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I have a very simple question: Am I condemned to hell?

 

Now let me give you some information.  I grew up in church (I realize that this isn't entirely relevant) and accepted Christ's gift at an early age.  I followed him and now I don't. Not entirely, anyway. I do what is required of me albeit very unhappily. I still choose to accept this gift despite the fact that I would prefer another option. I don't want to go to heaven, but I don't want to be cast into hell more. So I ask again, Am I condemned to hell anyway?



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I moved your question to a more appropriate forum. I also changed you to seeker, which is due to your admittance of not sure what the truth is or even your future in Him.

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I have a very simple question: Am I condemned to hell?

 

Now let me give you some information.  I grew up in church (I realize that this isn't entirely relevant) and accepted Christ's gift at an early age.  I followed him and now I don't. Not entirely, anyway. I do what is required of me albeit very unhappily. I still choose to accept this gift despite the fact that I would prefer another option. I don't want to go to heaven, but I don't want to be cast into hell more. So I ask again, Am I condemned to hell anyway?

Can you elaborate more on what you think it means to "accept Christ's gift?"   What does that mean to you?

 

You say you used to follow Him (I am assuming that "Him" means Jesus).  What exactly did you do that you think qualifies as following Him?

 

And why don't you want to go to heaven?



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You don't sound like you are saved to me, which would mean you are condemned to hell, but I don't have enough to go by.  I don't understand why you don't want to go to heaven.  Are you the person that said in another post you don't want to live forever?  You really only have two choices, heaven or hell.  Ceasing to exist isn't an option.  My advise to you is to make things right with God to make sure you are not heading for hell.  Believe me when I tell you that if you go to heaven, you will be happy there.  You will be happy there a million years from now, a billion years from now and a trillion years from now.  You won't be feeling the way you are now.  You will have a glorified body that won't ever know sickness.  You will have things to do that will be fulfilling.  As the old gospel song says, "Everybody Will Be Happy Over There."  Oh, and you won't know depression over there either, and it sounds like you are a very depressed person. 



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I have heard more people say that they are going to hell or don't care if they go to hell because their friends are there yet have a great fear of death. They cannot explain why yet will not listen to the amazing things that God has prepared for  those who love Him. Why is it that you do not care if you go to eternal damnation and total separation from love but will willingly endure total separation and eternal darkness? Is love not something that  is in your life? God will provide it if you turn to Him. God truly is 'Love so amazing' that does demand your soul but in its place leaves total peace and contentment.



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Have your sins washed clean in the blood of the lamb, and are you living for him? Only you can answer those questions, but if your answer is 'no' that means you are not yet saved! 



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My dad once told me. I can guarantee you that you would not want to come back to earth after going to heaven.



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If you are not sure that you have been saved, then you more than likely haven't been. If you have been saved, you would know it. Just saying at some point in your life that you want to be a Christian doesn't make you one.

 

Like others have said, you really haven't given enough information and only you can really know the answer to this. We can only help guide you through The Word and the Holy Spirit.

 

Believe me, you do want to go to Heaven. The only other option is Hell which is not where you want to be.



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I understand what You mean Septim about not wanting to go to heaven neither wanting to Go to hell. But things arent as simple or difficulty as They seem. Deep inside your still inquiring but what you have Witness hasnt given You much Place that Heaven is all that Good. Well Heaven supposedly be better then Earth, but hell isnt as bad as many make it out to seem, nor is as they make it out to be. It is a total different institution then what Christianity has been teaching.

 

I dont Want to say to much, but If your truelly have the best Interrest for yourself in mind [ie. imagin God having a better interrest in heart for you]

Do the best you can with the measure your given, let it slowly come to you, put ur emphasis on now, doing good without worryn about where Your end up, Cuz who knows what will Happen.

 

Direct your Question on that


Edited by trueTHAT, 17 August 2014 - 07:54 AM.


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Something that I have heard since my rebirth 'til present times is this, 'a lost person doesn't wonder if they are going to hell'. Thusly, if you are concerned more than a little of being separated from Christ and cast into the Lake of Fire, as the belief goes, then it is a good sign you ARE saved. I don't know how much truth is in that.

Personally, I have feared of condemnation, a big percentage of my Christian Life, but now all that fear has melted away by truth.

I hope to be given something else shortly.

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I have a very simple question: Am I condemned to hell?

 

Now let me give you some information.  I grew up in church (I realize that this isn't entirely relevant) and accepted Christ's gift at an early age.  I followed him and now I don't. Not entirely, anyway. I do what is required of me albeit very unhappily. I still choose to accept this gift despite the fact that I would prefer another option. I don't want to go to heaven, but I don't want to be cast into hell more. So I ask again, Am I condemned to hell anyway?

