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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

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If we believe God is perfect and sovereign,

all powerful, we have to believe He had a plan.

That plan was sufficient to accommodate the number of people His plan called for.

 

He Himself said, 

 

Gen 1:31 : And God saw everything that He had made, and behold,

it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

Probably not....   after some time we would just not have children.....   there would not be any real reason to over populate.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

Probably not....   after some time we would just not have children.....   there would not be any real reason to over populate.

 

Well then are you suggesting that we would not have been able to make love with our partner anymore? There were no contraceptives. 

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

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I am curious, are you saying that the way things are currently going in this world....are not according to his will / plan?

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

Probably not....   after some time we would just not have children.....   there would not be any real reason to over populate.

 

Well then are you suggesting that we would not have been able to make love with our partner anymore? There were no contraceptives. 

 

 

there are ways of making love to your wife without getting her pregnant....   not that I would care to discuss them here.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

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I am curious, are you saying that the way things are currently going in this world....are not according to his will / plan?

No I am talking about his original plan. What possibly could his plan have been when the world became full?

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

Probably not....   after some time we would just not have children.....   there would not be any real reason to over populate.

 

Well then are you suggesting that we would not have been able to make love with our partner anymore? There were no contraceptives. 

 

 

there are ways of making love to your wife without getting her pregnant....   not that I would care to discuss them here.

 

What about animals? 

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

Why would he set a trap for Satan to fall into? What would his motive have been?

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I am curious, are you saying that the way things are currently going in this world....are not according to his will / plan?

No I am talking about his original plan. What possibly could his plan have been when the world became full?

 

I do believe it's all his original plan.

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I am curious, are you saying that the way things are currently going in this world....are not according to his will / plan?

Or are you saying that in his plan he had taken into account that we would sin, and thus we would never have gotten into the scenario of 'the world becoming full'?

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

Why would he set a trap for Satan to fall into? What would his motive have been?

 

 

 

to show the whole of creation that he was a just God.....   he didn't make the jury for them so all of creation understands the justness of his actions......    That's probably why he didn't just squish Lucifer like a bug from the very start.    He is letting the dark side show everything what eternity would be like if he lets Satan exist freely.

 

 

He's already told us that he is going to throw us under the bus so to speak in Revelation 13....    But he has also told us that he will make it up to us when he returns and do so for ever..

 

Things that we know nothing about have existed for eternity past and we have about 7,000 years to fix Satans rebellion and we'll be fixed for eternal future if things go as planned.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

Why would he set a trap for Satan to fall into? What would his motive have been?

 

 

 

to show the whole of creation that he was a just God.....   he didn't make the jury for them so all of creation understands the justness of his actions......    That's probably why he didn't just squish Lucifer like a bug from the very start.    He is letting the dark side show everything what eternity would be like if he lets Satan exist freely.

 

Isn't a perfect world in which Lucifer is running around a bit of an oxymoron?

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I am curious, are you saying that the way things are currently going in this world....are not according to his will / plan?

Or are you saying that in his plan he had taken into account that we would sin, and thus we would never have gotten into the scenario of 'the world becoming full'?

 

I think that would cover it yes...God knew what man would do and when man would do it....   Now, that being said, I think the question would be....what is said about reproduction ....populating ...prior to the fall.... Let me know :)

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I am curious, are you saying that the way things are currently going in this world....are not according to his will / plan?

Or are you saying that in his plan he had taken into account that we would sin, and thus we would never have gotten into the scenario of 'the world becoming full'?

 

I think that would cover it yes...God knew what man would do and when man would do it....   Now, that being said, I think the question would be....what is said about reproduction ....populating ...prior to the fall.... Let me know :)

 

Well off the top of my head he specifically says to "FILL" the world, not overpopulate it. Of course then something would have had to change when it was full, but having said what we just did, it seems as though this would never have been a problem because we would never get to that stage due to sin and consequently physical death.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

Why would he set a trap for Satan to fall into? What would his motive have been?

 

 

 

to show the whole of creation that he was a just God.....   he didn't make the jury for them so all of creation understands the justness of his actions......    That's probably why he didn't just squish Lucifer like a bug from the very start.    He is letting the dark side show everything what eternity would be like if he lets Satan exist freely.

 

Isn't a perfect world in which Lucifer is running around a bit of an oxymoron?

