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Very late last night I heard a call in talk show about this disturbing topic. It's the idea that God put you in the wrong gender body. For example a person would have the body parts of a male or female, but the person says they feel like a member of the opposite gender. I know this is a real phenomena, because I have a good online friend with a daughter in her 20's, except the girl says she feels like a guy. I even saw a You-Tube saying one grammar school somewhere, is telling the kids they can chose their own gender. I don't believe everything I hear on You Tube, but this idea seems to be getting too common.

I don't have kids nor know many people who have contact with the school systems, so I'm asking if the rest of you have heard of this? To my knowledge, regardless of what some Docs may say, we really can't change a person's gender. We can do certain things to make you look like a member of the opposite gender, but you won't be able to function as one for reproduction.

The talk show hosts also said they think this is another attack of the devil because this destroys the family notion, and destroying the family, as God created it, is anther way to lead people into lives of sin. I agree with this. I want to see what the rest of you know and think?



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God does not make mistakes. A lot of people are always wanting to be what they are not, always seeing the grass as greener on the other side of the fence, never being content with who they are or what they have.

Don't accept a lie.

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I'm not saying I accept this. I'm asking how prevalent this is. I've heard of it in the last 10 years, but it always seemed like strange people on talk shows. I mean daytime talk shows looking for people to get them rating. What I saw last night was a religious talk show, and it was presented as a topic parents need to be aware of. And this is true, because my online friend is devastated because of her daughter.  I'm not saying God put anyone in the wrong body. I'm sorry if you thought I meant that.
 



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It is a mental illness, some say it is demons, but whatever someone believes in that they are in the wrong body, they're actually mentally sick to see themselves that way. Gender identity disorder, as it's also known.

 

What is wrong in this society, and it is spreading rapidly, is that rather than being treated for what must be a horrible existence, they're instead being given special rights to trespass on healthy gender's privacy. Public bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, in public schools, as well as in the secular community of many states, is now permitted them by law.

 

Yes, my 8 year old God daughter can be finishing her swim class at the YMCA, go to the locker room to get undressed and shower and there's a fully exposed male who claims he's a female on the inside, showering in the open! Because it is an open room shower facility there. And he's legally protected! While little Cathy is  shocked to her toes!



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It is simply a mental illness (demon-caused or otherwise), but to me that's not the issue. This is not the real evil.

 

The real evil is when we call a mental illness normal. Illnesses should be cured, not pandered to!

If I go to hospital with a broken leg, I expect them to fix it, not encourage me to live with it broken, and then tell everybody that I have a right to have a broken leg, be proud of it, and expect others to respect me for choosing to keep it fractured.

 

They are trying to normalise the abnormal because they want to destroy family values and destroy the traditional God-given definitions of gender. They want to redefine gender - and this is Satan at work.

The poor, screwed-up, confused transgender people are just pawns in their game.



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As the mother of a gay/transgender, amoung other things...I can honestly tell you I don't know what it is other than a very strong attack on my family by something that definitely is not of God. Mental illness is also present. Anger and hate is also part of the package in our case.
I don't think we have to worry much about our own kids who are normal having issues with gender identity, it goes a lot deeper than that, unlike the preoccupation these days with discovering whether you like your own sex or the opposite. What is this world coming to.

I do know where the attack came from in my family though...I let something take root in my teen years when I walked away from God for a while and decided to explore other spiritual things.

Transgenders are funny mentally, even my son says they are a very strange group, and he is one of them.

The shame of the whole thing is exactly what Genisis says it is though....our kids are going to witness some pretty unheard of situations in coming years. My son was allowed to live in a women's shelter as a woman for a time during his "decision making" process. He was advised to do it by a psychiatrist.

Funny how as a parent, when you live it...and you are seen in public with your son as a woman, and all the other stuff you go through, it really doesn't matter so much anymore. Nothing is shocking.
Last summer I ran into another transgender at the beach while I was with my grandaughter...my grandaughter recognized it before I did and she was four. lol. She says "nana, how come that lady right there is like a mommy/daddy?" And she went to play with her/him and the child she/he had with him. In the car I explained to her that some people were very different, but that she was definitely going to still be a princess when she grows up!

