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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

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he let me know one night in the shower fighting with two demons that was not the least bit hard to believe in....   saved my sorry self   from great disaster.

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btw i would not recommend trying to meet God on a personal level that way..

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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

What if He did let you know He existed?  Then what?

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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

What if He did let you know He existed?  Then what?

 

 

Well that's easy. For one it means everlasting life, who dosen't want that. It would also mean marrying my girlfriend of 13 years so we're not living in sin. The main thing would be that it would be nice to know my religious relatives who have died have gone to somewhere better. I cant see any downside to a God existing. 

 

Did he reveal himself to other people on this site or is it a faith thing or how did you come to believe.

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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

 

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Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

 

For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

 

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

 

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

 

For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:22-28

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"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart" Jeremiah 29:13

That pretty much sums it up for me, that's when I found Him. I had to get so far away and so low to seek Him, but now I am so, so blessed. Thank You Jesus, amen.

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Read, read and read. That's how I found Him and He blessed me with so much faith. It was a slow transition for me but He is so patient and so loving and I am more joy filled every day. I will pray for you.

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I approached Him in faith and humility. Then He proved Himself to me. 

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I approached Him in faith and humility. Then He proved Himself to me. 

 

When you say proved, was this in the sense that you felt his presence, or did he speak to you. Just wondering. Do people feel his presence spiritually or does it feel likes hes talking to you. Just curious.

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I've been mad at God, ignored God and of course even insisted that my good works would get me into heaven.  But I can't ever recall thinking that there was no God.  Even before I was born again, I knew that He existed.  My only proof would be that He waited for me to answer the door when He had been knocking for some time.

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Well that's easy. For one it means everlasting life, who dosen't want that. It would also mean marrying my girlfriend of 13 years so we're not living in sin. The main thing would be that it would be nice to know my religious relatives who have died have gone to somewhere better. I cant see any downside to a God existing. 

 

Did he reveal himself to other people on this site or is it a faith thing or how did you come to believe.

Why would you think you would have everlasting life?

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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

What if He did let you know He existed?  Then what?

 

 

Well that's easy. For one it means everlasting life, who dosen't want that. It would also mean marrying my girlfriend of 13 years so we're not living in sin. The main thing would be that it would be nice to know my religious relatives who have died have gone to somewhere better. I cant see any downside to a God existing. 

 

Did he reveal himself to other people on this site or is it a faith thing or how did you come to believe.

 

Believing in God doesn't bring eternal life.   Just because your relatives were "religious"  doesn't mean they went to heaven.  No one goes to heaven just because they participate in the Christian religion.

 

Would you trust the Lord enough to make Jesus the Lord and Savior of your life?  

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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

Job 38:22 "Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow?" Every snow flake is unique and beautiful - Job37:7 "He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work" unique fingerprints... You can ask for proof all day long you can receive answers all day long ..If you are sincere in knowing Him then ask Him sincerely

Glory to God

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God reveals Himself in nature. It is in the miracle of new life, the beauty of the relentless crashing waves of the ocean, or the fathomless depths of space and numberless galaxies. Yet in all of it there is one tiny area called earth where mankind can exist. If you can't believe that all of this had to have a Creator, you know little about the statistical laws of probabilites. There is no chance it could have happened by accident.

But believing that such a Creator is aware of something as insignificant is you or me is something else.

I challange you to buy a book called Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Feelings come and go. They are not dependable evidence. The way to know God is to acknowledge that you are not perfect and that there is no possible way for you to get to heaven. You can never be good enough to please God. Then to believe that He loves you and will help you because of Jesus' dieing for you sins. That is when you will begin to feel and think differently. That is also what enables you to start understanding the Bible. That is when you start feeling peace love and joy deep inside. You don't look for feelings. They are the result of what happens when you know that you absolutely need help and you ask God, if there is a God, to help you.