 

who said it was a perfect world?   I said it was what he had in mind at the time.    When he said all is good, he didn't necessarily say the world was perfect......   means it is what he wanted.  He made it good and Satan messed it up.....    he put it in motion again and Satan and the angels who married  Adams daughters messed it up again..   He wiped it out again and Satan messed it up again...    over and over he has given the world and then the Jews chance after chance and every time we tend as whole societies to drift to Satan in the form of one god or another.

 

It's like the whole 6000 years has been an object lesson as to what happens when this dark entity runs loose....   and he's pretty much been running loose since Adam fell.   Soon The Father will say enough is enough and he will send Jesus back and lock the old devil up for a thousand years.......   after that the world will go downhill again and he will dispose of him permanently......   along with all the trash that followed him.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

Why would he set a trap for Satan to fall into? What would his motive have been?

 

 

 

to show the whole of creation that he was a just God.....   he didn't make the jury for them so all of creation understands the justness of his actions......    That's probably why he didn't just squish Lucifer like a bug from the very start.    He is letting the dark side show everything what eternity would be like if he lets Satan exist freely.

 

Isn't a perfect world in which Lucifer is running around a bit of an oxymoron?

 

who said it was a perfect world?   I said it was what he had in mind at the time.    When he said all is good, he didn't necessarily say the world was perfect......   means it is what he wanted.  He made it good and Satan messed it up.....    he put it in motion again and Satan and the angels who married  Adams daughters messed it up again..   He wiped it out again and Satan messed it up again...    over and over he has given the world and then the Jews chance after chance and every time we tend as whole societies to drift to Satan in the form of one god or another.

 

It's like the whole 6000 years has been an object lesson as to what happens when this dark entity runs loose....   and he's pretty much been running loose since Adam fell.   Soon The Father will say enough is enough and he will send Jesus back and lock the old devil up for a thousand years.......   after that the world will go downhill again and he will dispose of him permanently......   along with all the trash that followed him.

 

We were perfect before the fall, so therefore why were we in such an imperfect world? To me it doesn't seem right that he would put us into a world with Lucifer. Did we deserve that or something?

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

Why would he set a trap for Satan to fall into? What would his motive have been?

 

 

 

to show the whole of creation that he was a just God.....   he didn't make the jury for them so all of creation understands the justness of his actions......    That's probably why he didn't just squish Lucifer like a bug from the very start.    He is letting the dark side show everything what eternity would be like if he lets Satan exist freely.

 

Isn't a perfect world in which Lucifer is running around a bit of an oxymoron?

 

who said it was a perfect world?   I said it was what he had in mind at the time.    When he said all is good, he didn't necessarily say the world was perfect......   means it is what he wanted.  He made it good and Satan messed it up.....    he put it in motion again and Satan and the angels who married  Adams daughters messed it up again..   He wiped it out again and Satan messed it up again...    over and over he has given the world and then the Jews chance after chance and every time we tend as whole societies to drift to Satan in the form of one god or another.

 

It's like the whole 6000 years has been an object lesson as to what happens when this dark entity runs loose....   and he's pretty much been running loose since Adam fell.   Soon The Father will say enough is enough and he will send Jesus back and lock the old devil up for a thousand years.......   after that the world will go downhill again and he will dispose of him permanently......   along with all the trash that followed him.

 

We were perfect before the fall, so therefore why were we in such an imperfect world? To me it doesn't seem right that he would put us into a world with Lucifer. Did we deserve that or something?

 

Deserve it???........      we were put here for a purpose.   God's purpose, and it doesn't really need to be right in our eyes.   God needed something done and he made us to do it....   in a way that is overly fair to the devil.    Those of us who don't/won't follow the devil will be rewarded for our work as far as i can see for eternity....    seems pretty fair to me.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

Maybe we would have discovered space travel and terraforming at that point, and we could start colonies on other planets. Last I checked, outer space is really, really big. ;)

God discouraged man reaching for the heavens after he became sinful (tower of Babel, etc), and he shortened our lifespan, forcing each generation to relearn things. But maybe if Sin hadn't entered the world, we would have spread out to the stars.

Just a thought. :)

 

I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

I agree with Shiloh. (wait, whaaat? lol)

It doesn't make sense to me that God would intend for man to fail. I believe He saw the likely possibility of it and prepared a plan of salvation (aka Jesus), but I don't think He created us as pawns or automatons. We do have free will. Otherwise, we can't really love Him, right?

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