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I believe that because there is so much symbolism in the bible, some things are simply missed.

 

Anyone whether Jew or Greek who have put on the new man in Christ will take part in the first resurrection. There is no distinction.  These will be changed at the coming.

All these saints will rule with Christ for 1000 years.  The Jews who believed and followed Christ will be saints also, eg the apostles and their disciples and any Israelite living according to Christ will be in that resurrection.

 

But the rest of Israel, going back to the early generations who were born "before" Christ did not know him.

Christ clearly said he is the door, and that "no man come come to the Father except through him.

 

So what about the old prophets, and Israelites who served God following the old law, was their worship in vain?

Absolutely not.

 

These will have their opportunity during the millennium.  They will be brought back to life in "the flesh".  They will live again, and they will be taught to worship God according to the new covenant, Christ.  This type of worship does not include animal sacrifices and rituals as per the old covenant, as this was done away with at Christ's death. 

 

Where on earth did I get this idea? Sounds crazy right?

 

Well put the scriptures all together, 

and now put this scripture into the scenario.

 

 

Ezekiel 37:5   Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Ezekiel 37:6   And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 37:10   So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Ezekiel 37:12   Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:13   And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Ezekiel 37:14   And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

 

Ezekiel 37:21   And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Ezekiel 37:22   And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

 

 

Ezekiel 37:28   And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

 

You can read that whole chapter for yourself to get a clearer picture.

 

 

It is obvious to me who will be the inhabitants of the kingdom during the millennium.  Israel, ....but they will be in the flesh.  Big difference.  The ressurected saints will be there also overseeing them.  Christ will be their king.  I think this is going to be an amazing time and we will see things happen that we've missed in the scriptures. 

What do you think?  Is this truth or fantasy?


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I'm not so sure that you can limit the millennial kingdom to just Israelis.


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There is nothing in scripture stating the dead will come back to life to rule during Christ 1000 year reign. What is being spoken of in Ezekiel 37 is the spiritual nature of the Jewish people, spiritually dead. I think you are trying to make this fit into the millennium, which it doess not.
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I believe that because there is so much symbolism in the bible, some things are simply missed.

 

Anyone whether Jew or Greek who have put on the new man in Christ will take part in the first resurrection. There is no distinction.  These will be changed at the coming.

All these saints will rule with Christ for 1000 years.  The Jews who believed and followed Christ will be saints also, eg the apostles and their disciples and any Israelite living according to Christ will be in that resurrection.

 

But the rest of Israel, going back to the early generations who were born "before" Christ did not know him.

Christ clearly said he is the door, and that "no man come come to the Father except through him.

 

So what about the old prophets, and Israelites who served God following the old law, was their worship in vain?

Absolutely not.

 

These will have their opportunity during the millennium.  They will be brought back to life in "the flesh".  They will live again, and they will be taught to worship God according to the new covenant, Christ.  This type of worship does not include animal sacrifices and rituals as per the old covenant, as this was done away with at Christ's death. 

 

Where on earth did I get this idea? Sounds crazy right?

 

Well put the scriptures all together, 

and now put this scripture into the scenario.

 

 

Ezekiel 37:5   Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Ezekiel 37:6   And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 37:10   So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Ezekiel 37:12   Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:13   And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Ezekiel 37:14   And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

 

Ezekiel 37:21   And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Ezekiel 37:22   And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

 

 

Ezekiel 37:28   And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

 

You can read that whole chapter for yourself to get a clearer picture.

 

 

It is obvious to me who will be the inhabitants of the kingdom during the millennium.  Israel, ....but they will be in the flesh.  Big difference.  The ressurected saints will be there also overseeing them.  Christ will be their king.  I think this is going to be an amazing time and we will see things happen that we've missed in the scriptures. 

What do you think?  Is this truth or fantasy?

From Adam to last of the old testement people will be ressurected in the first ressurection as saints with the second coming of Jesus to rule with Him over wicked nations 


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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.