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Jesus was on the earth and raising people from the dead, healing blind eyes, exercising personal power over nature and yet the majority still did not believe in Him, though He proved Himself before  their very eyes.

 

In fact, the more people he healed, the more He proved He was God, the more they hated Him.   So in truth, human nature being what it is, there is nothing God could do to prove His existence to anyone that would cause them, on that basis to believe in Him.

 

It isn't about a lack of evidence.  There is plenty of evidence.  It is the hardness of stubborn, prideful,  wicked human hearts who hate the truth and love sin that keeps people from believing.

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God revealed himself to me by provoking me to pray to him and then answering my prayers. This began a long journey of getting to know the creator. I have come to know him in ways I never thought possible. I absolutely feel the presence of God in me too. The degree to which I can sense his presence depends on what he ia willing to give of his Spirit unto me. The greatest experience I ever had with his presence left me feeling like I would never need to move again. As if I would never need to eat or drink again. I was absolutely content in every imaginable way. I describe my regular encounters with God as being rocketed into another dimension parallel to our own. Truly head in the clouds and feet on the ground stuff.

I absolutely encourage everyone to seek to know the depths of God.

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Jesus was on the earth and raising people from the dead, healing blind eyes, exercising personal power over nature and yet the majority still did not believe in Him, though He proved Himself before  their very eyes.

 

In fact, the more people he healed, the more He proved He was God, the more they hated Him.   So in truth, human nature being what it is, there is nothing God could do to prove His existence to anyone that would cause them, on that basis to believe in Him.

 

It isn't about a lack of evidence.  There is plenty of evidence.  It is the hardness of stubborn, prideful,  wicked human hearts who hate the truth and love sin that keeps people from believing.

I believe that thre are some who, even if they had evidence and believed in God/Jesus/The Holy Ghost, would not worship He/Them.  Just look at the Bible especially Exodus where God was performing miracles left and right and the Jewish people still wanted to worship a golden calf.  Why...?  Because God made us weak, and allowed suffering. 

 

I'm sure He knew what He was doing with that combination, but it is difficut to understand how we can be made this way and then punished for our weaknesses.

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....it is difficult to understand how we can be made this way....

 

....and then punished for our weaknesses....

 

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Beloved,

 

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: James 1:13

 

Don't Blame

 

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

 

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:14-15

 

God

 

Do not err, my beloved brethren.

 

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:16-17

 

See....

 

And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:

Remembering mine affliction and my misery, the wormwood and the gall.

 

My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.

 

This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.

 

It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

 

They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. Lamentations 3:18-23

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I believe that thre are some who, even if they had evidence and believed in God/Jesus/The Holy Ghost, would not worship He/Them.  Just look at the Bible especially Exodus where God was performing miracles left and right and the Jewish people still wanted to worship a golden calf.  Why...?  Because God made us weak, and allowed suffering. 

 

Yes, God has revealed himself in miraculous ways and people who knew He existed chose to rebel. But He didn't make us that way.  He didn't make us weak.  God created us perfect and with a heart to love Him.

 

It is our sin and our rebellion that has brought condemnation on us. 

 

I'm sure He knew what He was doing with that combination, but it is difficut to understand how we can be made this way and then punished for our weaknesses.

 

 

 

Man is punished because He rejects Jesus and the gift of eternal life

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So here's my question. "If God exists then why dosen't he let people know he exists". I'm 35, never hugely religious, have read the bible when i was a young lad (i'm actually going to launch into it again in a few weeks) but have never felt that i know that God exists.

 

I have no problem with praising a creator but i have never felt the presence of God so i don't know who or what to praise. I  hope i'm not coming across as arrogant but i would like some sort of sign that he exists. Is this asking too much or is it too much to ask God to reveal himself to you. 

What sort of sign are you looking for? He has given you plenty of them my friend!  

 

Look at the world around you - does it look like it came about by chance?

 

Look at yourself - do you believe you just evolved from nothing? 

