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We know that on the temple Mount  that the first temple by Solomon was built. Then later after that had been torn down the second temple was built by Nehemiah & others. Now from scripture (Ezekiel) we are told that there will be a third temple built on this very spot, the Temple Mount. Now every reference to all three temples on this site was a translation of the Greek word `Hieron.`

 

Any temple erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word `Naos.` This word is frequently rendered `meeting place,` `dwelling` or `Synagogue.`

 

 

Now people believe that this temple on Mount Moriah has to be built before the Lord returns because of the `abomination` in the Holy Place that the Lord & the Apostle Paul spoke of in Matt. 24: 15 & 2 Thess. 2: 4. But that is incorrect & has caused much confusion. it is the word `Naos,` (temple elsewhere) that is used for the temple that the Anti-Christ will set up the abomination. And this temple has already been built.

 

 

On August 1982 in the presence of the prime Minister, Menachem Begin,  Members of Cabinet & other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated. it is situated in King George Street, & is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon`s Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stain-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the ten Commandments.

 

 

In the interior, marble has been used extensively, especially for the Ark situated beneath the stained-glass windows. This, I believe is the Holy Place which will be desecrated by the `Abomination` referred to by Jesus.

 

 

The Temple referred to by the Apostle Paul is Built!

 

 

Solomon`s Temple, sacred Place is referred to as `Hieron,` as in John 10: 23 - Jesus was walking in the temple (hieron) in the portico of Solomon.`

 

Whereas the Apostle Paul uses the Greek word `Naos,` when referring to the abomination set up in the temple at Jerusalem but not at the Mount Moriah site.

 

`(the anti - Christ) who opposes & exalts himself above every so called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (Naos) of God, displaying himself as being God.`  (2 Thess 2: 4)

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I hope it's ok to ponder on that for a while....    it's much too important not to think it through...

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Hi other one,

 

That is a very good response to something that is important to our understanding of God`s word regarding Israel today.

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We know that on the temple Mount  that the first temple by Solomon was built. Then later after that had been torn down the second temple was built by Nehemiah & others. Now from scripture (Ezekiel) we are told that there will be a third temple built on this very spot, the Temple Mount. Now every reference to all three temples on this site was a translation of the Greek word `Hieron.`

 

Any temple erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word `Naos.` This word is frequently rendered `meeting place,` `dwelling` or `Synagogue.`

 

 

Now people believe that this temple on Mount Moriah has to be built before the Lord returns because of the `abomination` in the Holy Place that the Lord & the Apostle Paul spoke of in Matt. 24: 15 & 2 Thess. 2: 4. But that is incorrect & has caused much confusion. it is the word `Naos,` (temple elsewhere) that is used for the temple that the Anti-Christ will set up the abomination. And this temple has already been built.

 

 

On August 1982 in the presence of the prime Minister, Menachem Begin,  Members of Cabinet & other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated. it is situated in King George Street, & is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon`s Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stain-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the ten Commandments.

 

 

In the interior, marble has been used extensively, especially for the Ark situated beneath the stained-glass windows. This, I believe is the Holy Place which will be desecrated by the `Abomination` referred to by Jesus.

 

 

The Temple referred to by the Apostle Paul is Built!

 

 

Solomon`s Temple, sacred Place is referred to as `Hieron,` as in John 10: 23 - Jesus was walking in the temple (hieron) in the portico of Solomon.`

 

Whereas the Apostle Paul uses the Greek word `Naos,` when referring to the abomination set up in the temple at Jerusalem but not at the Mount Moriah site.

 

`(the anti - Christ) who opposes & exalts himself above every so called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (Naos) of God, displaying himself as being God.`  (2 Thess 2: 4)

That is a bit of a stretch.

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Never a dull moment with you Marilyn. :)

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Hi Spock,

 

Thought you`d like that one. Well I do have a few more up my sleave. Have to keep us on our toes, ay? :emot-dance:

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We can start here.....

http://biblehub.com/greek/3485.htm

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Hi Spock,

 

Thank you for that referral. However we need to remember how the Lord uses those words & the Apostle Paul.

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We know that on the temple Mount  that the first temple by Solomon was built. Then later after that had been torn down the second temple was built by Nehemiah & others. Now from scripture (Ezekiel) we are told that there will be a third temple built on this very spot, the Temple Mount. Now every reference to all three temples on this site was a translation of the Greek word `Hieron.`

 

Any temple erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word `Naos.` This word is frequently rendered `meeting place,` `dwelling` or `Synagogue.`

 

Actually the words Naos and Hieron are both used to refer to the temple on Moriah.  I don't know where you are getting your information, but they are mistaken.