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I believe that because there is so much symbolism in the bible, some things are simply missed.

 

Anyone whether Jew or Greek who have put on the new man in Christ will take part in the first resurrection. There is no distinction.  These will be changed at the coming.

All these saints will rule with Christ for 1000 years.  The Jews who believed and followed Christ will be saints also, eg the apostles and their disciples and any Israelite living according to Christ will be in that resurrection.

 

But the rest of Israel, going back to the early generations who were born "before" Christ did not know him.

Christ clearly said he is the door, and that "no man come come to the Father except through him.

 

So what about the old prophets, and Israelites who served God following the old law, was their worship in vain?

Absolutely not.

 

These will have their opportunity during the millennium.  They will be brought back to life in "the flesh".  They will live again, and they will be taught to worship God according to the new covenant, Christ.  This type of worship does not include animal sacrifices and rituals as per the old covenant, as this was done away with at Christ's death. 

 

Where on earth did I get this idea? Sounds crazy right?

 

Well put the scriptures all together, 

and now put this scripture into the scenario.

 

 

Ezekiel 37:5   Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Ezekiel 37:6   And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 37:10   So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Ezekiel 37:12   Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:13   And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Ezekiel 37:14   And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

 

Ezekiel 37:21   And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Ezekiel 37:22   And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

 

 

Ezekiel 37:28   And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

 

You can read that whole chapter for yourself to get a clearer picture.

 

 

It is obvious to me who will be the inhabitants of the kingdom during the millennium.  Israel, ....but they will be in the flesh.  Big difference.  The ressurected saints will be there also overseeing them.  Christ will be their king.  I think this is going to be an amazing time and we will see things happen that we've missed in the scriptures. 

What do you think?  Is this truth or fantasy?

1 Corinthians 10 King James Version (KJV)
 
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
 
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
 
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
 
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
 
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Where are they now ? thanks 


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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Where is King David ? Is he in heaven looking down at us? thanks  


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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Psa 68:18 - When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train, and gave gifts to men;... Eph 4:8,9  - When He ascended on high, He led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.  The spirits/souls of OT Saints rose at His ascension.  He who descended to the lower, earthly regions also ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe.

 

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Nothing in the Bible about people looking down on us, The Bible doesn't say who all, or where they went, only that they were seen by many


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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Psa 68:18 - When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train, and gave gifts to men;... Eph 4:8,9  - When He ascended on high, He led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.  The spirits/souls of OT Saints rose at His ascension.  He who descended to the lower, earthly regions also ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe.

 

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Acts 2:29King James Version (KJV)
 
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 

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Nothing in the Bible about people looking down on us, The Bible doesn't say who all, or where they went, only that they were seen by m
 

The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Why did the event took place at His death and the soilders saw it also ?  It says after His resurrection they enter the city not before
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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Psa 68:18 - When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train, and gave gifts to men;... Eph 4:8,9  - When He ascended on high, He led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.  The spirits/souls of OT Saints rose at His ascension.  He who descended to the lower, earthly regions also ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe.

 

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Acts 2:29King James Version (KJV)
 
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 

 

maybe he's not a saint.....  but I would wager he is here:

 

 

2 Cor 5:6-9
nt from the Lord —  7 for we walk by faith, not by sight —  8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
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All dead people have graves today, that doesn't mean they are in them.


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The old testament saints rose with Christ at His resurrection.

Psa 68:18 - When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train, and gave gifts to men;... Eph 4:8,9  - When He ascended on high, He led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.  The spirits/souls of OT Saints rose at His ascension.  He who descended to the lower, earthly regions also ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe.

 

In Christ

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Acts 2:29King James Version (KJV)
 
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 

 

maybe he's not a saint.....

 

Thats funny but on a serious note 

 

Psalm 106:16King James Version (KJV)

16 They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the Lord.


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All dead people have graves today, that doesn't mean they are in them.

