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Righteousness, God's_ Man's? __ What is it all about?

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 "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God".

". . . . . righteousness and peace have kissed each other."

 

Romans 5:1-2 (KJV

Psalm 85:10 (KJV)


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Not exactly sure what your question is here? 



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Not exactly sure what your question is here? 

Hi Bethany!! I edited the OP.

 

May I ask what part in your walk with the Lord do you believe you play? David prayed this way:

 

"The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness,

and according to mine integrity that is in me." and he goes on to say: " I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high." Psalm 7:8,17 (KJV)

 

 


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I'm not sure the only question posed really follows the topic but a few ideas from a few close followers of Jesus may be relevant here.

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
- Romans 10:3

Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
-Paul to the Church at Philippi 3:8-9


For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
"Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
1Peter 2:21-24


I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

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I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

Hi Pat!!

 

So what about David? What do we do with him, "a man after God's own heart"?


 


Edited by Cross Reference, 25 June 2014 - 07:04 AM.


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I'm not sure the only question posed really follows the topic but a few ideas from a few close followers of Jesus may be relevant here.



For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
- Romans 10:3

Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
-Paul to the Church at Philippi 3:8-9


For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
"Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
1Peter 2:21-24


I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

 

Excellent post, Macs Son.

 

 


I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

Hi Pat!!

 

So what about David? What do we do with him, "a man after God's own heart"?


 

IMO, we need to remember what David spoke:

1)  Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2)  Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Psalms 32:1-2

 

David spoke these words shortly after committing adultery and than murder.  He even confessed to God his sins, Psalms 32:5.  All this happened after David was called a man after God's own heart, I Samuel 13:14.   All one has to do is check thru David's life and you can easily see places he missed up and sinned.  But if you want to model yourself after a man of great faith, you would be hard press to find a man more faithful to God, than David.

 

 



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I'm not sure the only question posed really follows the topic but a few ideas from a few close followers of Jesus may be relevant here.



For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
- Romans 10:3

Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
-Paul to the Church at Philippi 3:8-9


For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
"Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
1Peter 2:21-24


I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

 

Excellent post, Macs Son.

 

 


I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

Hi Pat!!

 

So what about David? What do we do with him, "a man after God's own heart"?


 

 

IMO, we need to remember what David spoke:

1)  Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2)  Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Psalms 32:1-2

 

David spoke these words shortly after committing adultery and than murder.  He even confessed to God his sins, Psalms 32:5.  All this happened after David was called a man after God's own heart, I Samuel 13:14.   All one has to do is check thru David's life and you can easily see places he missed up and sinned.  But if you want to model yourself after a man of great faith, you would be hard press to find a man more faithful to God, than David.

 

 

I am not interested in something else David may have said. I want you to address those two verses I posted__ face value.

 

Here's another like it:

 

"Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness in his eye sight." 2 Samuel 22:25 (KJV)
 

 


Edited by Cross Reference, 25 June 2014 - 10:11 AM.


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"Jesus *said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician,

but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

To which Paul could state: "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God". Reiterating the words of David[?]: ". . . . . righteousness and peace have kissed each other." ___ by the shed Blood of the Lamb.

 

 

Mark 2:17 (NASB)

Romans 5:1-2 (KJV

Psalm 85:10 (KJV)


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I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.

In Christ, Pat

Hi Pat!!
 
So what about David? What do we do with him, "a man after God's own heart"?

Yes, I believe David was a man that pursued after the heart of God. So he was after God's own heart and Christ's promised righteousness.
Here's the pursuit in his own words:

