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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?



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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?

Well denominations are not the "divisions" the Bible warns about.   When the Bible speaks of division such as in I Corinthians, he is referring to division and strife within a single congregations.   Denominations as we know them did not exist in the first century and as such would not have been in the mind of the NT writers. 

 

Besides, if we were to abolish denominations who decides what we do and how we believe?  Who gets to make that decision for the collective.  Everyone thinks their views are the closest to the Bible, so who's views win out?  Who is the one who breaks the tie?

 

Denominations  are based more on tradition than doctrine, anyway.   Yes there are differences in doctrine, but those are not necessarily the root causes of denominations.



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I took one of those facebook quizes to figure out what denomination Im supposed to be. According to it, Im supposed to be evangelical and my wife prespetyrian (spelling?) anyway whats funny is were both southern baptists. . .



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I took one of those facebook quizes to figure out what denomination Im supposed to be. According to it, Im supposed to be evangelical and my wife prespetyrian (spelling?) anyway whats funny is were both southern baptists. . .

 

Southern Baptist? What in Wyoming? Never.



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Hi Tyler,

 

What you/we are seeing is the result of man formalising (setting in concrete :happyhappy: ) truths that God has revealed by His Holy Spirit to the Body of Christ.

 

Since the early believers the Apostle Paul warned -

 

`Be on guard for yourselves .....I know that after my departure (death) savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.` (Acts 20: 28 7 29)

 

Also  - `For you bears with anyone if he enslaves you, if he devours you, if he takes advantage of you, if he exalts himself, ....` (2 Cor. 11: 20)

 

`You foolish Galatians who has bewitched you .....` (Gal. 3: 1)

 

And the Apostle John - `Beloved, do not believe every spirit....` (1 John 4: 1)

 

So much of Paul`s writings (& the others) concerns refuting error & false teaching & wrong behaviour (lording it over). It is the same today, that is why we need to read the word ourselves, get good instruction & talk with other believers.

 

 

Specifically we can see the restoring of truth `lost` to the Body by the names of the denominations. Just a quick summary -

 

Body of Christ -> different groups -> organisations -> (hierarchical control)

 

- Catholic -> great variety & sub groups

- Protestants - great variety of various traditions of men.

--- Lutherans  - Presbyterians - Methodists -

-- Baptists - Salvation Army - Pentecostals - Charismatics -

-- non denominational - mega churches - house churches - etc etc

 

Truths - Salvation by Faith in Jesus - Baptism in water - Baptism in Holy Spirit - Gifts of Holy Spirit -  Ministry Gits of Ascended Lord -

- Functioning of the Body - Purposes of God.

 

You can match up the truths with specific denominations & yet as the Holy Spirit has swept through every known barrier you will find that many denominations have received many of the truths & the main difference is how we `FUNCTION.`  

 

As believers we have to `OVERCOME,` & that means the carnal self, the world`s allures & philosophies, & also the errors & deceptions against the word of God. All by the power of the Holy Spirit with the giftings Christ has placed within His Body.



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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?

 

 

Besides, if we were to abolish denominations who decides what we do and how we believe?  

"What we do" through the bible, and "how we believe" through our own personal relationship with Jesus.

 

  Who gets to make that decision for the collective.  

Why would our beliefs be decided for us?

 

Everyone thinks their views are the closest to the Bible, so who's views win out?  Who is the one who breaks the tie?

 Isnt that the judgement?  Who are we to say whos views win out?

 

Denominations  are based more on tradition than doctrine, anyway.   Yes there are differences in doctrine, but those are not necessarily the root causes of denominations.

I guess I was just raised to read for myself and believe what God reveals to me.  I dont see believing something because its what your family believed.  (tradition)  

 


Edited by Tyler47, 15 August 2014 - 08:11 PM.


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Division is not a bad thing. Remember Jesus said...

