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Joel Osteen. False Prophet?
Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:09 AM
Now I havent come up with a clear view yet but I have noted some truths in whats been revealed.
- Joel often refers to people using their own strength
- Joel often doesnt go 100% to scripture
- Joel's latest book has no mention of God
- Joel owns a 10.2 million $$ mansion
- Joel also owns a very expensive car
- Joel never mentions our salvation
- Joel never preaches to convict, its always motivational speaker type stuff
- Joel has mentioned eyebrow raising things during interviews such as becoming a pastor at Lakewood to take over from his Dad; and uses the words "I, me, you, we" often
But then there are some "excuses" for this:
- Firstly who are we to judge? That is Gods job and only Gods job. Our job is to focus on our relationships and bring others TO Christ not paranoy people away from him
- Joel is not like Benny Hinn. He has never made ludicrous false prophecys
- Joel reads from the Bible and prays before and after each sermon
- How do we not know Joels calling is to motivate people through Christ?
So what are your thoughts on Joel Osteen guys? Is he false? Misunderstood? Some even say hes the anti-Christ. What are your thoughts?
Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:37 AM
Be very careful with what you present as truths. Unless you have a transcript of everything he has said, the terms "never" and "always" should not be in your postings. They are blanket statements, which often are proven wrong, making the statement a lie.
After watching many speaking from Joel, I have come to the conclusion that he is a motivational speaker, trying to raise the confidence of the audience. I do not see him as a biblical teacher or preacher.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:44 AM
You simply have to check it out on Youtube. And I said often, to be clear Joel was my first favorite preacher, so maybe Im biased in giving him a chance moreso than others are. But I believe he could very much just be misunderstood. But I dont want to completely think that as I dont want to be deceived either.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:49 AM
No wait you're right, I did type never a few times. But yes, from what I have read and watched on youtube, a few misuses of the Bible and preaching methods are quite clear.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:45 AM
Along with motivational speaking style, it is said that his style also includes “prosperity gospel” and “words of faith” doctrines. Those doctrines have been called heresy. How many people watch his sermons or attend his church is not proof that how he teaches is correct or in error. He has made several statements in interviews that have caused folks to be wary of what he preaches.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:12 AM
He is all talk.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:41 AM
He is not a prophet at all and does not claim to be. Neither is he a Christian preacher. He may be a Christian, he may be a preacher, but he in no way is a Gospel teaching preacher. As JoMomma stated above, he is just a rich man; who has a large following of the type of people whom Revelation places in the church at Laodicea.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:34 PM
To the Church in Laodicea
14“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
21To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:35 PM
In interviews with larry king and fox (cant recall who tho), he states that he wont call sin what it is and he wont say that someone in false religions isnt saved nor will he say Jesus is the only way. Those transcripts are available online and later tonight if I have time (and remember), I will search them out for you.
Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:38 PM
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
God will be the judge,but we have to be aware of false or deceiving teachings we hear,so nobody can lead us astray...
I think he is motivational and a prosperity teaching and not a biblical teacher ,but we have to be careful of judging..
Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:47 PM
In all honestly....I have no idea what Joel Osteen is or what he is not,I heard him 2 days ago in an interview & he seems to dance around issues that require political correctness so he does not lean to the left or the right & therefore he stays unbiased.......he has no problem letting everyone know that Jesus died for all sin & anyone can come to the foot of the cross for forgiveness,so who am I to judge,,,,,,,I guess it is easy to preach prosperity when you are living a financially prosperous life?I suppose God uses him to draw men to Jesus,there is nothing wrong with hearing motivational speeches.....& then everyone is responsible for their own Salvation ,are they not?
I don't know,God Bless Joell Osteen & his family,I hope he is right with God,,,,,that is between him & the Lord.As for anyone that has a problem with him,do as I do......change the channel Love,Kwik
I just went on YouTube to look up the interview that Jade mentioned,well,,,,,he sure seems to have a different agenda than what the Bible says..... I heard some very dangerous statements from his mouth like the many paths to Jesus & how Jesus may present himself to others,like homosexuals,Mormons etc,,,,,,,,he says he believes that Jesus is the only Way but he cannot & will not say that Jesus only presents Himself one Way to people,,,,,,,huh? He just will not commit to saying anything that excludes anybody.....I think Joel needs our prayers
Posted 20 August 2014 - 02:35 PM
In interviews with larry king and fox (cant recall who tho), he states that he wont call sin what it is and he wont say that someone in false religions isnt saved nor will he say Jesus is the only way ...
He sounds like an Episcopalian
Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:35 PM
Posted 20 August 2014 - 04:30 PM
false prophet? i don't think he falls into that definition. but my opinion of him is that he's a 'feel good' preacher (yes, leaning towards name it claim it and prosperity teachings). the problem with feel good preaching is that it has little real substance. it's all dessert without any meat. my husband enjoys listening to him, so i've had the occasion to listen along, and i've never really heard him preach anything about consequences... or anything about repentance.
Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:48 PM
My hairdresser likes him because he teaches good family relationships. Personally, I found no substance from him. It was a lot of positive thinking and positive speaking. Perhaps the greatest danger is in allowing people with no relationship with Christ to think they are saved.
That is how Osteen strikes me as well...no substance. All fluff and no stuff. I disregarded him after listening to him ONCE.
Posted 22 August 2014 - 02:49 PM
Did I miss something? Has Joel declared himself a prophet?
Some people refer to his Sunday morning sessions as 'Christianity Light'...so light it floats awaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy..........let's just say you cannot really let
your anchor down
Prophet...false or otherwise...not really
I never trust someone who smiles ALL the time...
Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:14 PM
Please provide the name of one man or woman alive or dead that spoke/taught 100% without error, excluding Jesus ?
I've come to understand that no man/woman is perfect or possess the total revelation of GOD, and being human prone to error. With that said, take the fruit that you are able to eat and leave the rest.
Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:47 PM
Is perfection required to preach the gospel? No.
Is the gospel prosperity and denial of sin? No.
Posted 22 August 2014 - 06:10 PM
The bible does tell us to avoid false teachers.
The bible does tell us to leave milk behind and get on meat.
Osteen is milk only, at best. He preaches a false prosperity doctrine and will not openly say that one needs Jesus to be saved. To me, that crosses the line between minor doctrinal differences to a major doctrinal error. One that can cost folks salvation. After all, if he refuses to say one needs Jesus, then how will folks know they need Him to be saved?
Posted 22 August 2014 - 07:13 PM
Who is our Good Shepherd?
1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
So prove all teachings with His help by the scripture as kept by those that loved Him in the KJV.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.
Be sure to pray for Joel Osteen when you think of him.
1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