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I was given a prophetic word by God about 15 years ago, when I was just a babe in Christ. When He first showed me, I kind of froze. He was sending me to the church with this word and I know full well what the church does with prophets.

 

I decided to wait for God to back up His word with scripture. I knew it came from Him, but others would doubt (as they should), and I also knew I'd have to have scriptures at the ready to defend His word.  I continued to wait for the Holy Spirit to give me scriptures but I've yet to be given even one that says exactly what He showed me, just bits and pieces of scriptures that do back it up, but could easily be argued against. I'm not a bible scholar nor a prophecy scholar;I just know what He showed me. I trust He'll give me His scriptures when the time comes. Plus, He's already begun to fulfill this prophecy in my life and I see it happening in the body as well.

 

But, I have spoken about it a few times to individuals, and no one really seemed to listen. It didn't prick their hearts at all. It hasn't actually pricked anyone's heart to tell the truth. I've never once doubted God's word to me. If anything, people's lack of response only confirms His word, which saddens me greatly. The last person I spoke to about it responded with, "That's awfully frightening. I'm not sure that's from God."  I told her to take it to God and ask Him to verify it. It's His word, and He'll confirm it.  She then rejected His word outright and said, "If you want people to respect what you're saying, you need to get into a church, let people get to know you, then, when they respect you, they'll listen to what you're saying." 

 

I could only stand before her in shock:  I didn't say it. God did. It's not for my benefit; it's for yours. He's warning you and you aren't listening.

 

I didn't understand.  Is this why people aren't hearing Him? The Holy Spirit said:

 

Matthew 13:54-57 "Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked.“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.”

 

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John 5:43-44 "I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?"

 

I want to share His word.  He's sending it to prepare people and to comfort them.  I expected to be challenged scripturally.  I didn't expect this.  How do I get people to stop seeing me and hear Christ instead?

 

 


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What is the word you want to share?


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I suppose that question I asked was not all that helpful. 

 

It seems to me that the job of a prophet is to tell people. Let the Lord convince. You seem to be worried about convincing folks. Just say what you feel the Lord has to say. Let the people believe or not, or compare to the scriptures or not, as they are led to.


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Well Ezekiel ran around naked and barefoot for three years to get people's attention....


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stormy. I for one want to hear what the Lord showed you, and I am surely not the only one. If it is an end-time warning then we NEED to hear it.  The prophets spoke out what ever the Lord gave them knowing they would face rejection, disbelief and persecution, but they were obedient to the call. There ARE false prophets  in the world, and some may  put that label upon you - but whatever the reaction, you need to be obedient to your Lord and leave the results to Him. If you have a word from Him,  the Spirit will witness it's veracity to those who belong to the Lord.


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Well Ezekiel ran around naked and barefoot for three years to get people's attention....

:mgcheerful:  That would get their attention...although, I think I'll keep my clothes on and just use Ezekiel as an example if I get told I have to earn people's respect before they listen to God :mgcheerful:  Thanks Other One!
 

I'm not too worried about convincing people. I do trust God for that. He said those who have ears to hear will hear.  It just leaves me sorrowful when I realize they haven't even listened because they are looking at me and not God.  God's speaking to them and they're missing Him.  When I say "listen" I don't mean they believe me. I mean they just take it in, take it to God, pray about it, research it, etc.

 

I was prepared to be rejected. I've read enough of the prophets to have expected that, although its a lot worse in person (and I haven't been rejected anything like the prophets were.) I never expected God to be rejected though. I expected them to want scriptural verification (which is needed) and, of course, the fulfillment of His word, so I've done my best to prepare for that.  It was such a shock then to be told I have to earn people's respect before they'll listen.  I guess I'm just trying to understand why she brought me into it. It's not about respecting me. It's not about me at all. How do I take "me" out of the picture and keep me out?

 

As for His actual word, I'd prefer to start another thread with that topic so it doesn't get confused with this one.


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Would I start that thread here or in another place?


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I would suppose that 'Prophecy'  would be the  right place, and, as you suggest, a  new thread..


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Are you a member of a church, and do you have a prophetic elder/mentor whom you are accountable to?

The church cannot have people who are roaming around willy-nilly claiming prophetic words for people.

It can be dangerous to the church, and highly dangerous to the recipient of the 'prophetic word of God'

There needs to be structure and accountability.


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Are you a member of a church, and do you have a prophetic elder/mentor whom you are accountable to?

The church cannot have people who are roaming around willy-nilly claiming prophetic words for people.

It can be dangerous to the church, and highly dangerous to the recipient of the 'prophetic word of God'

There needs to be structure and accountability.

Elijah walked alone;John the baptist walked alone?

I say its the other way. Churches have become a stumbling block to the sheep.

This is the reason why there are 3--4000 of them. Hold on to the scriptures.

 

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

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Elijah walked alone;John the baptist walked alone?

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No. I don't have a church, and no, I don't have a mentor.  It's not for lack of trying though or desire. I've never had a teacher of any kind. If I wanted to know anything, I had to teach myself.  God seems to want it that way for me, too. 