 

Solomon`s Temple, sacred Place is referred to as `Hieron,` as in John 10: 23 - Jesus was walking in the temple (hieron) in the portico of Solomon.`

 

Whereas the Apostle Paul uses the Greek word `Naos,` when referring to the abomination set up in the temple at Jerusalem but not at the Mount Moriah site.

 

  The word Hieron refers to the inner sanctuary where the priests ministered.   When referring to the temple structure as a whole, the word naos is used.

 

It is not referencing two different temples in different locations.  They are talking about two different aspects of the same temple and it is the one on Moriah.

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Ouch! I thought my link was bad enough. This is worse.

Good luck rebutting that Matey.

Spock watching with popcorn in hand

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Hi Shiloh 357 & all,

 

Don`t choke on your popcorn now Spock. I think we must all be looking at different Bibles & concordances.

 

For example Matthew 24: 1 Jesus & His disciples are looking at the Temple buildings, the ones that would be torn down.

 

`Jesus came out from the temple (hieron) & was going away when His disciples came to point out the temple buildings (heiron) to Him.` 

 

Clearly the Temple that was where Solomon built & clearly all the buildings.

 

 

Then we have the Apostle Paul saying -

 

`the man of lawlessness...who opposes & exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (naos) of God displaying himself as being God.`  (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

 

 

Now my Strong`s Concordance tells me that -

 

`heiron,` means a sacred place ie. the entire precincts of the temple,   while

 

`naos,` means to dwell, a fane, a shrine, temple. Obviously not used for describing where Solomon`s temple was.

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Is that the temple that um supposed to be built and the anti christ supposed to take over. Is that the one.  :mellow:

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Hi tigger398,

 

Yes that is what I believe. This temple that is now Jerusalem`s temple will be where the `abomination of desolation` will be - the Anti-Christ displaying himself as God in Jerusalem`s temple. (Naos)

 

The site of Solomon`s temple  (Heiron) & then the second temple by Nehemiah (& added to by Herod) is on the Mount of Moriah. This is where the Dome of the Rock is, so that is not going to be destroyed any time soon. I`m sure the Muslims would have something to say about that.  The third temple to be built on that special site, will, I believe be built in the Millennium after Christ returns.

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Hi Shiloh 357 & all,

 

Don`t choke on your popcorn now Spock. I think we must all be looking at different Bibles & concordances.

 

For example Matthew 24: 1 Jesus & His disciples are looking at the Temple buildings, the ones that would be torn down.

 

`Jesus came out from the temple (hieron) & was going away when His disciples came to point out the temple buildings (heiron) to Him.` 

 

Clearly the Temple that was where Solomon built & clearly all the buildings.

 

 

Then we have the Apostle Paul saying -

 

`the man of lawlessness...who opposes & exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (naos) of God displaying himself as being God.`  (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

 

 

Now my Strong`s Concordance tells me that -

 

`heiron,` means a sacred place ie. the entire precincts of the temple,   while

 

`naos,` means to dwell, a fane, a shrine, temple. Obviously not used for describing where Solomon`s temple was.

Sorry, but just citing Strong's concordance doesn't cover it.  You evidently don't know how to use Strong's Concordance, nor do you understand basic principles of hermeneutics.

 

Heiron refers to the inner sancturary of the temple located on the temple mount and is used that way in the following passages  (Mat. 4:5; 12:5,6; 21:12,14,15,23; 24:1; 26:55; Mark 11:11,15,16,27; 12:35; 13:1,3; 14:49; Luke 2:27,37,46; 4:9; 18:10; 19:45,47; 20:1; 21:5,37,38; 22:52,53; 24:53; John 2:14,15; 5:14; 7:14,28; 8:2,20,59; 10:23; 11:56; 18:20; Acts 2:46; 3:1,2,3,8,10; 4:1; 5:20,21,24,25,42; 19:27; 21:26,27,28,29,30; 22:17; 24:6,12,18; 25:8; 26:21; 1Co. 9:13)

 

Now the word Naos when referring to a physical temple, is always referencing the temple on Moriah and that is proven by the following passages:  (Mat. 23:16,17,21,35; 26:61; 27:5,40,51; Mark 14:58; 15:29,38; Luke 1:9,21,22; 23:45; John 2:19,20,21; Acts 7:48; 17:24; 19:24;  2Th. 2:4; Rev. 3:12; 7:15; 11:1,2,19; 14:15,17; 15:5,6,8; 16:1,17; 21:22)

The ONLY times that Naos is not used in reference to the Moriah temple is when it is spiritualized to refer to the believer in Jesus:  (1Co. 3:16,17; 6:19; 2Co. 6:16; Eph. 2:21)

 

Marilyn, your claim is simply not tenable.  There is NO place in Scripture that would allow you to place the physical, end times temple anywhere but in Jerusalem.  There is no way rabbinic Judaism would sanction a temple anywhere but on the temple mount. 

