Hi, my name is Mike. I am just looking for some advise and understanding. My question/situation is more for pastor's, I'm sure there are some on here. Ever since I was young... maybe 8 years old, I have wanted to serve the Lord... I felt like he wanted me to serve for him. I was raised Cathilic but 7 years ago I felt closer to the Baptist church. To make a long story short, I feel like the Lord wants me to be a pastor but I feel like I am not someone who is worthy of thinking about it. For one thing I am not real smart as far as school smart. I dropped out of high school in grade 11 and never went back. I don't know the first thing about becoming a pastor (a real pastor, not a purchased card off the internet that says I am a pastor) and I feel too old to even be thinking about changing... I am turning 40. Any advice? Don't worry about hurting my feelings, tell it like it is haha
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Becoming a pastor
Posted 18 August 2014 - 01:24 PM
Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:06 PM
Hey Brother Mike !!
You do not need to be a pastor to serve the Lord. You can do that now. Jesus will help every believer in being a witness, and so trust Him to guide you as to when and where people are seeking the Lord or are wanting answers that the Lord has given you to share.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Degrees are over-rated as a necessity for serving Him. Just have a KJV handy and lean on Him.
2 Corinthians 3:1Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:16 PM
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty...
It's not what we are, but what Christ is in you.
It is better that you don't think you are so much.
Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:41 AM
Welcome to Worthy.........God bless you! May I ask you a question?What makes you think the Lord has called you to be a "Pastor"specifically?We are all called to go out & make disciples of men as disciples to one another & to all but not to shepherd a church,that is very specific......so I am curious
You can begin by contacting different Bible Colleges,Charis has a very good reputation,,,,,,find out what the pre-requisites are,I believe you do have to have a High School diploma or the equivalent of so,you might want to start there. And there are some very good Bible Colleges that you can complete your courses & studies on the internet.........Do you go to a local church?It would be a good idea to speak with your Pastor about what is involved besides the Wisdom & Understanding by the Power of the Holy spirit that it is Gods Will for you
With love-in Christ,Kwik
Posted 19 August 2014 - 12:19 PM
HOWEVER, you can "minister" for God and His Son, Jesus, wherever you are.
In fact, if you are not doing God's will right now where you are today, what makes you think you will do so after spending thousands of dollars and years of study to become a "pastor"? Even if you did make such an investment, you would be no closer to reflecting Christ to those you interact with than you are today.
I am firmly convinced that the two most important things for any Christian to do is draw close to God through His only Son, Christ Jesus, as earnestly and daily as one can, and, to reflect Christ to those around us.
The ONLY way we can reflect Christ and be more like Him, is to spend as much time as we can with Him, preferably daily.
(Or at the very least make sure you spend at least seven to eight hours with Him a week. - I get this from the fourth commandment where God tells people to set aside an entire day for Him each week. Through the New Testement, I interpret this to mean that we should set aside sheduled time each week to meet with God. - This does not include going to church or having a day of rest. It means we should actively and consciously spend quality time with God each week, and 7 or 8 hours is a good place to start. For a pastor, I would suggest no less than 20-30 hours a week. If you want to be a pastor, spend at least two hours a day getting to know God better. If you do that for a week, you will be surprised how much God is leading you.)
It is my opinion that the most important and fundanmental responsibility of a preacher/ pastor/ minister/ reverend, or whatever, is to reflect Christ to those they lead, and to lead them to desire to be closer to Christ.
The only way one can instill in someone else the desire to be closer to Christ is to have that desire oneself and share how exciting and fun (that is, joyfilled – even in the midst of adversity) it is to be living it oneself.
Set your sights on having a great (and even, respectfully, fun) relationship with Christ daily. After you have this part down, then talk with Him about how to reflect Him to the world around you. (You probably won't need to talk with Him much about this because you will be changing to be like Him as you spend more time with Him anyway.)
After you are spending all day talking with Jesus and hearing Him clearly in return, THEN you can ask Him what to do next.
Don't limit it to going to school for several years and spending many thousands of dollars in order to “do God's will”.
Take it day by day and just enjoy getting to know Jesus better, and see what happens. He probably won't tell you what is years down the road for you. All He really wants from you (and any Christian, indeed, any human) is a great daily relationship with Him. Once you are in love with Jesus, you can't help but want to share Him with others. That is when you are where Jesus wants you.
Edited by Earnest, 19 August 2014 - 04:31 PM.
Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:20 PM
Thank you all for your responses! Kwik, there are many reasons why I am thinking of this step in life. I don't want to really get into it because I don't want it to sound like I am knocking churches, so I will just say that every day I see more and more churches turning worldly. Catholic, Baptist... does not matter. They preform gay marriages and tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. In my small city there is one huge church and a couple small ones. The pastor of the huge church has two cars and a yacht that he goes sailing in each week. To me that is not right, that is not living humble. That is standing infront of people one day a week and telling them God loves them and has forgiven all their sins, then having a blast the rest of the week. Not every church is like this, but more and more are becoming worldly. But aside from my personal reasons like those few examples, I think God is calling me to be a pastor and has been for a long time because I can feel it. It feels like the Holy Spirit is trying to guide me in that path. Kind of like if you are about to do something wrong and you get that feeling it is wrong... like if you are at the store and the teller gives you change back for a $20 when you only gave her a $5. You could really use the money, but you have that feeling telling you not to walk away. Or if you are in the grocery store line and the person infront of you is short $ for their baby diapers. You have no extra money but you get that feeling asking you if you really need that bag of doritos? Ok, maybe those are not great examples haha, but it's the feeling we all have from the Holy Spirit to guide us in every day life, big choices and small choices. There is one big reason why I question it... I am 40 and I do not have my highscool diploma. I am not dumb, but I am not "school smart". My credit is toast, I made a lot of wrong choices in life because they are choices I made without handing my life to God and accepting his guidance. I am at the point now of knowing I should have listened, and thinking I need to start listening. But it is hard... most people's idea of a pastor is a well educated man who has always had his life together, that is not me.
Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:33 PM
If you really feel like becoming a pastor is the direction God is showing you, then you should do something about it. Whilst intelligence is a gift from God to us, there are many different forms of it. A pastor does not have to be an astrophysist, considering what you said about being smart. He will teach you what you need to know and sense. Our stength is in His wisdom.
I am graduating to become a pastor in the Lutheran church in about one year from now. The path to here so far has been rocky and sometimes I've really wondered if I am heading the right way. The church here has quite much as you said, taken the wordly direction, and one has to wonder where things are heading. What can you do in such a place? Frankly, I have no clue, it has been only recently the whole idea of working as a pastor in a congregation has begun to make sense, after four years of study in the university. The university alone won't do much good, the best experiences no doubt come from the life outside. Hopefully God has a plan why I am supposed to become a pastor. But He seldom makes mistakes (read: never).
The issue about the burden of being a pastor is another thing. Such humility is required to be worthy of that job. For on the ground level and in the face of God, such positions don't matter. But in today's church culture they exist. And can be run in many ways. As long as pastors exist, I really pray to have those born in spirit and not in doctrine only.
You sound like a solid person, someone whom the Lord has a job to do. If your calling is to become a pastor, then off you go. Even my entrance into the university was a sort of miracle. On the way to the entrance exam I managed to grab a dog bitten age old pencil with me, wrote the answers with ink, no correcting whatsoever. I think was half a point that sufficed to put me on the list to enter. Ever since it's been shocking the academic world with revelationary material, being the worldly state it is in.
So if I could do that (although, not me but Christ within me ), you should have no problem.
All you really need, is a serving heart. Be it a pastor or not. Praise God.
Posted 19 August 2014 - 10:31 PM
Posted 20 August 2014 - 12:52 AM
However don't let your age deceive you. That's the devil getting in your ear. If Gods will is for you to become a pastor, then do it.
for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. Do all things without grumbling or disputing
equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Hope this helps
Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:43 AM
Those are perfect examples of the guidance of the Holy Spirit,more than great examples,,,they are real.everyday life's trials.tests & experiences.If you feel that strongly about this calling then you should just move ahead without further delay,40 is not old ,,,,,instead ,look at it this way 20,30 & 40 years more of walking in the Purpose of Gods calling for you is a good number of years to get a lot of work done!
Begin with getting that HS equiv diploma & looking into the different Bible Colleges.....these are things that will be required as I believe,don't delay....there is no time like the present.The Lord will be right by your side & direct your footsteps,trust Him & go for it!
With love-in Christ,Kwik
Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:12 PM
Should you feel God leading you to be a pastor, are you already leading a small group Bible study? Should that be successful, it would be confirmitation of the call into the ministry.
Often when God calls people to do a thing they can't help but do the same type of thing now. God's love compells them. You should not become a pastor because of the error of others. It should be because God's compassion for the lost, the sheep without a shepherd, will allow you to do nothing else. An easy way to begin a study would be to use a Navigators bible study or the 10 Basic Steps series by Campus Crusade. Or you might offer to help in a high school or middle school sunday school class. If God causes it to grow, you are on the right track. Are you serving at a local mission? Are you already witnessing to others what God has done in your own life to make you a new creature? Are people drawn to you for Godly counsel, prayer or advice? My own church watches people to see what they are presently doing to determine the ministry God has called them into.
Are you already serving in what ever capacity you can in a local church? You can help to set up chairs or to clean up afterward. GOD CHOOSES PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVENTS.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:47 PM
I can appreciate that you are feeling called by God to become a pastor. You have asked for advice, so let me point out a few things. I won't question whether or not you are actually being called by God to become a pastor. If God is calling you, then He will make it happen. The point is to not strive about it. Striving is trying to make something happen by your own strength, willfulness or determination. Whatever God purposes, He will accomplish in His own timing and by His chosen method. So, there is no need to strive about becoming a pastor, because in all likelihood, your efforts will probably be conflicting with God's Will for your life. If you want to hold onto your feeling of being called to be a pastor, then hold onto it and rejoice that God is in control. Being a pastor is a very unique calling. In its purest definition, a pastor shepherds his flock. He is devoted to the edification of his flock. Ideally, he should spend enough time to get to knowing each and every member of his flock, their needs, their hopes, their relationship with our Lord, their callings and how he can help them. If your flock is about 100-200 believers, it will consume all of your time to minister to them. You will have to become a servant to all of them, not someone who is exalted on a pedestal. The most important thing about being a pastor is what I have read in most of the replies to your question thus far: The consensus is clear that your relationship with God needs to flourish first. Your testimony of what God has done in your life is what your true ministry is about. Your lifestyle will speak louder than any sermon you could possibly give. Having compassion for all who you encounter is a big key to impacting people. We are called to a lifestyle of Love and without that Love, we end up spinning our wheels just like what is mentioned in the Book of Revelation concerning the church of Ephesus.