 

Luk 12:51  Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
 
The Word of God brings "division". It separates the wheat from the chaff, it separates the sheep from the goats. Sheep and goats are not to be together. One belongs to God the other to the Devil! Jesus always drew big crowds when he taught the Word because the people loved to be in the presence of God because of the anointing Jesus had. One time they all would believed his Words, and then the next time they all left him and never came back. They did not like what he said. His Word separated the goats from the sheep which were his disciples that followed him everywhere.
 
Heb 4:12  For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 
 
Jesus also said that he came to bring a "sword" not peace.
 
Mat 10:34  "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35  For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
Mat 10:36  And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 
 
A Church can be seen as a "household" with all its family members!
There is only one true Church, and that is the "body of Christ" not some man made name that did not come from God.
Our assembling together is in the Spirit on mount Zion the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem.
 
Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
 
 

Edited by CurtisCWilson, 15 August 2014 - 08:21 PM.


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There is only one true Church, and that is the "body of Christ" not some man made name that did not come from God.

 

Thanks Curtis, this was helpful.



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Thanks for the replies everyone



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Denominations are not necessarily based on disagreement.

Some differences are ministry focused (i.e. some might focus on missionary work, while others focus on evangelism, while others focus on the study of scripture etc.)

Some denominations are practically identical to others; but they were started by different people or organizations.

Of course there are some differences of opinion over non-essential doctrines. Contrary to popular myth, Christianity teaches freedom of thought - so there are even differences of opinions within denominations. However, all legitimate Christian denominations agree regarding the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, including; the Divine Authority of Scripture, the Virgin Birth of Christ, the Eternal Deity of Christ, the Vicarious Sacrifice of Christ, the Bodily Resurrection of Christ etc. As such, most Christians consider other Christian denominations to be equally Christian.

The impression of broad antagonism within Christianity is largely populist myth. I'm not suggesting conflict doesn't occur at all, but it's not as typical as opponents of Christianity like to imply.



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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?

 

It's to try us with.

 

See Jude 1 and especially note, there are some men of old ordained to the condemnation of being against Christ. That means God ordained a negative side to His Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ.

 

Early on in Israel's history, when God told them to destroy the pagan idolaters of the Canaanite nations, Israel failed to accomplish it. So God said He would leave them to dwell amongst Israel to see if they would follow Him or not (Judges 2 & 3). Canaanites tricked Joshua into making a pact, so they could dwell under Israel's safety (Judges 9). In 1 Kings 20, there they still are, as bondservants among Israel in Solomon's days. Eventually some of those Canaanites would become scribes (Kenites) and priests among Israel. Today it's impossible to discover who they are anymore. But at the end of Zech.14, our Heavenly Father showed after Christ's return, there will no more be the Canaanite in the house of The Lord. This is also the matter of the parable of the tares in the field by our Lord Jesus in Matthew 13. Tares are weeds that look just like real wheat during growing season, then exhibit black buds when fully grow so they can be recognized. In that parable our Lord Jesus said leave them alone, for His angels will separate them at harvest time (end of this world).

 

Thus our Heavenly Father and His Son will... allow us to become deceived if that's what we want. All we need do is not listen to Him in His Word, and instead listen to the many doctrines and traditions that men create instead.

 

How do we know then, when someone is pushing men's doctrines instead of God's Word as written? We each have to become a 'workman' in God's Word for ourselves, asking Him for understanding, and then disciplining ourselves in it. Using a simple 1611 KJV Bible and a valid Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with the Hebrew and Greek Lexicons is enough of the tools for English speaking peoples to become fairly well disciplined in God's Word, with the ability to verify for oneself. Think about it, most people in the Christian West have an average of 12 years of secular education, but very little education in God's Word chapter by chapter, line by line.



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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?

Denominations are simply people coming together with others that they agree on.

