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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:00 PM
Posted 15 August 2014 - 10:00 AM
This is what happened when someone gets born again. They are translated into the Kingdom of God. Most Christians do not have a clue to what this means. It requires faith and belief in the Word of God to be able to experience this in their life. Exercising our spiritual senses is a must to be able to see and understand this. We are so use to using our physical senses and never use the spiritual senses that come to ones heart after receiving a new heart. There are limits to our ability to grasp spiritual things unless we know that we have this ability and use them. The Apostle Paul could not teach certain things to a group of believers because they never exercised their senses to discern between good and evil.
Edited by CurtisCWilson, 15 August 2014 - 10:00 AM.
Posted 15 August 2014 - 10:05 AM
Posted 15 August 2014 - 10:13 AM
I would advise caution in believing this.
I agree. Many people claim to have had views of heaven. Always take these things with a strong pinch of Lot's wife.
Posted 15 August 2014 - 10:49 AM
This sounds very much like the Book and now Movie 'Heaven is for real'. Maybe you might want to read/watch and able to glean more insight/belief, one way or another.
Posted 15 August 2014 - 01:08 PM
The only things that we can believe for sure are written in the Bible. So the things that agree with Scripture are more believable.
I am more apt to give some belief to the accounts of people who were brought back to life in hospitals but who have not profited from their experiences. I personly have known 2 of these. One was a 4 year old child. I met a third man whose claims were extremely scriptural and many things I had also experienced in other ways. I am inclined to believe his account as well, since as I listened the Holy Spirit kept bring to my rememberance scriptures that echoed his statements. The things I heard him say were not far fetched such as that there was no smell of decay. He was groping for words to discribe what he saw and heard. If nothing else it brought those coroberating scriptures alive to me.
However, the Kat Kerr person and others who claim to have been having visions of heaven, hell and the tribulation seem to be using them and godliness as a means of gain.. They seem to be claiming to be prohets, and many of their details of heaven are not in scripture. We are told to beware of these people and even avoid them. Paul spoke of seeing unmentionable visions of heaven that were accompanied by an affliction to keep him humble. One of the badges of his preaching was that he did not ask for support and sometimes even refused to accept it..
Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:24 AM
The Apostle Paul describes an experience;
2 Corinthians 12:2-4
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
The Apostle John describes how he received the visions of Revelations;
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
So it’s possible for such testimonies to be true. However scripture is our highest authority. Whether these testimonies are true or not, they can never legitimately circumvent our trust in the testimony of scripture. It’s ok to listen with interest, but we must rest our trust upon the Word of God alone. The same is true for all preaching and testimony. We should get to know God through His word; enabling us to;
2 Timothy 2:15
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:30 AM
If I want to know about miracles, all I have to do is open up my Bible and read Matthew straight on through to the end of Acts. Any miracle that doesn't point to Jesus is at best a distraction and a waste of time.
Posted 16 August 2014 - 08:30 AM
I haven't seen "Heaven is for Real" yet, but I will when it goes on DVD. I do know this boy had a NE, and I've read several NDE's. I've noticed people tend to see what they believe they will see. What makes this boy's experiance unique is he came back with knowledge of sister he almost had, but his mother had miscarried that child. So unless they're lying to sell the book, this boy really was on a spiritual plane. But he also saw dogs and cats, and I've heard there won't be animals in Heaven. It's also noteworthy that Catholics who have NDE's often see Mother Mary and purgatory. Maybe this is all real, and still people see what they believe.
I have heard of one thing people of various denominations have seen, and some who saw this had a vision, not a NDE. Because of this, I consider this most likely true. It varies in how folks see this, but it's a river flowing into a big body of water. Some see it as a river of people flowing into a larger group of people. One man who saw this was told these are all the people typical Christians think won't get into Heaven, but these are. The man who saw this as a vision said he was told these are people from other religions who had a heart for God during their life.
Posted 23 August 2014 - 10:29 AM
the Katt Kerr vids are on youtube, but, as folk say, discernment and wisdom are needed, and a healthy pinch of salt.
Posted 26 August 2014 - 12:37 PM
Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:54 PM
Well, NDE's are a phenomenon, but going all the way to heaven and talking to dead people is called Necromancy and is strictly forbidden to anyone. Katt should be stoned if she's really doing that.... she'll go to hell if she's a fraud. Feel sorry for and pray for Katt.
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