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Everything God gives is in promise form

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It is quite evident from the scriptures  that when God says this: "I will do this IF you will do that", He places a condition upon His "doing".

 

While keeping in mind all of the previous promises God had made __ and broken, in this example God is liking Israel's sin to Leprosy and offering His cure: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

[However] "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it"
Isaiah 1:18-20 (KJV)

 

I believe God administers His Grace to us in like manner, don't you?

 

[Emphasis mine]


Edited by Cross Reference, 23 June 2014 - 03:55 AM.


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god promises us many things yes but he has not broken any of them he is a man of his word. there usually is something we must give or do to recieve these promises but its all for our good in the end.



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god promises us many things yes

but he has not broken any of them

He did with the children of Israel, didn't He?

 

 

he is a man of his word. there usually is something we must give or do to recieve these promises but its all for our good in the end.

Yes. It is called the fulfillment of the promise, correct?

 


 


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 "All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD swear [promised] unto your fathers.
 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no."
Deuteronomy 8:1-2 (KJV)

 

[Emphasis mine]


Edited by Cross Reference, 23 June 2014 - 12:35 PM.


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He did with the children of Israel, didn't He?

 

No God didnt

 

They say, “If a man divorces his wife, and she goes from him and becomes another man’s, may he return to her again?” Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; “Yet return to Me,” says the Lord.



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 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest,

any of you should seem to come short of it.
 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them:

but the word preached did not profit them,

not being mixed with faith in them that heard it." Hebrews 4:1-2 (KJV)
 


Edited by Cross Reference, 24 June 2014 - 05:03 PM.


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 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest,

any of you should seem to come short of it.
 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them:

but the word preached did not profit them,

not being mixed with faith in them that heard it." Hebrews 4:1-2 (KJV)
 

 

Again this does not prove your point God "DID" break his promise to Israel....what you see in the scripture you provided is "fear" from humans that God could break his promise, so dont test God or you will come short, inother words its us Humans who breaks God's promises....However your interpretation of this scripture contradicts God's words “Yet return to Me,” says the Lord. for Israel.

 

 “Yet return to Me,” says the Lord. clearly shows God "DID" not break his promise to Israel...further if God "DID" break his promise to HIS Choosen people...God would violate laws from Leviticus concerning his redeeming purpose for the House of Israel, cause it would be a literal divorce and not a metophorical one...“Yet return to Me,” says the Lord.“Clearly proves God Kept and still keeps his promise for the House of Israel.


Edited by inchrist, 25 June 2014 - 04:37 AM.


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 "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning.

If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life." 1 John 2:24-25 (KJV)

 

We are sealed by our continuing in Christ Jesus. Wherefore: "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried,

he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12 (KJV) Therefore:

"My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." James 1:2-4 (KJV)

 

With one proviso:

". . . let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord if he is double minded because:
 a double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:7-8 (KJV)

 

OMT: There is no self-righteousness when a brother of low degree rejoices in that he is exalted , Jas.1:8


 


Edited by Cross Reference, 25 June 2014 - 05:38 AM.


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and yet God said

Yet return to Me,” says the Lord

 

Your interpretations are contradicting what God said Yet return to Me,” says the Lord

 

Again God did not break his promise with Israel, they are his chosen people....

 

Revelation 21:12  (context NewJerusalem)
It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
Your interpretations need to harmonize and they are not


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" After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year,

shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, . . . . .

 

. . . . . . and ye shall know my breach of promise." Numbers 14:34 (KJV)

 



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" After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year,

shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, . . . . .

 

. . . . . . and ye shall know my breach of promise." Numbers 14:34 (KJV)

 

 

 

and yet ....for about forty years he endured their conduct in the wilderness; acts 13:18

 

Deuteronomy 2:7

The LORD your God has blessed you in all the work of your hands. He has watched over your journey through this vast wilderness. These forty years the LORD your God has been with you, and you have not lacked anything.

 

God still gave Israel the promised land.


Edited by inchrist, 25 June 2014 - 06:49 AM.


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Sorry, doesn't compute.



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Sorry, doesn't compute.

 

Let me help you....

 

The God of Israel that I worship never breaks his promise, we humans break it for him....

 

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Num 23;19

 

Psalm 89:34

 

I will not violate my covenant or alter what my lips have uttered.
 
Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
 
Malachi 3:6
"I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.
 
The text clearly states God is not a man, we humans break promises, it is a human condition, not a God condition.
 
If God breaks a promises the God is guilty of sin, as I said there are a number of violations God commits if he had to break his promises
 
Leviticus 5:4-5 Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these.  And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in one of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing: 
 

Your interpretations contradicts scripture, God "DID" Not break his promise with Israel


Edited by inchrist, 25 June 2014 - 07:30 AM.


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Sorry, doesn't compute.