Mike, open your heart to be shown by God what He wants to show you first. It won't be how to become a pastor. It will be how to really connect with Him, how to walk in the empowering of God's Spirit, how to hear clearly from Him. When you walk daily in agape, having no fear and feeling the very presence of God within your heart, then people will see that God is truly within you. God will draw them to you because He will be drawing them to Himself. When that day comes, you'll be ready for a flock to be entrusted to you and God will make it happen, if that is indeed your calling.
So, Mike, don't even worry about being a pastor. As it has been mentioned by others, spend your time now, learning how to minister to whoever you run across by allowing God to be your Teacher about Grace, Love and forgiveness. But, don't just learn about it, live it in the Spirit of God. That's why we have the Comforter.
God Bless you, my brother, Mike.
Posted 21 August 2014 - 11:08 AM
John 15:5 - I am the vine, you are the branches. The one who abides in me while I abide in him produces much fruit, because apart from me you can do nothing.
Galatians 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things.
Matthew 7:20 - So by their fruit you will know them.
My advice to anyone who is called to a role in ministry is grow fruit first. I've witnessed too many ministers with very little or no good fruit, which does more damage than good.
If you want to share Christ, then know Christ first.
Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:20 PM
Brother you are in good company here. It does not require a street smart or a worldly smart person to be used of God. In fact that is not a requirement, and is more of a hindrance as that is part of the flesh.The Lord uses thoses who are willing to offer himself to him as a living sacrifice. Remember when you are weak, then he is strong. You will not find anyone in the Bible who the Lord used mightily who would give credit to having a great education or good speaking abilities, in fact you find the opposite. The Apostle Paul said that he had labored more than any man, but then he says, yet it was not me, but the grace of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
The Apostle Paul knew that all of his work he did, and all the Words the Lord spoke through him did not come from himself, but the grace of God that was in him.
Even the Son of God, Jesus Christ confessed that his Words were not his but His Father that was dwelling inside him. If you are willing to let the Lord use you, you can not go wrong.
Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:27 AM
GOD s will for our lives ll definitely play itself out,as long as our hearts are in right standing with HIM,thats what matters, the state of our hearts with him, leave GOD to do the worrying,you just play your part of serving HIM and loving HIM, GOD BLESS you
Posted 07 September 2014 - 03:53 PM
Hey Mike, I think someone mentioned Charis Bible College in this thread. I am attending Charis and I'm 42. I am in the first year program online and after that will see where God leads me. The second and third year has to be done at the college. It is a great program and during the second year you get to do a missions trip. Third year program is more specific to what you want, missions, ministry, media and business. They have extension schools as well throughout the US so you might have one close to you.
Posted 08 September 2014 - 11:29 AM
I don't really have any advice so to say. But what you are saying is very much what happen to my pastor. He got the calling to be a pastor at the age of 45. He hated school and did not want to have to go back and study more. He tried to fight the calling but God would not stop calling him. He obeyed God's calling, went back to school while he was working, and just a few years ago became a full pastor. If God is calling you to do something then he will be there to help you do it. Look at Moses what God wanted him to do. Moses was afraid and did not think he could do what God was wanting him to do. But God helped him.
Posted 08 September 2014 - 05:29 PM
Praying for you Mike. Just seek the Lord. And His will and way for your life. As you do that, all else will fall into place.
Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:24 PM
blessings to you brother mike:)
can i post a comment even if im not a pastor?
( i assume it would be ok:))
you are God's mouthpiece and God doesnt call the qualified, He qualifies the called. (not my words:)
Not by might nor by power but by my Spirit (Zech 4:6)
Posted 12 September 2014 - 09:51 PM
Once upon a time I thought I was called to be a pastor, the key in that sentence is I with a lack of God. Since then I have realized that is not the case, and have developed a little bit of a pet peave about the phrase "I feel called to ministry."
Others have mentioned we are all called to ministry, to "go and make disciples of all nations."
Many people quote Jeremiah 29:11 when they talk about God having plans for our lives, but often forget 29:13 which says "you will seek me and you will find me, when you seek me with all your heart." We talk about God's will for our lives, but forget the part where we have to make an effort. I also believe that we often get caught up in emotions, pride, glamor, etc. and claim that we are "called" to ministry roles such as Pastor, Youth Pastor, Missionary, but we forget to continue to seek God with all our heart. If you truly believe that you are called to be pastor, then by all means, answer that calling. But I also encourage you to actively seek God with your whole heart, and seek out His will and leading in your life every day.