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It is simply a mental illness (demon-caused or otherwise), but to me that's not the issue. This is not the real evil.

 

The real evil is when we call a mental illness normal. Illnesses should be cured, not pandered to!

If I go to hospital with a broken leg, I expect them to fix it, not encourage me to live with it broken, and then tell everybody that I have a right to have a broken leg, be proud of it, and expect others to respect me for choosing to keep it fractured.

 

They are trying to normalise the abnormal because they want to destroy family values and destroy the traditional God-given definitions of gender. They want to redefine gender - and this is Satan at work.

The poor, screwed-up, confused transgender people are just pawns in their game.

 

Exactly. Normalizing the abnormal is a great succinct description of what is transpiring in the agenda that seeks the decay of a moral Christian society in America today.

 

It's easier to tolerate evil than it is to fight it. Meanwhile, as one only tolerates what is otherwise intolerable, those who are opposed to that concession are the one's labeled as abnormal. Only those labels take the place names of, bigot, and phobe. Phobe being added to whatever sin or evil one is concerned with.
Homo-phobe, Trans-phobe.

 

Invoke your Christian religious values and you're told that's religious bigotry and those scriptures you cite are as good as hate speech.



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Yes, this is exactly why I made this post. And Genesis what happened to your 8 yr old God daughter is terrible. That just shouldn't be allowed. When I was in school, all the boys had to change and shower together. But we were all boys. However, back then the girls all had a private room for showering and changing. I assumed girls still have privacy. Either way, it's just not right to let girls and boys be nude together.

 

I feel that when homosexuality started becoming common, us normal folk didn't protest enough. Now it's too late. But maybe it's not too late to do something about this. I'm afraid a lot of the protesting has to come from parents, grand parents, even God parents. Adults who have children who will get hurt from this.

 

I also feel like as Christians we've been sitting back and letting Satan win for too long. At least we shouldn't make it so easy for him to destroy the mind's of our children.



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As the mother of a gay/transgender, amoung other things...I can honestly tell you I don't know what it is other than a very strong attack on my family by something that definitely is not of God. Mental illness is also present. Anger and hate is also part of the package in our case.
I don't think we have to worry much about our own kids who are normal having issues with gender identity, it goes a lot deeper than that, unlike the preoccupation these days with discovering whether you like your own sex or the opposite. What is this world coming to.

I do know where the attack came from in my family though...I let something take root in my teen years when I walked away from God for a while and decided to explore other spiritual things.

Transgenders are funny mentally, even my son says they are a very strange group, and he is one of them.

The shame of the whole thing is exactly what Genisis says it is though....our kids are going to witness some pretty unheard of situations in coming years. My son was allowed to live in a women's shelter as a woman for a time during his "decision making" process. He was advised to do it by a psychiatrist.

Funny how as a parent, when you live it...and you are seen in public with your son as a woman, and all the other stuff you go through, it really doesn't matter so much anymore. Nothing is shocking.
Last summer I ran into another transgender at the beach while I was with my grandaughter...my grandaughter recognized it before I did and she was four. lol. She says "nana, how come that lady right there is like a mommy/daddy?" And she went to play with her/him and the child she/he had with him. In the car I explained to her that some people were very different, but that she was definitely going to still be a princess when she grows up!

 

Sorry your family is going through this.

Perhaps though this is not something that you caused in your teens but simply your son following his fallen nature? Praying.

God bless,

GE



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She ran screaming from the shower room, towel wrapped around her, straight to her mom in the lobby.
Her mommy went to the security guard at the front desk , who was half way to them at the time because she'd heard the screams, and after reporting there was a man in the women's/girls shower , which meant he had walked through the womens locker room to get there, was informed that it was perfectly legal! And there was nothing that could be done. Becuase he had rights since he 'identified' as a woman.

 

 

Yes, this is exactly why I made this post. And Genesis what happened to your 8 yr old God daughter is terrible. That just shouldn't be allowed. When I was in school, all the boys had to change and shower together. But we were all boys. However, back then the girls all had a private room for showering and changing. I assumed girls still have privacy. Either way, it's just not right to let girls and boys be nude together.

