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What is the OT reference quoted in James 4:5?

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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?



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I don't believe James is quoting scripture, but stating an overview of scripture.

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The Holy Spirit is jealous and does not want to share us with anything or anyone. He wants all of us. The enemy is cunning and finds our weakness and uses that to take our hearts and mind off Jesus and the Holy Spirit envies anything that takes our love from Jesus.
Deut. 4: 24 speaks of God being jealous is this what you were thinking about??

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I don't believe James is quoting scripture, but stating an overview of scripture.

 

That could will be the case.

 

The Holy Spirit is jealous and does not want to share us with anything or anyone. He wants all of us. The enemy is cunning and finds our weakness and uses that to take our hearts and mind off Jesus and the Holy Spirit envies anything that takes our love from Jesus.
Deut. 4: 24 speaks of God being jealous is this what you were thinking about??

 

Littlelamb, you might have the right scripture, I really don't have a completely good idea, and all honesty just a little clueless on this one.   If it is the Spirit of God, yes your verse in Deuteronomy sounds good.  But if it is man's own spirit, maybe Proverbs 3:31-34, but not even sure about that.

 

Maybe the real question should have been is James talking of the Holy Spirit, or are own human spirit?

Thank you both for your responsesl
 



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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?

the Holy spirit does not lust or envy so it must be human spirit that lusteth to envy.



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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?

the Holy spirit does not lust or envy so it must be human spirit that lusteth to envy.

 

lust isnt a bad thing.  envy on the other hand i dont quite understand



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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?

the Holy spirit does not lust or envy so it must be human spirit that lusteth to envy.

 

lust isnt a bad thing.  envy on the other hand i dont quite understand

 

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

it appears to be bad.



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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?

the Holy spirit does not lust or envy so it must be human spirit that lusteth to envy.

 

lust isnt a bad thing.  envy on the other hand i dont quite understand

 

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

it appears to be bad.

 

lust can also be interpreted into a longing to know Jesus and to make him known.

 

but yes strong sexual desire is a form of lust too



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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?

the Holy spirit does not lust or envy so it must be human spirit that lusteth to envy.

 

lust isnt a bad thing.  envy on the other hand i dont quite understand

 

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

it appears to be bad.

 

lust can also be interpreted into a longing to know Jesus and to make him known.

 

but yes strong sexual desire is a form of lust too

 

in the verse James 4:5 it says lusteth to envy. envy is the wanting of something someone else has.

In this verse submitted by 19Duggerfan (op). I think it is bad and it is not the holy spirit in one that lust

until it becomes envy. I do not believe the holy spirit in each christian would envy what another has.



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Is he quoting something that we don't accept as canon?  I'm not that familiar with all the other books that were around then.  I don't remember anything like that in Jasher or Enoch, but I haven't read a lot of those other books.



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Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy.

James 4:5

 

I know I read somewhere one commentary that no one knows where James is quoting from, which may be true but I was wondering if it might be the passage of Proverbs 3:31-34, and if not does anyone known of the proper OT address?

 

He may have been referring to something that has been lost to us.  I read once in the OT where reference was given to a book that we know is not included in today's canon because the manuscripts were lost.

 

Also it is written somewhere in the NT that there were many who published the gospel and so there may have been some things that have been rejected by the councils of the fourth century that James counted as holy scripture or maybe the thing James referred to (and the scripture that spoke of it) never came on the table when things were being considered for entrance into the received canon.  The devil certainly may have succeeded at destroying a document that contained inspired words.  What is important is that these words were not lost to us because James repeated them from whatever document is lost.

 

Nevertheless God was Sovereign in those councils and it would be dangerous to take non-canonical books and try to count them as scripture or else in any way try to include them as scripture through textual criticism or any other method.  We know that the Gnostics took the names of famous Christians (like Silvanus) and falsely said that they were the authors of their heretical works so that people would give them credence.






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