God and His Word.
And always looking to grow in the same.

I am prayerfully longing for the day, when the Body of Christ can find itself here. As a family, we regularly beseech God for the same:

I honestly believe it is possible for the same Holy Spirit God to teach all Christians the same things as we grow and mature in Christ and His Truth found in the Word.

Personal convictions and personal preferences clear up in time as we grow in Christ, starting with the basics of God's Word:

And not remaining in those basics as time moves on:

Nor following after men when they themselves speak Truth, but follow after the One True God they are representing:

And be wary of the perverse speaking wolves, who look to draw men unto themselves:

Christians are Christ ambassadors, look to represent Him, and share His Truth with a lost and dying world! :)

Amen to your entire post! And these sentences in bold stood out to me. :thumbsup:

God bless,

GE



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Agree with this. And I love the quotes in your sig. :)

Hypothetical question for you.  Say I disagreed with your #1 that we should completely abstain from alcohol, that drinking any alcohol is a sin.  To me, that would be a biblical truth.  To you, it's just my conviction/preference.  How do you handle that sort of disagreement?

 

 

 

That is a good question sister. In any disagreement I think ideally we should offer the other person horizontal grace - meaning we should be loving, kind, gentle, peace-makers, and self-controlled in the spirit of Gal. 5:22-23.

 

God has given us vertical grace (salvation, justification, sanctification) and we should in turn pass it along to others. Realizing that everyone who Believers is being conformed to the mind of Christ and is His work in progress.
 

 

But let's talk about the specifics here. So let's say you believe that we should completely abstain from alcohol and that drinking alcohol is sin.
 

So… since we're talking about Biblical truth we obviously turn to the Bible. See next post.

God bless,

GE



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First, what does the Bible say about alcohol?

 

Here's some things I found the Bible says about alcohol...

 

It is unwise to drink a lot of wine as it leads to mockery and brawling.

 

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

 

In praising God the Psalmist said the following:  

 

Psalm 104:14-15
You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart.

 

 

Notice in opposition to the fruits of the spirit mentioned in the previous post (Gal 5:22-23) are the fruits of the flesh including drunkenness and orgies.  These are evidence of our old nature before Jesus Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
 

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

Romans 13:13
Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.

 

 

We as Believers are not to be drunk or partake in debauchery (excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures; intemperance) …

 

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

 

 

Deacons must not be addicted to a lot of wine.

1 Timothy 3:8

Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.

 

 

It seems like drinking a little wine is good for the stomach and frequent ailments. I believe Willamina mentioned this.

 

1 Timothy 5:23
No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

 

 

Second, does the Bible say drinking alcohol is sin?
 

As to the second question I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where it says drinking alcohol is a sin. Being drunk and participating in orgies is a sign of the work of the flesh. But drinking alcohol is never described as a sin per say in Scripture. Unless of course I'm missing something. Perhaps you can point to the Bliblical passages saying as such? ;)

 

You are loved! :thumbsup:

 

God bless,

GE



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I think some of this really hinges on what you mean by unity in the Church and the nature of true Christian unity.

Okay brother how do you define "Unity in the Church" and "the nature of true Christian Unity"?

To me it just seems we as Christians fight over our own pet doctrines (calvinism/armenianism, end time doctrine, gifts of the Holy Spirit, etc.), personal convictions (don't drink alcohol, don't dance, etc.), and personal preferences (have your quiet time in the morning). 

God bless,

GE

 

Christian unity as it is presented in the Bible pertains to unity around the truth.

 

The problem for us is that we live in a postmodern culture/society that puts emotions or feelings ahead of the truth.   We have, even in the church, a relativism where what is true for you is your truth and truth is defined by feelings "How can it be wrong when it feels so right?"

 

Christian unity is centered upon the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the inerrancy/authority of Scripture, Person and nature of God, salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone.   These core doctrines comprise the foundation of true Christian unity.

 

What I see happening in the Church all across America is a surrendering these core principles and doctrines of the faith.  I see it even on this board.  "Unity" is expected at the expense of sound doctrine.

 

I see more and more people who don't believe Jesus was God, who think the Bible is true only when it needs to be true.  I see more and more that we have allowed Hollywood and science to hi-jack the interpretation of Scripture.   Today, biblical truth is what each person wants it to be.   And in this mire of contradictory values and beliefs we are supposed to have "unity."

 

As to values decision like how much alcohol to consume or not..   You know why we even ask that question, because we have lowered our view of God.   Think of it like this, there are probably things that you could do that are completely harmless but because you value your family and marriage, you don't even touch those things, don't even go near them.  Your love for your family drives your decisions and you won't go near anything or any one that even has the remotest chance of causing you to compromise on that.

 

It should be the same with God.   We are constantly asking, "how close can I get to the edge without falling off?"  "How close to the fire can I get before I get burned?"   The decision to drink or not to drink should come from that inner passion to protect at all costs, my relationship with God.   It is not about rules, but about the relationship and what parts of that relationship with the Lord are so unimportant that am I willing to sacrifice them in order to be respected by my peers. 



