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If Adam, and Eve did not eat from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", nor did they eat from the "tree of life", how long would they have lived for?



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since there was no death, forever. :D



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since there was no death, forever. :D

If you are right about Adam and Eve living forever if they did not eat from the tree God commanded not to, then what would be the purpose of the "tree of life" if all Adam and Eve had to do is not eat from the forbidden tree to live forever?


Edited by CurtisCWilson, 15 August 2014 - 08:33 PM.


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If Adam, and Eve did not eat from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", nor did they eat from the "tree of life", how long would they have lived for?


Until they die.



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I would imagine they would have lived a lifespan approximately 10 times greater than we live today.  Adam lived to be 930 years of age.  God shortened man's days to approximately threescore and ten years to fourscore years, which is 70 to 80 years.  Had God not shortened man's days, being denied access to the tree of life would likely mean a lifespan of 700 to 800 years on average.



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If Adam, and Eve did not eat from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", nor did they eat from the "tree of life", how long would they have lived for?


Until they died.

 

I think we can find a parallel here between Adam and Eve, and Jesus Christ. Since they were all sinless yet their physical bodies aged, even Jesus grew from a baby to a full grown man on earth. If Jesus never went to the cross how long would his physical body last?


Edited by CurtisCWilson, 15 August 2014 - 08:44 PM.


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I would imagine they would have lived a lifespan approximately 10 times greater than we live today.  Adam lived to be 930 years of age.  God shortened man's days to approximately threescore and ten years to fourscore years, which is 70 to 80 years.  Had God not shortened man's days, being denied access to the tree of life would likely mean a lifespan of 700 to 800 years on average.

That was after the fall. How long would they have lived if they never disobeyed God, but never eat from the tree of life?



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Death came with adam according to the bible. So I think they would have lived forever, eating of the tree of life. Then they sinned and were kicked out of the garden so they would not eat of the tree of life and live forever. Because the Lord told them if they ate of the fruit they would die. 

 

Gen 2

9 And out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food. The tree of life also was in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

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16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, You may freely eat of every tree in the garden,
17 but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

 

Gen 3

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,



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I would imagine they would have lived a lifespan approximately 10 times greater than we live today.  Adam lived to be 930 years of age.  God shortened man's days to approximately threescore and ten years to fourscore years, which is 70 to 80 years.  Had God not shortened man's days, being denied access to the tree of life would likely mean a lifespan of 700 to 800 years on average.

That was after the fall. How long would they have lived if they never disobeyed God, but never eat from the tree of life?

 

 

They were not forbidden from eating of the tree of life until after they sinned. Death had come.



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This is what I think on this. God determines how long our life lasts. Luke 12:20 is talking about a parable of a rich fool who thought he could use his wealth to make his life better, but his time ran out. In dueteronomy 30: 20 it says God is our life, and the length of our days.
in genisis 6:3 we can see God does not want to strive with man forever, and limits mans life to 120 years and before this man lived for hundreds of years, as can be found early in genisis. Basicly, every day, every breath, every second is a gift from God and He is totaly in control of the length of our days. So adam and eve "could have" lived forever if God allowed, and as Pat said, the curse of death had not yet come. But the purpose of the tree of life can be found in genisis 3:22 where it says... and the Lord God said, behold, the man is become one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.... this shows the tree of life was to give eternal life. To me it also shows God always gives us the choice to choose life and he desires to give us eternal life. God is good.

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I would imagine they would have lived a lifespan approximately 10 times greater than we live today.  Adam lived to be 930 years of age.  God shortened man's days to approximately threescore and ten years to fourscore years, which is 70 to 80 years.  Had God not shortened man's days, being denied access to the tree of life would likely mean a lifespan of 700 to 800 years on average.

That was after the fall. How long would they have lived if they never disobeyed God, but never eat from the tree of life?

 

 

They were not forbidden from eating of the tree of life until after they sinned. Death had come.

 

Are you saying that Adam and Eve did eat from the tree of life while in the garden? If that is true then eternal life can be taken back once you have it.