 

 

 

 

Hi brother Septim,

 

Hopefully, you are still around to find out that you are still saved, but just not abiding in Him as His disciple to be received as a vessel unto honour in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre tribulational rapture event.

 

If you read the verses below; an example was given about how a believer can err from the truth by a lie and have their faith overthrown, but do note the following verses of that reality in Christ Jesus.

 

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

 

So the call here is that for all former believers to look to Jesus for help in discerning the truth of those things that turned you away.  The desire for His disciples to correct believers that have gone astray is for those astray to be restored to the faith so as to obtain the "eternal glory" that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus which is to be a vessel unto honour in His House.

 

As it is, God is coming to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 KJV only ) and I can trust the faithful Creator in the keeping of those souls of those saints left behind for not looking to the author & finisher of our faith to depart from iniquity thus they are to suffer as castaways to witness the coming great tribulation. ( Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 )

 

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

Any work that denies Him, saved believers as well as former believers will be denied, but even though they no longer believe, He still abides in them as promised for all those that come to & believed in Jesus Christ; even in His name.  John 1:12-13

 

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

So what are you doing that you believe you should do but unhappily?

 

And what is it that you are doing that you know it is not as a believer should be doing when following Him?

 

Maybe your question should be:  "What so great about Heaven?"

 

God is good and anything apart from God is not good.  Sin is driving us away from all that is God and good to a place that is not.

 

The vessel unto honour will be like the angels in Heaven;  neither marrying nor given in marriage.  I see that as having the ability to fly.

 

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

Plus the elect can die no more.  This being a Worthy Christian Fourm, it should should be ironic that being His disciples by His grace & by His help is how one can be worthy to obtain that first fruit of the resurrection.  It is significant because vessels unto honour in His House are of gold and silver whereas the vessels unto dishonour are of earth and wood.  It is telltaling because those coming out of the great tribulation for being left behind will become kings and priests for the milleniel reign of Christ.  That would mean second best inheritance that would require them to marry in being leaders by example & where the second death has no power meaning they cannot be cast into the lake of fire, but the first death, physical death can still touch them, even though Jesus can still bring them back to life.  Eventually after the milleniel reign of Christ and after the defeat of Satan in his last staged rebellion, death and hades will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death and then those vessels unto dishonour will be free from the first death ever touching them.

 

There is also that inheritance in New Jerusalem which is that City of God that will come down with her inhabitants as Jesus had referred to that as our Father's mansion.  People that add to the book of Revelations will get the plagues mentioned in the book which means they will be left behind to go through the great tribulation and those that take away the words of the book of Revelation, they will have their "part" not their "name", but their "part" which is their portion or place out of the city of God, thus also indicative of going through the great tribulation as well.  Also, seeing how Jesus can go through walls wherein we will be like Him, also suggest other superpowers at our disposals than what we deem as angels for having.  So between the two eternal inheritance, which one do you want?  Do remember that those left behind will be weeping and gnashing their teeth which is why God had to perform a miracle in wiping the tears from their eyes to get past that loss of their first inheritance of all those resurrected saints coming out of the great tribulation so that loss will be keenly felt because that kind of inheritance can never be offered again.  This is why I trust Him as my Good Shepherd to help me abide in Him & His words as kept in the KJV in living as His disciples by His grace & by His help to be ready to go when the Bridegroom comes, and why I hope you will bring your problems to Jesus to help you with whatever it is that is turning you away from Him because you are saved regardless, but you should consider what it is you may be giving up for not leaning on Him in following Him.

 



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Blessings septim

    Welcome to Worthy.....well I guess you are right,you probably won't like Heaven.it may not be the place for you ,,,,there is going to be singing in  Praise to our Lord 24/7 & celebration ,dancing ,singing,excitement & just sheer joy in the Presence of God,,,,,,,you don't strike me as someone that would enjoy those things,,,,,more like the "lukewarm"folks that Jesus talks about.....but I don;t think you have to really worry about it because Jesus said that those that sit on the fence,neither hot or cold,,,,He will spit out of His mouth & won't know You either!!!

     Sorry,I was just being sarcastic but not that I am not speaking Gods Truth to you.....you see,you do not have the Joy of the Lord in You...you sound so unhappy to me & I  would like nothing better than for you to be excited for Jesus because you know how much He loves you & for you to be thrilled with anticipation of Heaven.......Truly,I don't know your heart,I don't know if you are Saved or not but it is time for you to really find out.....time is running out Septim & there is no guarantee we will even love until the morning......so find out,it is between you & our Lord.......