Psa 5:8
Lead me, O LORD, in Your righteousness because of my enemies;
Make Your way straight before my face.
Psa 7:17
I will praise the LORD according to His righteousness,
And will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High.
Psa 23:3
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Psa 24:5
He shall receive blessing from the LORD,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psa 31:1
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
In You, O LORD, I put my trust;
Let me never be ashamed;
Deliver me in Your righteousness.
Psa 34:15
The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their cry.
Psa 34:17
The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears,
And delivers them out of all their troubles.
Psa 34:19
Many are the afflictions of the righteous,
But the LORD delivers him out of them all.
Psa 35:28
And my tongue shall speak of Your righteousness
And of Your praise all the day long.
Psa 36:6
Your righteousness is like the great mountains;
Your judgments are a great deep;
O LORD, You preserve man and beast.
Psa 36:10 Oh, continue Your lovingkindness to those who know You,
And Your righteousness to the upright in heart.
Psa 37:6 He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light,
And your justice as the noonday.
Psa 40:10 I have not hidden Your righteousness within my heart;
I have declared Your faithfulness and Your salvation;
I have not concealed Your lovingkindness and Your truth
From the great assembly.
Psa 45:4
And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humility, and righteousness;
And Your right hand shall teach You awesome things
Psa 71:2 Deliver me in Your righteousness, and cause me to escape;
Incline Your ear to me, and save me.
Psa 71:15 My mouth shall tell of Your righteousness
And Your salvation all the day,
For I do not know their limits.
Psa 71:16
I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD;
I will make mention of Your righteousness, of Yours only.
Psa 71:19
Also Your righteousness, O God, is very high,
You who have done great things;
O God, who is like You?
Psa 71:24
My tongue also shall talk of Your righteousness all the day long;
For they are confounded,
For they are brought to shame
Who seek my hurt.
Psa 85:10
Mercy and truth have met together;
Righteousness and peace have kissed.
Psa 85:11
Truth shall spring out of the earth,
And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
Psa 85:13
Righteousness will go before Him,
And shall make His footsteps our pathway.

There's a lot more but it still all points to Christ his righteousness.
Hope that helps.
In Christ, Pat

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Yes, I believe David was a man that pursued after the heart of God. So he was after God's own heart and Christ's promised righteousness.
Here's the pursuit in his own words:

Psa 5:8
Lead me, O LORD, in Your righteousness because of my enemies;
Make Your way straight before my face.
Psa 7:17
I will praise the LORD according to His righteousness,
And will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High.
Psa 23:3
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Psa 24:5
He shall receive blessing from the LORD,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psa 31:1
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.
In You, O LORD, I put my trust;
Let me never be ashamed;
Deliver me in Your righteousness.
Psa 34:15
The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their cry.

Psa 34:17
The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears,
And delivers them out of all their troubles.

Psa 34:19
Many are the afflictions of the righteous,
But the LORD delivers him out of them all.

Psa 35:28
And my tongue shall speak of Your righteousness
And of Your praise all the day long.
Psa 36:6
Your righteousness is like the great mountains;
Your judgments are a great deep;
O LORD, You preserve man and beast.
Psa 36:10 Oh, continue Your lovingkindness to those who know You,
And Your righteousness to the upright in heart.
Psa 37:6 He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light,
And your justice as the noonday.
Psa 40:10 I have not hidden Your righteousness within my heart;
I have declared Your faithfulness and Your salvation;
I have not concealed Your lovingkindness and Your truth
From the great assembly.
Psa 45:4
And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humility, and righteousness;
And Your right hand shall teach You awesome things
Psa 71:2 Deliver me in Your righteousness, and cause me to escape;
Incline Your ear to me, and save me.
Psa 71:15 My mouth shall tell of Your righteousness
And Your salvation all the day,
For I do not know their limits.
Psa 71:16
I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD;
I will make mention of Your righteousness, of Yours only.
Psa 71:19
Also Your righteousness, O God, is very high,
You who have done great things;
O God, who is like You?
Psa 71:24
My tongue also shall talk of Your righteousness all the day long;
For they are confounded,
For they are brought to shame
Who seek my hurt.
Psa 85:10
Mercy and truth have met together;
Righteousness and peace have kissed.
Psa 85:11
Truth shall spring out of the earth,
And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
Psa 85:13
Righteousness will go before Him,
And shall make His footsteps our pathway.