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This is what I think on this. God determines how long our life lasts. Luke 12:20 is talking about a parable of a rich fool who thought he could use his wealth to make his life better, but his time ran out. In dueteronomy 30: 20 it says God is our life, and the length of our days.
in genisis 6:3 we can see God does not want to strive with man forever, and limits mans life to 120 years and before this man lived for hundreds of years, as can be found early in genisis. Basicly, every day, every breath, every second is a gift from God and He is totaly in control of the length of our days. So adam and eve "could have" lived forever if God allowed, and as Pat said, the curse of death had not yet come. But the purpose of the tree of life can be found in genisis 3:22 where it says... and the Lord God said, behold, the man is become one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.... this shows the tree of life was to give eternal life. To me it also shows God always gives us the choice to choose life and he desires to give us eternal life. God is good.

Can eternal life be lived out in a physical body? What about the scripture that says. "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" Something has to give, something has to change.



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Had they never sinned but never eaten from the tree of life, I believe they would have lived an average lifespan of 700 to 800 years.  Look at it like this.  Lets suppose that God placed the tree of life in our town square, and gave us full access to it.  If we eat from it, we can live forever, but there is one catch.  If we sin, we will be banned from the tree and surely die.  Now lets suppose I don't sin, but I decide I don't wish to live forever, so I choose to abstain from the tree of life.  I would live an average lifespan according to the number of days a man would live in the natural.  Before God lowered the lifespan to 70 to 80 years, it was approximately 10 times longer, so I would expect to live to be 700 to 800 years old.  If I could have access to the tree of life today, though Adam sinned, I would live forever in this fleshly body.  Remember that God placed an angel with a flaming sword to guard the way of the tree of life so Adam wouldn't live forever in the flesh. 



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This is what I think on this. God determines how long our life lasts. Luke 12:20 is talking about a parable of a rich fool who thought he could use his wealth to make his life better, but his time ran out. In dueteronomy 30: 20 it says God is our life, and the length of our days.
in genisis 6:3 we can see God does not want to strive with man forever, and limits mans life to 120 years and before this man lived for hundreds of years, as can be found early in genisis. Basicly, every day, every breath, every second is a gift from God and He is totaly in control of the length of our days. So adam and eve "could have" lived forever if God allowed, and as Pat said, the curse of death had not yet come. But the purpose of the tree of life can be found in genisis 3:22 where it says... and the Lord God said, behold, the man is become one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.... this shows the tree of life was to give eternal life. To me it also shows God always gives us the choice to choose life and he desires to give us eternal life. God is good.

Can eternal life be lived out in a physical body? What about the scripture that says. "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" Something has to give, something has to change.

If man had eaten the tree of life first things would be much different. Since adam and eve ate the from the tree of knowledge sin and curse came into the world. Because man has sinful nature now, flesh and blood cant inherit the kingdom. The something that has to give as you say, was Christs blood to wipe away our sins. What changes now is we die and get a new spiritual body see 1 corinthians chapter 15. If adam had never ate from the tree of knowledge things and history would be much different.

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This is what I think on this. God determines how long our life lasts. Luke 12:20 is talking about a parable of a rich fool who thought he could use his wealth to make his life better, but his time ran out. In dueteronomy 30: 20 it says God is our life, and the length of our days.
in genisis 6:3 we can see God does not want to strive with man forever, and limits mans life to 120 years and before this man lived for hundreds of years, as can be found early in genisis. Basicly, every day, every breath, every second is a gift from God and He is totaly in control of the length of our days. So adam and eve "could have" lived forever if God allowed, and as Pat said, the curse of death had not yet come. But the purpose of the tree of life can be found in genisis 3:22 where it says... and the Lord God said, behold, the man is become one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.... this shows the tree of life was to give eternal life. To me it also shows God always gives us the choice to choose life and he desires to give us eternal life. God is good.

Can eternal life be lived out in a physical body? What about the scripture that says. "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" Something has to give, something has to change.

