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Can sociopaths, the autistic ect.

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be saved if they cannot understand empathy and therefore Jesus sacrifice?

 

It always made me wonder.

 



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I reconciled that in my mind by considering that Jesus is a very fair entity.....   whatever he decides to do with any of us I firmly believe will be just.



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My neighbor is a pastor and his son is autistic. His autism is much improved by God's grace. He is now at a Aspergers level and responds intelligently when spoken to; he loves the Lord. We have a young man at our church who also is autistic and saved. He prefers to listen to the sermon in the foyer where there is less distraction. Otherwise, he is there every sunday. We have had saved autistic people on our boards and one comes into the chat room occasionally.

However, I am not sure about sociopaths who can't seem to discern right from wrong and have no remorse for the evil they have done. I have heard of seriel killers being saved, but since I have seen no fruit of repentance, it is hard to know if they are really saved. Some may be demon possessed???.

Some who are severely retarded--pre school level--I believe can also be saved if they live up to the light given them. They just need to know that God loves them and forgives them for being bad when they ask Jesus to help them and come into their lives to be their best friend. They just need to be taught on their level. Those who are raised in a Christian home are sanctified by the believing parent 1Cor 7.

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Romans 1

 

19 ¶ because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them.
20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.



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Romans 1

 

19 ¶ because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them.
20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.

and if they are not capable of seeing or realizing?????



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There is a boy who comes to chat who is quite autistic. He knows Jesus. 

 

I do not think a sociopath is beyond the ability to grasp who He is. I do not think most people are beyond that ability. For those few who are, then I trust that He is just and fair and knows what is best. He knows their hearts when we do not. I trust Him to do what is right.



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Romans 1

 

19 ¶ because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them.

 

20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse.

 

and if they are not capable of seeing or realizing?????

 

:thumbsup:

 

God Is Able, Oh So Able

 

When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

 

But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Matthew 19:25-26



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There is a boy who comes to chat who is quite autistic. He knows Jesus. 

 

I do not think a sociopath is beyond the ability to grasp who He is. I do not think most people are beyond that ability. For those few who are, then I trust that He is just and fair and knows what is best. He knows their hearts when we do not. I trust Him to do what is right.

 

Amen !



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Changing the subject slightly, I believe that mentally handicapped people (not the same as the autistic or sociopaths, I agree) probably have a very good understanding of Jesus even though they may have very low IQs and find it extremely difficult to communicate.

We've all seen the adult-child who spends his or her entire life with their parents, never seems to grow up, can't feed, wash or dress themselves, and suffer from extreme mental retardation.

They have a certain loving and trusting nature. I believe that they have the Holy Spirit. They can't read the Bible but they've always known God.

We have a lot to learn from them.

Only evil societies wish to kill the mentally-handicapped. The Nazis exterminated them just like they exterminated the Jews.



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Jesus says a man will leave his mother and father and cling to his wife.  And the reason he would not get married is because he is an Eunuch. Mathew 19:12 "12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."



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Changing the subject slightly, I believe that mentally handicapped people (not the same as the autistic or sociopaths, I agree) probably have a very good understanding of Jesus even though they may have very low IQs and find it extremely difficult to communicate.

We've all seen the adult-child who spends his or her entire life with their parents, never seems to grow up, can't feed, wash or dress themselves, and suffer from extreme mental retardation.

They have a certain loving and trusting nature. I believe that they have the Holy Spirit. They can't read the Bible but they've always known God.

We have a lot to learn from them.

Only evil societies wish to kill the mentally-handicapped. The Nazis exterminated them just like they exterminated the Jews.

 

Ask away



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mentally handicapped probably get into heaven more easily



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They like everyone else need to repent and believe in the gospel to be saved



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Let me make a comparison here to the mentally handicapped and a small child. A newborn baby that dies goes to heaven. There is evidence for this ib the following

2 Samuel 12:21-23 KJV

Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread. And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

This shows that David had an understanding that the child was in heaven and that he would one day be with him. This is evidence for the age of accountability. Just like a child, I believe that many mentally handicapped people also fit into this category since so many have the mind of a child.

Edited by RigMedic, 19 July 2014 - 05:26 PM.


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They like everyone else need to repent and believe in the gospel to be saved

 

How can the mentally retarded repent when they do not know sin exist?






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