 

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So, when did Israel return to the Old Covenant? When did the sacrifces for sin begin. Where are the Red calves without blemish?

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Hi Shiloh 357 & all,

 

Don`t choke on your popcorn now Spock. I think we must all be looking at different Bibles & concordances.

 

For example Matthew 24: 1 Jesus & His disciples are looking at the Temple buildings, the ones that would be torn down.

 

`Jesus came out from the temple (hieron) & was going away when His disciples came to point out the temple buildings (heiron) to Him.` 

 

Clearly the Temple that was where Solomon built & clearly all the buildings.

 

 

Then we have the Apostle Paul saying -

 

`the man of lawlessness...who opposes & exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (naos) of God displaying himself as being God.`  (2 Thess. 2: 3 & 4)

 

 

Now my Strong`s Concordance tells me that -

 

`heiron,` means a sacred place ie. the entire precincts of the temple,   while

 

`naos,` means to dwell, a fane, a shrine, temple. Obviously not used for describing where Solomon`s temple was.

Sorry, but just citing Strong's concordance doesn't cover it.  You evidently don't know how to use Strong's Concordance, nor do you understand basic principles of hermeneutics.

 

Heiron refers to the inner sancturary of the temple located on the temple mount and is used that way in the following passages  (Mat. 4:5; 12:5,6; 21:12,14,15,23; 24:1; 26:55; Mark 11:11,15,16,27; 12:35; 13:1,3; 14:49; Luke 2:27,37,46; 4:9; 18:10; 19:45,47; 20:1; 21:5,37,38; 22:52,53; 24:53; John 2:14,15; 5:14; 7:14,28; 8:2,20,59; 10:23; 11:56; 18:20; Acts 2:46; 3:1,2,3,8,10; 4:1; 5:20,21,24,25,42; 19:27; 21:26,27,28,29,30; 22:17; 24:6,12,18; 25:8; 26:21; 1Co. 9:13)

 

Now the word Naos when referring to a physical temple, is always referencing the temple on Moriah and that is proven by the following passages:  (Mat. 23:16,17,21,35; 26:61; 27:5,40,51; Mark 14:58; 15:29,38; Luke 1:9,21,22; 23:45; John 2:19,20,21; Acts 7:48; 17:24; 19:24;  2Th. 2:4; Rev. 3:12; 7:15; 11:1,2,19; 14:15,17; 15:5,6,8; 16:1,17; 21:22)

The ONLY times that Naos is not used in reference to the Moriah temple is when it is spiritualized to refer to the believer in Jesus:  (1Co. 3:16,17; 6:19; 2Co. 6:16; Eph. 2:21)

 

Marilyn, your claim is simply not tenable.  There is NO place in Scripture that would allow you to place the physical, end times temple anywhere but in Jerusalem.  There is no way rabbinic Judaism would sanction a temple anywhere but on the temple mount. 

 

 

When did the Arab world allow the building of the Temple on the Temple Mound?

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We know that on the temple Mount  that the first temple by Solomon was built. Then later after that had been torn down the second temple was built by Nehemiah & others. Now from scripture (Ezekiel) we are told that there will be a third temple built on this very spot, the Temple Mount. Now every reference to all three temples on this site was a translation of the Greek word `Hieron.`

 

Any temple erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word `Naos.` This word is frequently rendered `meeting place,` `dwelling` or `Synagogue.`

 

 

Now people believe that this temple on Mount Moriah has to be built before the Lord returns because of the `abomination` in the Holy Place that the Lord & the Apostle Paul spoke of in Matt. 24: 15 & 2 Thess. 2: 4. But that is incorrect & has caused much confusion. it is the word `Naos,` (temple elsewhere) that is used for the temple that the Anti-Christ will set up the abomination. And this temple has already been built.