If man had eaten the tree of life first things would be much different. Since adam and eve ate the from the tree of knowledge sin and curse came into the world. Because man has sinful nature now, flesh and blood cant inherit the kingdom. The something that has to give as you say, was Christs blood to wipe away our sins. What changes now is we die and get a new spiritual body see 1 corinthians chapter 15. If adam had never ate from the tree of knowledge things and history would be much different.

 

What would have happened if Jesus never went to the cross and he lived out his life on earth, would his physical body hold up to eternity without ever dying? We know he aged just like every one else.


Edited by CurtisCWilson, 15 August 2014 - 09:27 PM.


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That is a question I have no clue about. John 10:18 is the only thing I can think of thats close to that. The main thing I can think of is if Jesus never died on the cross would be, we would all go to hell because there would have been no sacrifice for our sins.

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That is a question I have no clue about. John 10:18 is the only thing I can think of thats close to that. The main thing I can think of is if Jesus never died on the cross would be, we would all go to hell because there would have been no sacrifice for our sins.

I agree with you 100%

These are the kinds of things I think about once in awhile. I believe we can know the answer to those kinds of questions once we become mature in the Lord. I think the Lord wants us to know these things.

 

The human physical body was not designed to live for ever. It is a part of this physical world, and this world will be destroyed by fire and all the elements are going to melt with fervent heat. Adam and Eve would have eventually died if they never ate from the tree of life or from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But that is not a bad thing, because the only thing that can separate a man from God is spiritual death not physical death. Sin is the only thing that can do that.

Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 
Rom 8:39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 


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I would imagine they would have lived a lifespan approximately 10 times greater than we live today.  Adam lived to be 930 years of age.  God shortened man's days to approximately threescore and ten years to fourscore years, which is 70 to 80 years.  Had God not shortened man's days, being denied access to the tree of life would likely mean a lifespan of 700 to 800 years on average.

That was after the fall. How long would they have lived if they never disobeyed God, but never eat from the tree of life?

 

 

They were not forbidden from eating of the tree of life until after they sinned. Death had come.

 

Are you saying that Adam and Eve did eat from the tree of life while in the garden? If that is true then eternal life can be taken back once you have it.

 

 

Im saying it was not forbidden to eat of it until after they sinned. I think it is a big and dangerous leap to make the claim that you can lose eternal life just based on this in genesis. That is reading more into the verses than what they say. 



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This is what I think on this. God determines how long our life lasts. Luke 12:20 is talking about a parable of a rich fool who thought he could use his wealth to make his life better, but his time ran out. In dueteronomy 30: 20 it says God is our life, and the length of our days.
in genisis 6:3 we can see God does not want to strive with man forever, and limits mans life to 120 years and before this man lived for hundreds of years, as can be found early in genisis. Basicly, every day, every breath, every second is a gift from God and He is totaly in control of the length of our days. So adam and eve "could have" lived forever if God allowed, and as Pat said, the curse of death had not yet come. But the purpose of the tree of life can be found in genisis 3:22 where it says... and the Lord God said, behold, the man is become one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.... this shows the tree of life was to give eternal life. To me it also shows God always gives us the choice to choose life and he desires to give us eternal life. God is good.

Can eternal life be lived out in a physical body? What about the scripture that says. "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" Something has to give, something has to change.

If man had eaten the tree of life first things would be much different. Since adam and eve ate the from the tree of knowledge sin and curse came into the world. Because man has sinful nature now, flesh and blood cant inherit the kingdom. The something that has to give as you say, was Christs blood to wipe away our sins. What changes now is we die and get a new spiritual body see 1 corinthians chapter 15. If adam had never ate from the tree of knowledge things and history would be much different.

 

What would have happened if Jesus never went to the cross and he lived out his life on earth, would his physical body hold up to eternity without ever dying? We know he aged just like every one else.

 

Jesus is Lord. It is pointless to speculate how He would have lived out His life without dying on the cross since that was the whole point of His being on earth to start with. 



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Jade, that reminds me of the chorus of that song Micheal W. Smith did.... Above all.




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