    When Christ lives in you,you can have a life more abundant ,right here & now,a Shadow of what is to come....I think if you experience that then you will have a real yearning for Heaven ,,,,seek God,go to Him,,,,,,,He will reveal Himself to you if you earnestly seek Him......there is no time than the present ,hurry ,don't risk your eternal life & by all means ,,,,,be either hot or cold

                                                                                                                                        With love-in Christ,Kwik



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I have a very simple question: Am I condemned to hell?

 

Now let me give you some information.  I grew up in church (I realize that this isn't entirely relevant) and accepted Christ's gift at an early age.  I followed him and now I don't. Not entirely, anyway. I do what is required of me albeit very unhappily. I still choose to accept this gift despite the fact that I would prefer another option. I don't want to go to heaven, but I don't want to be cast into hell more. So I ask again, Am I condemned to hell anyway?

First you dont have a choice.  You go where you belong.  There is no neutral party.  EVERYONE goes to one place or the other.

 

 

Choosing to accept a gift is different from receiving it.

 

1) learn how they did sacrifices in the OT.

Priests had to get an animal without blemish

Lay hands on the animal to pass sin to the sacrifice

Bleed the sacrifice to death because the atonement is in the blood.

 

2) relate this to Christ.

 

3) look at the differences between the two deeply.

 

4) understand jesus said "repent and believe" for an example read acts 10 and the end of the chpter shows people who have not spoken a word, prayed, be baptized or did a single good thing.  Instead it shows people repenting of their sin in heart and believing in heart and is why they received the holy spirit.  THERE IS NO OTHER WAY THAN THIS.

 

5) 1 john is a treasure chest and should be read carefully.  Example, 1 john 5:6 speaking of jesus water and his blood.  1 John 2:2 showing his sacrifice covered "not only our sin," meaning the church "but also the sin of the whole world".  

 

 

Growing up in church and believing in some way in God doesnt mean you're save.  On the contrary, Aarons sons believed in God but offered strange fire to God.  The result was that they were consumed by the fire of God.  In this manner its important to believe as the word says, dont be bias to any one belief and be very open minded to change if the evidence shows itself.  At the same time you have to be stubborn to change and PROVE it for your self.  Prove everything.  .  Just because 99% of people hold a certain view doesnt mean its right.  The bible says VERY FEW people will inherit life.  


Edited by Wildstar, 19 August 2014 - 01:37 AM.


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I ask you this, does Christ have your heart? Because if he doesn't, Satan does.

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I ask you this, does Christ have your heart? Because if he doesn't, Satan does.

Now that's a downright spooky thought.



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I have a very simple question: Am I condemned to hell?

 

Now let me give you some information.  I grew up in church (I realize that this isn't entirely relevant) and accepted Christ's gift at an early age.  I followed him and now I don't. Not entirely, anyway. I do what is required of me albeit very unhappily. I still choose to accept this gift despite the fact that I would prefer another option. I don't want to go to heaven, but I don't want to be cast into hell more. So I ask again, Am I condemned to hell anyway?

I think only Jesus would know the answer to that question.....   We are instructed to love him with all our heart and soul and to love other people as ourselves.....     I don't recall anything about enjoying it, though that would not be anything I personally have experienced or had anyone express to me that considered themselves saved.

 

i find it rather disturbing that you don't want to go to heaven.....   for we have no inkling of an idea what God has in store for us.   He actually says that in the Bible.   I believe it says we can not conceive those things.

 

So I don't understand why you would reject heaven.   I think it would take some very deep conversation to get to the root of the reasons you feel the way you do, but to answer your question, none of us can know if you are saved or not.  None of us are the same and our walks are all different and there is no way to know where you are along that route.

 

It does bother me that you don't seem to have a real love of God, you seem more afraid of him, but that's just my first impression.   I'm wondering if you have truly been shown what/who he is.   I say that from my own childhood growing up in the Church of Christ and how I felt at age 18.

 

 

edited to add     I'm 67 now


Edited by other one, 20 August 2014 - 11:19 AM.


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Just a reminder hell is not a temp. thing. It is forever. You go in, you don't come out.



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you said "i don't want to go to heaven, but i don't want to go to hell more". 

 

and i have to ask.... WHY do you not want to go to heaven? what is it about heaven that is undesirable to you?



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I ask you this, does Christ have your heart? Because if he doesn't, Satan does.

Now that's a downright spooky thought.

Very much is.... We must repent and do all Christ asks of us but one thing the Bible regularly brings up is love. Love is more important than most things!

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I followed him and now I don't.

 

Everyone who is not born again is condemned to hell, yes. There are "followers" and then there are those are who born again.

 

Matt 18:3 And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Eph 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Matt 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

I don't want to go to heaven, but I don't want to be cast into hell more.

 

A born again christian YEARNS for heaven, to the point where they call heaven their eternal home. A born again christian YEARNS to see Jesus.






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