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How Do We Deal With Current Events?

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I have been reading a lot of interesting posts lately about things taking place in the government, the rise of immorality, and a move towards globalism.  There is no question we are living in perilous times, and those in control don't have our best interests at heart.  Many are very anti-American and very pro-globalism.  We obviously need to stand against evil, but considering the fact that God is in control, and we know things have to get worse before they get better, what should we do to protect ourselves?  I will still continue to be active in politics, and in spreading the truth about what is taking place, but I know that we can only hope to slow things down unless it is God's will to stop it, and I don't believe that will take place till we reach the millennial reign of Christ. 

 

While I do believe in the rapture, I recognize that Bible prophecy isn't spelled out in a way where we can always be sure we are interpreting things exactly right.  Many in the church don't believe in the rapture.  Either way, we may have to endure hard times before Jesus returns, so how do we deal with living in an evil age?  Do we start living like the true Christians did in the communist block nations and go underground before the government starts taking full control of the churches by controlling our speech?  Do we form our own communities like the Amish have done and govern ourselves as best we can?  We know what's coming.  Do we sit back and do nothing and just wait till the strong arm of government takes full control, or do we take steps now to prepare for it?  I feel on the inside like the evangelical churches have a big target on them, and the only thing restraining the government is the Constitution and freedom of religion as well as freedom of speech.  A few bad judges down the road, and that goes out the window, barring civil uprising. 

 

I have seen a lot of people sounding warnings about what they see happening, but no solutions.  I would love to hear any opinions about active things we can do, not to stop the rise of evil, as again, I believe we are only capable of slowing it as the Lord allows, but in separating ourselves from it so we will be spared when the judgment comes down.  Any ideas?



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For a start we should be documenting the fall and spreading the word of truth to those who will listen. If necessary we go underground but nevertheless remain unafraid to emerge from underground when need be.



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Thanks Oakwood.  I agree.



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I think our founding fathers have that answer for Ideas, Butero..

 

 

 

 

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The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
   Button Gwinnett
   Lyman Hall
   George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
   William Hooper
   Joseph Hewes
   John Penn
South Carolina:
   Edward Rutledge
   Thomas Heyward, Jr.
   Thomas Lynch, Jr.
   Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
   Robert Morris
   Benjamin Rush
   Benjamin Franklin
   John Morton
   George Clymer
   James Smith
   George Taylor
   James Wilson
   George Ross
Delaware:
   Caesar Rodney
   George Read
   Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
   William Floyd
   Philip Livingston
   Francis Lewis
   Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
   Richard Stockton
   John Witherspoon
   Francis Hopkinson
   John Hart
   Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshire:
   Josiah Bartlett
   William Whipple
Massachusetts:
   Samuel Adams
   John Adams
   Robert Treat Paine
   Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
   Stephen Hopkins
   William Ellery
Connecticut:
   Roger Sherman
   Samuel Huntington
   William Williams
   Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
   Matthew Thornton

 



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and the outcome would probably depend on who the military backed...



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Which is one reason the current regime in power has been quietly conducting what amounts to a purge of senior military officers . . . seems someone is afraid of that very thing. Part of the Oath of Enlistment is defense of the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.



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That is an excellent point Other One and I agree with you too Walla.  Thanks for your input. 



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This may sound like a cliche:  Prepare for the worst and pray for the best.

 

I believe the US, being the most powerful country in the world, will shock the world by being the first to surrender its national sovereignty to the UN, without a single shot fired in our defense.  We have seen this process unfold since George H.W. Bush was President.  I believe Ronald Reagan was the last true American President, his successors have all been globalists.

 

LOST under GWB, or BHO's open borders/gun control/unilateral disarmament of our nuclear stockpile/dismantling of the US military, Clinton's NAFTA, and GWHB's "New World Order" policy.

 

The freedoms enshrined in our Constitution and national sovereignty are slowly being surrendered.  Our Borders, Language, and Culture have already been globalized, our Foreign Policy is in the process of doing the bidding of the globalists, national sovereignty is next.

 

Our national sovereignty will most likely be undermined by incitement of a rebellion or civil war, once that begins, the UN will step in, and that will be the end of it.

 

We may have already run out of time to change this trajectory, I don't know how useful our elections will be this year and in 2016 at changing it, but we have to give it a shot.

 

Why else the push for amnesty?  The globalists want non-americans voting in our elections.  That's why they are importing millions of foreign voters, they are going to grant them "amnesty" so they can be legalized "citizens" of the US, without first becoming "Americans."

 

If we can do it, we should change our voting laws to prohibit anyone from voting in our elections until they've been legal citizens for 10 years.  We need to give them time to assimilate into our society.

 

Right now, it looks like PBHO and the establishment Congress wants Central Americans, Costa Ricans, Colombians, Mexicans, to vote as Central Americans, Costa Ricans, Colombians, Mexicans, and not as Americans.



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In your patience posess ye your souls. Luke 21:19 kjv.

rev. 14:12 here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

he that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience andfaith of the saints. Rev. 13:10

We are told to wait on The Lords return, we are told to watch. We can read that those who wait upon the Lord shall renew thier strength. We are supposed to stand on The Word.
Even though we are in the world we must not become like the world. No matter how rough the road gets.




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