 

I feel that when homosexuality started becoming common, us normal folk didn't protest enough. Now it's too late. But maybe it's not too late to do something about this. I'm afraid a lot of the protesting has to come from parents, grand parents, even God parents. Adults who have children who will get hurt from this.

 

I also feel like as Christians we've been sitting back and letting Satan win for too long. At least we shouldn't make it so easy for him to destroy the mind's of our children.



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You are the sex God designed you to be, but Satan will lie to people and get them to believe things like they should have been a boy when they are a girl or vice versa.  You believe the lie and it becomes part of you.  Sadly, I know someone like that.  It is a woman who feels like a guy.  She dresses like a guy, and has a man's hair cut.  For a long time, she lived as a straight person, but now has gone full blown lesbian.  I don't buy into the idea she should have been a guy all along, but Satan is good at deception. 



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I think a lot of it has to do with parents having wanted the opposite sex child than what was given by God to them.

I remember a news article some time ago where a mother sued an elementary school for the right of their son to enter girls facilities there. She claimed her six year old was transgender.

When I was 6 I was what they called a Tomboy. I had no illusion I was a boy inside. But that woman who filed suit, won! And now her child can violate the privacy of little girls from elementary grade until he graduates. He doesn't even have to dress the part. He can simply claim he is a girl inside and he's allowed into all private facilities so he can offend the majority of students there due to their being forced by law to defer to his alleged feelings about himself.

 

Isaiah warned us. Beware of those who call evil good and good evil.

It's a spirit that is descending on this world ever more so than what was here before. That woman is actually said to be the mother of all other lawsuits of that nature as relates to children being violated because the next lawsuit ensues where a parent claims their child is not really their child as they appear to be. But has a hidden opposite sex inside them. And because of that it should have the right to offend and violate others so it can express itself.......equally!

 

God have mercy!



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I'm in basic agreement here with the view that God does not make mistakes, but what about those who are born a hermaphrodite (genitalia of both sexes)?

 

Or retained sexual organs in a body cavity or other similar 'defects'?

 

I am of the opinion that sin has opened the doors to many if not all, of these abnormal births or even brain patterns...

 

thoughts?  I don't think we can overlook things because it may be difficult to talk about...I'm not saying anyone else does either....but there are some very difficult

things people have to deal with other than fantasizing about being the gender opposite to that which they cover with their underwear

 

 

She ran screaming from the shower room, towel wrapped around her, straight to her mom in the lobby.

Her mommy went to the security guard at the front desk , who was half way to them at the time because she'd heard the screams, and after reporting there was a man in the women's/girls shower , which meant he had walked through the womens locker room to get there, was informed that it was perfectly legal! And there was nothing that could be done. Becuase he had rights since he 'identified' as a woman.

 

 

 

Speechless.  May I ask what country you live in?  this is a case of the majority being told they have to allow a small percentage of the population to express themself even if 99% find it repulsive or

even harmful....I find it harmful and mentally insane myself....this person must also have a very strong tendency towards exhibitionsim because a person with the type of identity crisis described,

is usually very shy and tries to hide their 'problem'...someone lost their objectivity on this one IMO



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The hermaphrodite is different from what they are discussing.  You can tell which sex they are designed to be.  I don't want to go into graphic details here, so I will just say that if you have to give the child hormones of a particular sex to keep them functional as that sex, you are going against who they were designed to be.  If someone wants to know more about this condition, there are web-sites out there that discuss it. 

 

As for the possibility a child could be a boy and think he should have been born a girl, or the other way around, that is all a mental disorder.  You do bring up an interesting thought about abnormal brain patterns, so at the risk of opening up another Pandora's box, (or perhaps knowing that is what is going to take place when I say this), I believe God creates both vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor, so I could accept the notion that God created vessels of dishonor to become homosexuals or transgender.  Even if that is the case, the child is the sex God wanted them to be.  Nothing happens by accident.  The Bible even says God created those who were lame and had speech problems.  He has a purpose for everyone in his creation, to bring about the end he intended.



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Oh...I don't know.  I'm not sure why you think the matter I brought up is not falling under the topic of the op?