For example Southern Baptists (with roots in the Anabaptist movement) typically believe in salvation through God's grace and not works, the trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the virgin birth, the blood atonement of Jesus at the cross, the bodily Resurrection of Jesus after 3 days, the inerrancy of Scripture, the autonomy of the local church, cooperation between churches, a focus on local and international missions, sanctity of life, traditional marriage, priesthood of the Believer, etc. They also believe the local church has two ordinances: the Lord's Supper (Communion) and Baptism (through immersion following belief in Jesus). Typically there are two roles in the local church: Pastor and Deacon/Elder. These roles are typically held by men.

The Methodists (with roots in the Calvinist movement) typically believe in salvation through God's grace and not works, the trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the virgin birth, the blood atonement of Jesus at the cross, the bodily Resurrection of Jesus after 3 days, an emphasis on church tradition, free will, and sacramental theology. There is typically a church order including priests, bishops, etc. Priests can be either men or women and are allowed to marry. Methodism has strong roots tied to the Anglican Church (Church of England). They also believe the local church has two ordinances: the Holy Communion (or Lord's Super) and Baptism (through immersion for adults or sprinkling for young children). Some Methodist groups believe in traditional marriage and the sanctity of life while others don't.

The Presbyterians (also with roots in the Calvinist movement and originated in the British Isles with strong roots with Scotlnad) typically believe in salvation through God's grace and not works, the trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the virgin birth, the blood atonement of Jesus at the cross, the bodily Resurrection of Jesus after 3 days, an emphasis the sovereignty of God (think Calvinism and predestination), and confessional tradition. There is typically a church order including priests, bishops, etc. Priests can be either men or women and are allowed to marry. They also believe the local church has two ordinances: the Holy Communion (or Lord's Super) and Baptism (through immersion for adults or sprinkling for young children). Presbyterian churches are governed by sessions led by courts (council) elders. Some Presbyterianism groups believe in traditional marriage and the sanctity of life while others don't.


I'll try to post more later about Lutherans, Assembly of God, Anglicans, etc.

God bless,

GE



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There are a lot of belief clashes in my family and area that get heavily debated.  Maybe that has given me an unmerited competitive perspective on denominations.  



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There are a lot of belief clashes in my family and area that get heavily debated.  Maybe that has given me an unmerited competitive perspective on denominations.  

 

It should give that perspective. And that's a pointer to not allow yourself to get wrapped up in all that, but instead stay within God's Holy Writ for yourself. One of the worst attitudes a believer on Christ Jesus can have is to think they must rely on some Church system, or denomination, etc., to interpret God's Word for them and tell them what it says. Christ expects us to verify for ourselves, as He is Who gives us to understand, not men. He provides teachers and pastors that can help, but we are still to put our trust in Him and verify for ourselves. Many think our Lord will not show us as individual believers, thinking we must completely rely on a pastor or elders of a Church.



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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?

division can be bad. Often when we see the bible talking about unity it is not talking about having the exact same set of beliefs as everyone else. It is usually talking about loving one another and that if we don't do this then it can affect our witness. Just because people think a different way is best does not mean they are not trying to get to the same place. Like a road trip. One can take a bus and get there while another could take a car and get to the same place.



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There are a lot of belief clashes in my family and area that get heavily debated.  Maybe that has given me an unmerited competitive perspective on denominations.  

Lot's of things are heavily debated in Christendom. End times doctrine, God's sovereignty & free will, baptism, communion, worship styles, worship order, church organization, church discipline, etc.

So what is your point Tyler? Not sure I understand the purpose of this thread. :help:

God bless,

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I live in an are where denominations are VERY diverse.  I just read my Bible and take what God reveals to me.  I thought division was a bad thing?  If so, why do so many people associate as this or that?

division can be bad. Often when we see the bible talking about unity it is not talking about having the exact same set of beliefs as everyone else. It is usually talking about loving one another and that if we don't do this then it can affect our witness. Just because people think a different way is best does not mean they are not trying to get to the same place. Like a road trip. One can take a bus and get there while another could take a car and get to the same place.

 

Good analogy. :thumbsup:






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