 

Look at human nature - what else, other then the Bible describes human nature

 

Look at the empty tomb of the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

Look at the changed lives of Christians?

 

You might not wish to come across as arrogant, but in truth friend, anyone who says they are looking for a sign is really ignoring the evidence that God has given, which Paul tell us is more then enough to be convincing (Rom 1:20) and demanding something more - and that is arrogance. It is like driving to a city, ignoring the sign posts along the way and then complaining that no one gave you directions!  

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You might not wish to come across as arrogant, but in truth friend, anyone who says they are looking for a sign is really ignoring the evidence that God has given, which Paul tell us is more then enough to be convincing (Rom 1:20) and demanding something more - and that is arrogance. It is like driving to a city, ignoring the sign posts along the way and then complaining that no one gave you directions!

One could argue that Paul can really only speak for himself. What is "convincing" to me or someone else is not up to Paul.

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You might not wish to come across as arrogant, but in truth friend, anyone who says they are looking for a sign is really ignoring the evidence that God has given, which Paul tell us is more then enough to be convincing (Rom 1:20) and demanding something more - and that is arrogance. It is like driving to a city, ignoring the sign posts along the way and then complaining that no one gave you directions!

One could argue that Paul can really only speak for himself. What is "convincing" to me or someone else is not up to Paul.

 

One could only argue that if one has grasped Paul's premise in the early chapters of Romans, namely that every single person is without excuse before God - his whole point is that the evidence he presents is not subjective but objective, and when analysed rationally it will lead to the same conclusion - that God exists - of course he also explains that people will suppress that knowledge (Rom 1:18) meaning do everything they can to ignore the only logical conclusion. One way people do that is by placing their own standards upon what is acceptable evidence and what isn't .  

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One could only argue that if one has grasped Paul's premise in the early chapters of Romans, namely that every single person is without excuse before God - his whole point is that the evidence he presents is not subjective but objective, and when analysed rationally it will lead to the same conclusion - that God exists - of course he also explains that people will suppress that knowledge (Rom 1:18) meaning do everything they can to ignore the only logical conclusion. One way people do that is by placing their own standards upon what is acceptable evidence and what isn't .

Objective evidence still needs to be interpreted, interpretations can vary. I don't know the nature of the origins of Universes so I'm not compelled to necessarily believe any God created one. Now if one wants to, they could resort to trying to disparage my character by claiming that I'm suppressing knowledge or that I'm a wicked person. We all place our own standards as to what is acceptable evidence for a claim. Why do you think we have a jury?

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One could only argue that if one has grasped Paul's premise in the early chapters of Romans, namely that every single person is without excuse before God - his whole point is that the evidence he presents is not subjective but objective, and when analysed rationally it will lead to the same conclusion - that God exists - of course he also explains that people will suppress that knowledge (Rom 1:18) meaning do everything they can to ignore the only logical conclusion. One way people do that is by placing their own standards upon what is acceptable evidence and what isn't .

Objective evidence still needs to be interpreted, interpretations can vary. I don't know the nature of the origins of Universes so I'm not compelled to necessarily believe any God created one. Now if one wants to, they could resort to trying to disparage my character by claiming that I'm suppressing knowledge or that I'm a wicked person. We all place our own standards as to what is acceptable evidence for a claim. Why do you think we have a jury?

 

 

It is not disparaging your character to say you are wicked - we all are wicked people! This is however the very heart of issue, the OP was all about wanting a sign that God exists, I responded to that by saying that God has given clear signs to his existence - those signs may not be convincing to you, but that isn't because the signs are not convincing it is because you want to believe something else and that is your prerogative. You are free to believe whatever you wish to believe! However to compare the evidence of God's existence to a court case is to compare apples and oranges - you make a category error. The Bible does not ask us to evaluate the evidence and make an informed decision rather it demands that we worship the living God who has graciously revealed himself to us!  

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