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Originally posted in Worthy Welcome as part of a discussion unrelated to doctrinal issues.

 

I do believe in the doctrine of entire sanctification in this life and have reconciled this with 1 John 1:8 and other scriptures used to argue against it in my own mind.  My answer is this:  while the element of sin never leaves our flesh until the day we are glorified in our bodies (thus set free from the presence of sin in heaven), it is possible within the scope of our lives here on earth to put the flesh, and sin in our flesh to death so that it has no power to control us, neither any say in what we will do as Christians.  Scriptures in support of this: Galatians 5:24; Romans 6:6-7,13; Colossians 2:11; Jude 24; 1 Corinthians 15:34; 2 Corinthians 13:9,11; 1 Peter 5:10,12; Philippians 3:15; and 1 John 3:3-10 and 4:17. 

 

I also believe that salvation is the gift of God and that we can never accomplish such a thing as entrance into heaven for ourselves in the power of our own strength.  Neither can anyone ever accomplish it by works of righteousness which they have done.  It is accomplished totally and completely through the power of the Holy Spirit in a person's life in making them born again; I teach that good works are the result of such regeneration and that it is impossible that they could ever be the catalyst for such regeneration.

 

My question to everyone is, what are your thoughts about this particular doctrine?

 

Oops, forgot the most important one:1 Thessalonians 5:23-24.

 

"And now may the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your entire spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.  Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


Edited by Geoff Primanti, 12 August 2014 - 01:35 AM.

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I think entire sanctification is something we should strive for every day whether or not we occasionally fail.


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I think entire sanctification is something we should strive for every day whether or not we occasionally fail.

 

Yes, most definitely.  And 1 John 2:1 tells us that if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

 

Of course, also, there is a difference between striving and abiding.

 

Striving means trying to achieve holiness in one's human effort.

 

Abiding means drawing nourishment from the vine as a branch connected to the vine; and to borrow from a different analogy, eating the flesh of the Son of man and drinking His blood, which means reading the word (as Jesus is the Word, John 1:1,14) and taking it into our soul/spirit as nourishment and also appropriating the forgiveness of God (as applicable through the blood of Jesus which we read about in His word.  You can read more about abiding in John 15 and specific verses in 1 John.


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I believe at the moment of salvation, we are entirely sanctified.

 

Sanctification simply means 'separated for Gods use'. In the OT, utensils to be used in the Temple, are sanctified for use. They are to be used in the Temple and for Gods purposes. 

 

So, at the moment of salvation, we are born again, made new, the old man dies, we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, become sons of God, and are sanctified. We are set aside for Gods purposes and use.

 

1 Cor 1:2

To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
 
1 Cor 6:11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
 
So, entire sanctification is at the time of salvation. We are now dedicated, and saved, separated from the world, to God for Gods purposes.
Then there is continuing sanctification, which is the continues throughout our lives.  

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I believe "santification" is at the moment of being made a new creature in Christ Jesus.  At the moment of the new birth we are cleasned and made holy by the blood of Jesus, seperated and set apart for habitation of the Holy Spirit of God within the life of a believer.  That we become Christ's body in which he resides and lives through.  I agree with all the comments that have been made thus far.  We have to walk in that santification and cleanliness on a continual basis as has been said we have to abide and stay in the vine to continue in that santification. 


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I believe at the moment of salvation, we are entirely sanctified.

 

Sanctification simply means 'separated for Gods use'. In the OT, utensils to be used in the Temple, are sanctified for use. They are to be used in the Temple and for Gods purposes. 

 

So, at the moment of salvation, we are born again, made new, the old man dies, we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, become sons of God, and are sanctified. We are set aside for Gods purposes and use.

 

1 Cor 1:2

To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
 
1 Cor 6:11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
 
So, entire sanctification is at the time of salvation. We are now dedicated, and saved, separated from the world, to God for Gods purposes.
Then there is continuing sanctification, which is the continues throughout our lives.  

 

 

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I am sorry to inform you that your statements are self-contradictory (as I see them: so please clarify what you are saying).  If we are entirely sanctified at the moment of regeneration and at the same time this is a process that continues after regeneration (as the process of being made more holy in practice); how can it be that the sanctification was entire at the beginning?  Are you saying that entire sanctification has nothing to do with how we behave?

 

I consider righteousness and holiness (which is given through sanctification) to be practically synonymous.  Therefore I think that you should take 1 John 3:7 into consideration.

 

Regards,

 

Geoffrey


Edited by Geoff Primanti, 12 August 2014 - 02:50 PM.