 

I studied with Him and just Him for two years, reading only the bible and letting His Holy Spirit interpret it. I'm now pushed away by other Christians at church, and in my daily life, because, and I quote, "you know more of the bible than I do." Except I don't. I can't quote any verse perfectly, I can't remember where anything is in the bible, I can't keep my prophets straight or the Kings, and I can never remember which disciple said what or in what book. I just read it, eat it, and let the Holy Spirit do His work. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would give us the words when we needed them, and in me, He's doing just that.  I'd actually like to team up with a bible scholar so they can keep me from misquoting His word and can tell me instantly where to find what I'm talking about. 

 

I'm a loner and always have been. I don't know who or what I am in Christ, but God does.  He's the only one I ask anymore.  I've asked Him about joining and belonging.  He told me I just need to be where He needs me to be when He needs me to be there.  I asked Him about going to church and He told me I wasn't there to get fed, but to feed others. In other words, I'm HIS servant. HE is my Shepard.

 

I don't run around claiming prophetic words for people. God is hard pressed to get me to open my mouth at all. I'd prefer to be liked by people, not looked at strangely or treated as a mental patient. I'd rather sit in the back listening to sermons, thinking deep thoughts, or have a rousing theological research and discussion session. I'd rather be invited to bible studies instead of being made to feel unwelcome at them. And I'd rather be comforting people with God's word instead of rousing up suspicion, envy or mockery.

 

There's also what Isaiah said:

Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

 

I can't say anything as God reveals it to me. Messages get lost in the translation. I'd rather God tell them Himself.

 

Add to that this:

Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Mark 9:42 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

Luke 17:2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

 

Who'd want anyone to stumble in their faith?

 

And finally there's what God said He'd do to the false teachers and false prophets. There are far too many verses to list here, but everyone of them tempers my tongue.

 

I'm a loner, but Jesus doesn't leave me alone.


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Phil 2:12-13

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV

 

We are to work out our own salvation..... 

 

The first century church did not have the Bible so they needed people who were familiar with what ended up in the Bible.  Today what we need is a good handle on the English Language and to take the time to read what those mentors of the first century wrote down.

 

You don't need anyone to tell you what the Bible says, if you just read it and let it speak to you in context and not look to have it validate some preconceived idea.....    which happens here a lot in the past three or four weeks.


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Let the Holy Spirit be your teaher; He you can trust.

 

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Well Ezekiel ran around naked and barefoot for three years to get people's attention....

Isaiah 20 King James Version (KJV)
 
1 In the year that Tartan came unto Ashdod, (when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him,) and fought against Ashdod, and took it;
 
2 At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.
 
3 And the Lord said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;
 
4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

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 How do I get people to stop seeing me and hear Christ instead?

 

You won't, unless God allows it. It was the same way with His OT prophets, the majority didn't listen then either. It was the same with our Lord Jesus at His 1st coming, the majority didn't listen, but because of the miracles they feared Him.

 

If God is using you by The Holy Spirit, you will always find a back up in His Word. If not, then it's not from Him. And you must have 2 or more Scripture witnesses for a matter.

 

The full Wine of God's Word will never be popular with the majority during this world though, so don't go expecting it will be. What is popular is the 'milk' of God's Word, not the "strong meat" (Heb.5). If you are given to witness for Christ, then He will choose whom to and when and how. Rely on that by The Holy Spirit, and not on your own.


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 How do I get people to stop seeing me and hear Christ instead?

 

You won't, unless God allows it. It was the same way with His OT prophets, the majority didn't listen then either. It was the same with our Lord Jesus at His 1st coming, the majority didn't listen, but because of the miracles they feared Him.

 

If God is using you by The Holy Spirit, you will always find a back up in His Word. If not, then it's not from Him. And you must have 2 or more Scripture witnesses for a matter.

 

The full Wine of God's Word will never be popular with the majority during this world though, so don't go expecting it will be. What is popular is the 'milk' of God's Word, not the "strong meat" (Heb.5). If you are given to witness for Christ, then He will choose whom to and when and how. Rely on that by The Holy Spirit, and not on your own.

 

I agree with that Salty....   good thinking.


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Well Ezekiel ran around naked and barefoot for three years to get people's attention....

 

 

Did that work?  I can't remember what happened, for some reason.  :lightbulb2: 


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Well Ezekiel ran around naked and barefoot for three years to get people's attention....

 

 

Did that work?  I can't remember what happened, for some reason.  :lightbulb2: 

 

Well, I had to look it up and it was not Ezekiel, it was Isiah...

 

Isa 20
20:1 In the year that the commander came to Ashdod, when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him and he fought against Ashdod and captured it, 2 at that time the LORD spoke through Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, "Go and loosen the sackcloth from your hips, and take your shoes off your feet." And he did so, going naked and barefoot . 3 And the LORD said, "Even as My servant Isaiah has gone naked and barefoot three years as a sign and token against Egypt and Cush, 4 so the king of Assyria will lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, young and old, naked and barefoot with buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt. 5 "Then they shall be dismayed and ashamed because of Cush their hope and Egypt their boast. 6 "So the inhabitants of this coastland will say in that day, 'Behold, such is our hope, where we fled for help to be delivered from the king of Assyria; and we, how shall we escape?'"
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It seems that because he went three years naked and barefoot, the king of Assyria led the captives barefoot with their buttocks uncovered to put them to shame....

 

I'll probably have nightmares tonight from looking this up......     God telling me to strip off and go tell the Muslims that Allah is really the devil.   That's a vision I don't think I can deal with.....


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