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I think our culture we live in influences largely or convictions of spiritual truth and often there is confusion between church doctrine, cultural norms and Jesus foundational basic teachings.

 

What is the difference between church doctrine and Jesus's basic foundational teachings?

God bless,

GE



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Blessings Golden Eagle

    Oh my Brother in Christ,what can I say? You always take the time to help anyone understand what you share with us ,we only need ask....thank you Brother(post #10)   once again,I cannot agree with you more.Praise & Glory to God!

                                                                                                                       With love in Christ,Kwik



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Agree with this. And I love the quotes in your sig. :)
Hypothetical question for you.  Say I disagreed with your #1 that we should completely abstain from alcohol, that drinking any alcohol is a sin.  To me, that would be a biblical truth.  To you, it's just my conviction/preference.  How do you handle that sort of disagreement?

 
 
That is a good question sister. In any disagreement I think ideally we should offer the other person horizontal grace - meaning we should be loving, kind, gentle, peace-makers, and self-controlled in the spirit of Gal. 5:22-23.
 
God has given us vertical grace (salvation, justification, sanctification) and we should in turn pass it along to others. Realizing that everyone who Believers is being conformed to the mind of Christ and is His work in progress.
 
 
But let's talk about the specifics here. So let's say you believe that we should completely abstain from alcohol and that drinking alcohol is sin.
 
So… since we're talking about Biblical truth we obviously turn to the Bible. See next post.

God bless,

GE

 

Thank you for replying so graciously to someone who may disagree with you.  We need more of that in the Church.  :)

 

I don't disagree with you, actually.  I attended a church growing up that served wine for Communion, then later I attended a bible college that required complete abstinence from alcohol.  A few of my roommates got really offended when I admitted to drinking a wine cooler over the summer.  While technically I did accidentally break a school rule (I wasn't aware it extended into school breaks), I didn't do anything really wrong.  But that's not how they saw it.  To me, it was a just my preference or conviction, to them, it was a biblical truth.  To them, I was "backsliding".

 

My aunt and uncle also abstain from alcohol, but I believe that for them it is a preference.  My uncle had an addiction to alcohol that nearly destroyed their marriage, so now they don't touch the stuff.  Those in the family who do occasionally drink respect that decision and don't drink around them, and my aunt and uncle don't look down on us judgmentally.  That's unity in the family.  On this subject, at least.  (now I just need to get my mom and her sister to stop fighting about the rapture! lol)

 

The reason for my hypothetical question is that I see this problem happening quite often in the Church.  One person's conviction  goes against another person's idea of biblical truth.  Maybe both sides have good biblical "logic" to back up their beliefs, but they can't seem to agree.  It's not necessarily the disagreement that divides them, though.  It's the prideful "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude behind much division in the Church.  God knows I'm guilty of this quite often, and I pray He continually reveals these areas to me.  I want to be a better witness to the rest of the world.

 

 

We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord

We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord

And I pray that all unity may one day be restored

They will know we are Christians by our love, by our love

They will know we are Christians by our love

 

 

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.  - Gandhi

 

 

"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me." - John 17:21



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A. Scriptural doctrine: Drinking alcohol can be medicinal as when Paul advised Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach. We use it in caugh medicine as well as in flavorings like vanilla. The Jewish culture did not prohibit alcohol.
Christians are forbidden to get drunk, especially since such drunken orgies and reveling were such a part of the Greco-Roman cultures as it has been a part of ours. Christians are to be set apart from the world around us.

B. Conviction: But it is definitely wrong for alcoholics to drink, it is not good for diabetics, and it is not a good example for teen agers or young believers who might use it as an excuse for excessive drinking. So out of love it is best not to drink alcohol under circumstances that cause others to stumble. It comes under the all things are lawful but not all things are expedient category. However, no one should be condemned for doing so when their hearts don't condemn them. They answer to God as do we, so we have no right to stand in judgement of each other. That is what makes it a personal conviction.

C. Preference: Most of us have no desire to get drunk or even to have a drink very often. Some churches use alcoholic wine in communion but mine prefers not to do so.
I sometimes use some alcohol to control caughing when I am extremely sick.


A. Doctrine: Women should dress modestly. Christians do not answer to Jewish civil or ceremonial law.
B. Conviction: Women may wear modest clothing created for women.
C. Preference: I prefer to wear loose fitting clothing: blouses that are not revealing and loose fitting slacks or jeans.

I pretty much agree with you sister. :thumbsup:

Some small changes in bold if I may to the modesty section:
 

A. Doctrine: People should dress modestly. Christians do not answer to Jewish civil or ceremonial law. People are responsible for their thoughts and actions as individuals.
B. Conviction: Women may wear modest clothing created for women. Men may wear modest clothing created for men.
C. Preference: I prefer to wear loose fitting clothing: blouses that are not revealing and loose fitting slacks or jeans.

 

 

I guess for some reason when we talk about modesty often people want to talk about women and forget about the men in the equation. What do you think sister? ;)

God bless,

GE






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