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Also it is my own belief that salvation is by faith in Jesus and that our behavior has nothing to do with what saves us but is rather the result of our salvation.

 

And since our behavior is not what saves us, there is a sense in which it follows that we are not saved because we have been sanctified, but rather through simple faith.

 

At this point I believe that entire sanctification is a second blessing given to those who seek it; but I will not be adamant in this view as there is the possibility that salvation itself is only accomplished at the moment that God entirely sanctifies you (with practical results in your life).

 

Which would make the road to actual salvation much narrower than anyone would have ever imagined.


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We were justified then sanctified. When we accept Jesus God justifies us then we are sanctified through the righteousness of the blood of Christ that covers us. We believe but the rest is God's doing not ours.
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We were justified then sanctified. When we accept Jesus God justifies us then we are sanctified through the righteousness of the blood of Christ that covers us. We believe but the rest is God's doing not ours.

 

If there is no evidence of it in the way that we practically live then the bottom line is that God didn't do it.

 

Our response is very important.

 

Faith without works is dead, which is not to say that we are not saved by faith alone.

 

But the faith that saves is a living faith.  The fact that a living faith will produce good works in God's timing in no way means that we are saved by works.

 

Also we are both justified by His blood and are sanctified by it also (Romans 3:25 and 5:9, Hebrews 10:29).

 

If the blood is applied I find it hard to believe that it would do one and not the other.


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I completely agree with Qnts. We continue to present our bodies a liveing sacrifice and to renew our minds in the Word, to be conformed into the likeness of Christ. We continue to walk in the good works that God prepared for us to walk in. It is all the work of the Holy Spirit in us. Only Christ in us can live the Christian life, and without Him we can do nothing.. But we are set aside to God and sealed with the Holy Spirit at our salvation. That is how carnal babes like the Corinthians could be considered sanctified.
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Willamina, 

 

as far as I can see from your post, what you have said is not in disagreement with what I have said.

 

I was contending with what he meant by what he said, not the actual words.

 

Sanctification will have an effect on the way you live or the word is meaningless.

 

But you bring up a good point.  The Corinthians Christians were considered carnal by Paul when previously he told them they were sanctified.

 

Could it be he was speaking to a mixed group; and that the crux of the letter was to those who were truly born again and that they would be able to minister its truths to those who weren't?


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I hold the belief at salvation we are justified, and that sanctification is a process that we continue in until our life in this body is over and lastly glorification, where we will become like Christ. Although I must say what Qnts2 has said is Interesting and I am going to explore what scriptures say about this.
As far as entire samctification, well I know some very old and wise brothers and sisters who have been walking with God longer than I have been alive, and to hear them tell it God is still sanctifying them. I also think as long as we are in the flesh we will have a sinful nature, and yes we can be crucified with Christ, as paul wrote, but paul also wrote romans chapter 7 where it says the thing he hates is the thing he does. Surely if entire sanctification was possible paul would have achieved it. also, if we say we have no sin we call God a liar. I do believe The Holy Ghost can help us overcome sin as i have been delievered from a lot of sin. But there always seems to be another layer umder the one God just got done with...
Philippians 1:6 ... be confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.
the word "GOOD" in 1:6 is agathos, strongs number 18. It means good in a physical and moral sence, and produces benifits. so we can see here Jesus Christ continues to work in our lives, bringing forth fruit asit speaks of in verse 11.
So based on other scriptures I dont see how we will get to be without sin until we are glorified. To my umderstamding the bible does teach its at that time we will have no more sin.
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Geof Premanti.

 

Let me explain the breath of life,the spirit of the flesh, and the soul.

1. The breath of life is from God;that gives the flesh life.

2.The spirit of the flesh are all the desires of the flesh.

   What the person hungers for in his life. His drive.

   Every persons desires are not the same,each have his own lusts and plans.

   Some desire to get rich and famous,some just rich and power.Some just fun fun fun. 

   Those are the spirit of the flesh.

3,The soul is what he is as a person,some good and some bad.

   The essence of a person.

4.All will be judged by their works. what they have done in their life time.

5.Christ came to change that spirit of the flesh, to replace it with the spirit of Christ.

6.Jesus was a man with his own spirit of the flesh,but he denied his own spirit.

    He has no ambitions but one; and that is to serve His Father in heaven.

    He did not even own a pillow to rest his head.He has the spirit of God in full measure.