There's a lot more but it still all points to Christ his righteousness.
Hope that helps.
In Christ, Pat

 

Nope. Sorry. Lets be honest or nothing is achieved: It points to both the Psalmist' and the Lord's righteousness.

 

Remember, this is the OT __ indwelling here.

 

I have a plethora of more examples that speak the same message.


Edited by Cross Reference, 25 June 2014 - 05:53 PM.


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Romans 4:3-6  -  For what said the scripture?  Abraham "believed" God, and it was "counted unto him(Abraham)" for "righteousness."   4.) Now to him that works is the "reward" not reckoned of grace, but of debt.(A debt that we could never of self pay, but our sweet God & Lord Jesus did it all for us.)  5.)  But to him that works not, but believed on Him,(Jesus) that "justifies the ungodly, his(our) "faith" is counted  for "righteousness."   6.)  Even as David also, "describes the blessedness of the man," to whom God imputed "righteousness" without works,       Romans 4:13  -  For the "promise," that he should be heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, "through the law," but THROUGH THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF FAITH.      Romans 4:20-25  -  He(Abraham) didn't stagger at the "promise of God" through unbelief; but was "strong in faith,"(believing God) giving glory to God;  21.) And being fully persuaded that, what He(God) had promised, He(God) was able also to perform.  22.)  And therefore it was reckoned to him(Abraham) for "righteousness."  23.) Now it was not written for his(Abraham) sake alone, that it was imputed to him(Abraham);  24.) "BUT FOR US ALSO," to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him(Our heavenly Father) that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;  25.) Who was delivered for "our offenses," and was raised again for "our justification."        Justified by faith and saved by grace.  Hallelujah!!!     Galatians 3:6  Even as Abraham believed God, and it WAS ACCOUNTED TO HIM(ABRAHAM) FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.       :mgcheerful: 



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I'm not sure the only question posed really follows the topic but a few ideas from a few close followers of Jesus may be relevant here.
 

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
- Romans 10:3

Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
-Paul to the Church at Philippi 3:8-9


For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
"Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
1Peter 2:21-24


I therefore have no righteousness of my own but I do have a righteousness through Christ who paid my debt in full, sits at the right hand of the Father and has His home in my heart through His Holy Spirit who unites us in love and purpose.
In Christ, Pat

 

Yes Jesus gives us his Holy Spirit to dictate, and give us the grace to live the whole Word of God, and that is the only way one will enter Heaven.



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Nope. Sorry. Lets be honest or nothing is achieved: It points to both the Psalmist' and the Lord's righteousness.
 
Remember, this is the OT __ indwelling here.
 
I have a plethora of more examples that speak the same message.



Hi Brother CR
?? - that's just the point brother. David's righteousness was the Lord's imputed righteousness and not his own. Those who trust in Christ are made righteous and called righteous only because Christ has made them so by His imputed righteousness and by paying our sin debt on the cross. So David didn't have any of his own righteousness and either do we who trust in Christ but the righteous live by faith in He who gives us righteousness. Jesus had much to say about the "self" righteous. It doesn't matter that David was in the Old Testament either. The promise made to Abraham and all his children were fulfilled in Christ - it is just that David lived before the fulfillment of the promise.
-Pat

A few quotes from Jesus and his disciples make the point better than I do.

“And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
- Matthew 8:11

 

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.
-Galatians 3:16

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
- Romans 10:3

Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
-Philippians 3:8-9


There's honestly no conflict by the psalmsist talking in some verse about the righteous and in others that it is God's righteousness alone - They're really both the same as it's all about imputed righteousness that we come to own because of Jesus.
One last point for clarity sake:


The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
-Luke 18:9-14


Hope that helps in establishing the point and is less confusing.
May the Lord Bless, Pat

Edited by Macs Son, 28 June 2014 - 01:26 AM.


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Jesus is our righteousness. Our righteousness is as filthy rags.

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One will know if he or she is a righteous person by their actions.  But no person can be righteous unless he or she allows the Holy Spirit/Jesus to led him or her.  It is only in and through the grace given to one by God that one is able to walk as Jesus walked.  






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