Are you saying that the old testement saints have eternal life or the promise before Jesus come to give His reward ? Can yo please provide scripture to support your answer thanks 


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All dead people have graves today, that doesn't mean they are in them.

I bet we could open up the caskets of many; those recent burials would still have their flesh.  Those a hundred years old would have their flesh hanging on the bones;  Those beyond that their skin would have fallen off.  Their bodies are still in the grave.  There souls are someplace else, Heaven or Hades.

 

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There is nothing in scripture stating the dead will come back to life to rule during Christ 1000 year reign. What is being spoken of in Ezekiel 37 is the spiritual nature of the Jewish people, spiritually dead. I think you are trying to make this fit into the millennium, which it doess not.

 

Rachel crying for her children killed.

200 of them under 2yrs old. the remnant will be brought back.

 

Jeremiah 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

Jeremiah 31:2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

Jeremiah 31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Jeremiah 31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

Jeremiah 31:5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

Jeremiah 31:6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.

Jeremiah 31:7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

Jeremiah 31:8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Jeremiah 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Jeremiah 31:11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

Jeremiah 31:12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.

Jeremiah 31:13 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, both young men and old together: for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.

Jeremiah 31:14 And I will satiate the soul of the priests with fatness, and my people shall be satisfied with my goodness, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.

Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.

Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.

Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.

Jeremiah 31:19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

Jeremiah 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:21 Set thee up waymarks, make thee high heaps: set thine heart toward the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of Israel, turn again to these thy cities.

Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

Jeremiah 31:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; As yet they shall use this speech in the land of Judah and in the cities thereof, when I shall bring again their captivity; The LORD bless thee, O habitation of justice, and mountain of holiness.

Jeremiah 31:24 And there shall dwell in Judah itself, and in all the cities thereof together, husbandmen, and they that go forth with flocks.

Jeremiah 31:25 For I have satiated the weary soul, and I have replenished every sorrowful soul.

Jeremiah 31:26 Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.

Jeremiah 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Jeremiah 31:28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.

Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:38 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

Jeremiah 31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.

Jeremiah 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.
 

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I'm not so sure that you can limit the millennial kingdom to just Israelis.

Hi other one

 

 Ezekiel 37:11   Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

 

Israel were cut off, not the gentiles.

There will be gentiles existing, but only survivors.  None coming back from the grave.  They would live outside the kingdom.

God promised he would bring Israel back.


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There is nothing in scripture stating the dead will come back to life to rule during Christ 1000 year reign. What is being spoken of in Ezekiel 37 is the spiritual nature of the Jewish people, spiritually dead. I think you are trying to make this fit into the millennium, which it doess not.

Hi One Light.

 

Thank you for your response.  Yes it does sound like a fairy tale, but to the unbelievers, the whole bible does. 

When we are searching for truth, we start at a certain point.  The gospels are clear the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the coming, but then we get to rev, and read about Christ ruling with his saints for a thousand years.  So we get inquisitive, who are they ruling over?

 

Hebrews 8:8   For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:10   For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

Israel the nation did not accept this new covenant.  Instead they persecuted their Messiah, and the apostles, etc.  To this day they do not acknowlege Jesus Christ as the Son of God.  (I know there are a few that do, but I'm speaking of the nation)

So when will God make this new covenant with them?  In Rev they are trodden on by the gentiles for 3 1/2 years, all leading to Armageddon,..the end, so it can't be before the coming.  It must happen after the coming, during the millennium.  God always keeps his promise.

 

We could say, yeah this symbolises the dead coming back to God,  but we can also look at who God was speaking of.  It is clear it is Israel.  So far they have not come back to God,

and we could say, yeah this is the resurrection, but look at the scriptures carefully and we can see it's talking about flesh.  No one is resurrected in the flesh.  These are however. 

 

Ezekiel 37:7   So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Ezekiel 37:8   And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Ezekiel 37:9   Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

 

I just think there's a piece of the puzzle here that seems to fit, and I'm excited to see if any others can see the same thing or not.


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