7. We need to abandon that spirit of the flesh, and walk in the spirit of Christ.

8. As the flesh ceased to be;so also the spirit of the flesh,but the works will be recorded

    for judgement day.

9 There are also many non christians with a good heart;they will be judged accordingly in the second

    judgement.

10. Christians will be judged according to their life as a christian,and can receive mercy.

      if one dies for Christ sake;he will be accepted;even if he was not perfect.

11.The 144000 are perfect in the eyes of God.They have lived as true christians.

     They will be the first  fruits.

 

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I believe at the moment of salvation, we are entirely sanctified.

 

Sanctification simply means 'separated for Gods use'. In the OT, utensils to be used in the Temple, are sanctified for use. They are to be used in the Temple and for Gods purposes. 

 

So, at the moment of salvation, we are born again, made new, the old man dies, we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, become sons of God, and are sanctified. We are set aside for Gods purposes and use.

 

1 Cor 1:2

To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
 
1 Cor 6:11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
 
So, entire sanctification is at the time of salvation. We are now dedicated, and saved, separated from the world, to God for Gods purposes.
Then there is continuing sanctification, which is the continues throughout our lives.  

 

 

Qnts2,

 

I am sorry to inform you that your statements are self-contradictory (as I see them: so please clarify what you are saying).  If we are entirely sanctified at the moment of regeneration and at the same time this is a process that continues after regeneration (as the process of being made more holy in practice); how can it be that the sanctification was entire at the beginning?  Are you saying that entire sanctification has nothing to do with how we behave?

 

I consider righteousness and holiness (which is given through sanctification) to be practically synonymous.  Therefore I think that you should take 1 John 3:7 into consideration.

 

Regards,

 

Geoffrey

 

 

Sanctification means separation. In biblical contexts, it is separation for use by God. At the moment of salvation, we are entirely sanctified, separated for Gods use. That is why some scripture verses tie sanctification to salvation as entire sanctification occurs at the time of salvation. There is no part of us which is not separated from the world for Gods use.  

 

I believe there is entire sanctification, which occurs at the moment of salvation. And then there is continuing sanctification.

 

The way I like to explain continuing sanctification is as follows. No one is born saved. In our pre-saved life, we of course had needs and learned to do things to get these needs met as best as we could. We wanted to be successful, and for each person we developed an idea of what success was. For some, earning a lot of money was viewed as success. For some, having lots of friends was what qualified us to view outselves as successful. For some, beauty was success. For some, knowledge was success. We learned patterns to achieve success and fulfill our needs. These ways of acting did not line up with Gods design of what people should be and act like. Once we are saved, we are entirely separated for Gods purposes, but our minds were not erased and re-programmed to act as God designed. So, while we are separated for Gods purposes, our actions are based on old patterns. Continuing sanctification is the process of being conformed to Christ. The renewing of the mind, so that our thoughts and actions are more and more Gods thoughts and desires. The process of continuing sanctification is in making our thoughts and actions in line with God so that everything we do is set aside for God and His purposes. While we have already been entirely set aside for Gods purposes, but now we are being conformed and shedding the old habits and way of acting we relied on before salvation and learning to rely on God. Continuing sanctification is God working with us and on us, with us cooperating. If we were not His, entirely set aside for His purposes, He would not work with us to conform us to Christ. Or as scripture says, we are being disciplined as sons.  

 

Scripture has many differing verses which describe the entirely sanctified saint as our current state. And it also has many differing verses which encourage us on to continuing sanctification to be conformed. I think most people focus on what we have to do, in terms of continuing sanctification, but tend to read past the verse which describe who we are in Christ (entire sanctification).     

 

Acts 26:18

to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’
 
1 Cor 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
 
1 Cor 6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
 
Hebrews 2:10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
 
Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
 

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

 

Hebrews 10:14 is a very interesting verse. It says we were perfected. Of course, I would never have thought of myself as having been perfected. But then I found perfected in scripture means 'complete'. As believers, at the moment of salvation something so dynamic happens it is amazing. Scripture talks about the old man dieing. It also says that we are crucified with Christ and it is no longer us who live but Christ lives in us. It was Gods desire and intent to make us into what He desired, and our re-birth makes us complete thru His completed work. We are now perfected/complete. Born again. Alive to God. Sons of God by adoption but not just adoption but by His Spirit indwelling in us.

 

I know that when I started to look at the change the occurs in Christians at the moment of salvation, I struggled as it seemed almost blasphemous to say of myself that I am holy, sanctifed, perfected, a son of God etc etc etc, but, it is all in scripture. God says this about His saints.   


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