 

 

On August 1982 in the presence of the prime Minister, Menachem Begin,  Members of Cabinet & other notables, the Jerusalem great Synagogue was dedicated. it is situated in King George Street, & is constructed from the same local stone as was Solomon`s Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five magnificent stain-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the ten Commandments.

 

 

In the interior, marble has been used extensively, especially for the Ark situated beneath the stained-glass windows. This, I believe is the Holy Place which will be desecrated by the `Abomination` referred to by Jesus.

 

 

The Temple referred to by the Apostle Paul is Built!

 

 

Solomon`s Temple, sacred Place is referred to as `Hieron,` as in John 10: 23 - Jesus was walking in the temple (hieron) in the portico of Solomon.`

 

Whereas the Apostle Paul uses the Greek word `Naos,` when referring to the abomination set up in the temple at Jerusalem but not at the Mount Moriah site.

 

`(the anti - Christ) who opposes & exalts himself above every so called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (Naos) of God, displaying himself as being God.`  (2 Thess 2: 4)

 

There is one issue though.

 

A meeting place like a synagogue, is just that, a meeting place. The building itself is not holy. The cabinet which contains the Torah and other writings is considered Holy, only because it contains the Torah. You can defile the Torah but not the meeting place. The view of the Torah as holy is Jewish tradition. Anything which contains the Name of God is considered to require special handling and is considered 'holy'. A synagogue is not considered holy as God's presence is not in a synagogue, and a synagogue is not a biblical command.   In scripture, the Temple was referred to as the Holy Place. I do not believe any synagogues were ever considered to be a holy place in the NT. That term was reserved for the Temple.

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can Gods presences ever be in the temple until Jesus returns.....  I don't think I've ever pondered that.

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can Gods presences ever be in the temple until Jesus returns.....  I don't think I've ever pondered that.

 

Is not God's presence always on the site of the Temple? That's why nobody has ever been permitted to build any other place of worship to false gods on that very spot.

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Hi tigger398,

 

Yes that is what I believe. This temple that is now Jerusalem`s temple will be where the `abomination of desolation` will be - the Anti-Christ displaying himself as God in Jerusalem`s temple. (Naos)

 

The site of Solomon`s temple  (Heiron) & then the second temple by Nehemiah (& added to by Herod) is on the Mount of Moriah. This is where the Dome of the Rock is, so that is not going to be destroyed any time soon. I`m sure the Muslims would have something to say about that.  The third temple to be built on that special site, will, I believe be built in the Millennium after Christ returns.

 

The Dome of the Rock is not on the spot of the Temple. It stands where the court of the Gentiles was. The spot where the Temple stood is free and has plenty of room to build the Third Temple regardless of whether the mosque is there or not.

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So, when did Israel return to the Old Covenant? When did the sacrifces for sin begin. Where are the Red calves without blemish?

 

Israel, as a people/nation, is still obligated to the Mosaic covenant. That hasn't changed since Israel received the Mosaic covenant. They are not always obedient, and there have been other times when sacrifices were not possible (Babylonian exhile), but Israel is still obligated. 

 

On the side, they do have a red heifer.

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can Gods presences ever be in the temple until Jesus returns.....  I don't think I've ever pondered that.

 

Believe it or not, I have thought about that. I do not believe Gods presence will be in the Temple which is defiled by the anti-christ. In Ezekiel 8 thru 11, Ezekiel receives a word from God, concerning the rebellion and sins of the children of Israel. Ezekiel witnesses Gods glory depart the Temple. Ezekiel then asks if this is the end of the children of Israel, and God says no, but the response seems to indicate to me, a future time which is in the New Covenant.

 

Ezekiel 11:12  And ye shall know that I am the Lord: for ye have not walked in my statutes, neither executed my judgments, but have done after the manners of the heathen that are round about you.

13 And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?

14 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

15 Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the Lord: unto us is this land given in possession.

16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.

17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.

19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

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I feel very confident in saying this- God's presence will not be in any Temple until the temple described in Ezekiel 40-49 is built, and that won't be until after Christ returns.

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I feel very confident in saying this- God's presence will not be in any Temple until the temple described in Ezekiel 40-49 is built, and that won't be until after Christ returns.

I agree.

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can Gods presences ever be in the temple until Jesus returns.....  I don't think I've ever pondered that.

 

Is not God's presence always on the site of the Temple? That's why nobody has ever been permitted to build any other place of worship to false gods on that very spot.

 

 

 

But....isn't the Dome of the Rock built on that spot?  That would be a place of worship of a false god.

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