 

Let me help you....

 

The God of Israel that I worship never breaks his promise, we humans break it for him....

 

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Num 23;19

 

Psalm 89:34

 

I will not violate my covenant or alter what my lips have uttered.
 
Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
 
Malachi 3:6
"I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.
 
The text clearly states God is not a man, we humans break promises, it is a human condition, not a God condition.
 
If God breaks a promises the God is guilty of sin, as I said there are a number of violations God commits if he had to break his promises
 
Leviticus 5:4-5 Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these.  And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in one of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing: 
 

Your interpretations contradicts scripture, God "DID" Not break his promise with Israel

 

 

 


 

Please, spare me your 'help'.

 



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facepalm.gif shame....


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God never breaks his promises. However some of his promises may be conditional. If I promise to give you some money IF you do a job for me and you don't do he job, I will NOT have broken the promise if I don't give you the money. I will still have kept my part of the promise.

If, however I promise to give you money regardless of what you do and I don't, then I will have broken my promise.

God has never broken a promise - he is a man of his word.



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Some background on the below verse which seems to claim God breaks his promises...and lets put this verse in the context it deserves to be in.

 

 

" After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year,

shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, . . . . .

 

. . . . . . and ye shall know my breach of promise." Numbers 14:34 (KJV)

 

 

Why do you think God stopped the Israelites from going into the land He had promised to them?, lets not forget Israel fulfilled God's promise eventually. 
 
Israel sent out spies to check out the Promised Land. All but two of the spies returned to say that the land was full of giants and enemies that they could not defeat. The people were afraid of giants and began to whine and complain about all God had done for them. Why were they afraid cos they lacked faith in God's promise.
 
Only two of the spies said that God could give them victory and that the people should go in to the land as He had promised and instructed, but the people wouldn't go.
 
God still kept His promise to the Israelite nation, but those who refused to trust in Him and kept speaking poorly of Him whenever things were difficult never got to live in the land because they were unfaithful to God's promise. The consequences of their disbelief cost them the blessing of seeing God's promise fulfilled. God kept His promise to take the Israelites to a land just for them, but all those who doubted God's faithfulness died in the wilderness without ever seeing the promised land.
 
God still kept His promises to them. He never left them. He continued to provide for them, which I provided scriptures for above which apparently do not compute. God is always Faithful, even when we are unfaithful.


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God never breaks his promises. However some of his promises may be conditional. If I promise to give you some money IF you do a job for me and you don't do he job, I will NOT have broken the promise if I don't give you the money. I will still have kept my part of the promise.

If, however I promise to give you money regardless of what you do and I don't, then I will have broken my promise.

God has never broken a promise - he is a man of his word.

All God's promises are conditional. There are over 1400 mentions of the word "IF" in the Bible study them out.

Here's one:  "And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us". Deuteronomy 6:25 (KJV) Read the whole along with Chp 8.
 


Edited by Cross Reference, 25 June 2014 - 10:03 AM.


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I think its time to put this argument to bed, how this topic got this far is mindblowing because your defending the indefensible

 

 

All God's promises are conditional. There are over 1400 mentions of the word "IF" in the Bible study them out.

Here's one:  "And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us". Deuteronomy 6:25 (KJV) Read the whole along with Chp 8.
 

 

Its conditional based on our faith...the promise is always there.

 

Since you like "if's so much you will enjoy this 2 Timothy 2:13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful (faithful with what? He's word!!!!!)

 

God's promises are based on our faith...we alone break the promises due to our unbelieve, the promises are ALWAYS there.

 

Your entire argument is based on the following

 

 

 

He did with the children of Israel, didn't He?

 

Your statement correct?

 

I hate to be so obvious but the very fact Israel even exists today shows God keeps his promises...duh

 

1. Did Israel go into the promise land and settled there, after everything Israel put God through? Yes or No

 

2. Is Israel currently today occupying the promise land, After everything Israel put God through? Yes or No

 

3. Is Israel going to be occupying the promise land in the New kingdom here on earth in Revelations? Yes or No?

 

if you answered Yes then your statement is clearly daft that God broke his promises to Israel

 

If your answer is no to 1 & 2 then your clearly just wrote your own history and living in denial.

 

Sorry but your attacking the very nature of who God is, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, who never breaks his promise and Always remains FAITHFUL & keeps his word...you are being completely blasphemias who God is.



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It is quite evident from the scriptures  that when God says this: "I will do this IF you will do that", He places a condition upon His "doing".

 

While keeping in mind all of the previous promises God had made __ and broken, in this example God is liking Israel's sin to Leprosy and offering His cure: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

[However] "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it"
Isaiah 1:18-20 (KJV)

 

I believe God administers His Grace to us in like manner, don't you?

 

[Emphasis mine]

Yes.






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