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water and blood

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What do you think of 1 John 5:6 and 1 John 5:8?


This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.


Jesus came by water and blood.


Many people though just focus on the blood, in light of the scripture did the Spirit not testify to those individuals?  



There are some explanations people can refer to.

One is that his crucifixion and we need to get baptized.  (though it says "his water" nothing about us)

Another is that it refers to his birth.  I believe this is just a explain-away thing like people use with John 3:5.

Lastly I consider it to be johns baptism of christ and his crucifixion.


It also says the water, blood, and spirit are in agreement.  In other words, you cant have one without the other.


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Maybe those individuals were not listening to the spirit.


As we know, the gospel has lots of symbolism. Symbolism is used to help us remember what we should be thinking about.  Yes, Jesus was born of water, and of blood, and of spirit. This is representing the physical birth. The body is made up of these things and is housing our spirit. So when we remember how we came into this world, we can also remember how we should go out of the world. We should be baptized by the water and the spirit, and we need to have the blood of Christ. All of these together cleanse us and allow us to go back into the presence of God. This is referred to as the spiritual birth, or being born again. These three are in agreement because with them all, you will be clean and like Jesus.



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But don't think that you have to be baptized in order to be saved, as many do. Baptism is an outward sign of obedience to the Lord after salvation, not part of it.



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First poster refers to it being Jesus being born.

Second poster refers to it to personal baptism.


But I dont see how it can refer to him being born.. its a stretch really.  Its hard to believe that way haha.

And it says (his) baptism not ours referring to second poster

Edited by Wildstar, 28 July 2014 - 03:48 PM.

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