 

OP:

 

 

Very late last night I heard a call in talk show about this disturbing topic. It's the idea that God put you in the wrong gender body. For example a person would have the body parts of a male or female, but the person says they feel like a member of the opposite gender. I know this is a real phenomena, because I have a good online friend with a daughter in her 20's, except the girl says she feels like a guy. I even saw a You-Tube saying one grammar school somewhere, is telling the kids they can chose their own gender. I don't believe everything I hear on You Tube, but this idea seems to be getting too common.

 

At any rate, you don't have to discuss that if you don't want to Butero.

 

I was actually hoping for more of a general inclusion on the matter of sin with regards to abnormalities.  Perhaps I was not clear enough.  Hope I have been clear enough now because I

don't think a defense of my response is helpful...although if it clears up any ambiguity (pun not intended), I suppose that's a good thing



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 He has a purpose for everyone in his creation, to bring about the end he intended.

 

Do you have any thoughts that tie into the op with regards to God's 'purposes' vis a vis sexual orientation?  

 

That might be an interesting minor sub topic



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God doesn't CREATE people who CANNOT obey Him, which is the premise behind the acceptance of transgenderism and homosexuality. These are not "vessels of dishonour". Satan is the creator of dysfunction and confusion, and the theft or misappropriation of what God has deemed to be right and good! He's been a thief since the beginning and is the father of lies. These poor, misguided people and their supporters have become his pawns.



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God doesn't CREATE people who CANNOT obey Him, which is the premise behind the acceptance of transgenderism and homosexuality. These are not "vessels of dishonour". Satan is the creator of dysfunction and confusion, and the theft or misappropriation of what God has deemed to be right and good! He's been a thief since the beginning and is the father of lies. These poor, misguided people and their supporters have become his pawns.

Agreed. And sadly the courts and many who are suppose to be our representatives in the halls of power are siding with the minions of the enemy. Giving them rights, while quashing the moral majority of American's rights to object to the violation.

 

Southern Poverty Law Center decreed certain traditional values Christian groups qualified to be on SPLC's "Hate Groups" list. And contrary to SPLC's backpeddling as they claim on their site that it is not due to those groups adhering to scripture, it absolutely is! Becuase those groups that SPLC said qualify for their Hate Group list, champion traditional Christian values and the scriptures that identify the sins of homosexuality and even transgenderism.

 

I fear it is a matter of time before some group like SPLC actually goes on the record here and states outright that the Bible is hate speech.



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BFP,  May I ask how old your son is now?  (as I said in the beginning of this, I have a very good online friend who is devastated because her 22 yr old daughter, is dressing as a guy, and she's very angry at her parents because they won't pay for surgery) So even though I don't have kids myself, I feel the effect this is having on us.

I'd also like to ask how old your son was when he was allowed to stay in the woman's shelter? I almost became a psychiatrist when I was young, and I don't believe I would have advised that, as your son's pdoc did. So I'd like to know his age when the Doc allowed that?

Speaking from a medical pov there is 1 huge problem here. We really can't change the genitalia of a person. Since I'm a Christian I know this is something of the devil. But I don't yet know exactly what it is. However, I don't think we should refuse to discuss this. I don't believe it will just go away. I can see several social and psychological reasons a teenager might feel they're in the wrong body. But it's more than that.

Sevenseas, the issue of a hermaphrodite can fit in here. But how common is that? I asked a Doc I know if he ever saw a real hermaphrodite, and he said yes. However, there was only 1, and the person had died and the body was donated to the medical school he attended.

Babies born with sexual ambiguity are more common. So far I have only heard of 1 case where the Doc's made the wrong guess. They made the baby female and when the child reached puberty it became obvious the person was a male. But that's all I know. Do you have a reason for adding this into the thread? It's fine by me, but I'm not sure these cases are also of the devil in the way the this transgender thing is.

Just from what you fine folks have said here, I know that those of you who belong to churches, or may be in the legal fields, have to make formal protests against what has happened. If this idea of trangenderism becomes accepted by a new generation of kids, it will take over just like homosexuality has. I'll probably be dead by then, but I hate to think what kind of world that would be. I like to think Jesus will return and stop it before it gets to that. But suppose He doesn't. We have to try and stop it. Some people may be able to fight it best through prayer. I just know we all have to fight this in whatever way we can.
 






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