Oh boy, this is going to be good I'm sure. I don't have time right now to read 67 pages of conversation, but I will. Each of the five points (Tulip/Daisy) has been hotly debated for centuries by men far more intelligent than I. I'm attending a 5 point Calvinist seminary and I am struggling with the theology. I told one of my professors that I dare not fight his positions, but much study is ahead for me before I can reach conclusions. Bible verses seemingly point in more than one direction. Verses that seem to clearly support God's predetermination of man, and some that seem to support giving man some free will. This "debate" has caused me problems because it alters how you look at God. Some have told me that the doctrine of election gives them great comfort that God picked them out for salvation. But I would counter with, "how do you know that you were selected?". What if there were people that had an interest in spiritual things (certainly true with all the interest in world wide religions), attended church, prayed, read their bible, but were not of the elect? What it they believed they were saved? We would say they were deluded, but then....might you also be? Anyway, I'm no where near ready to take sides on the issue, but I did have a possibly very ignorant thought. My Systematic Theology professor stated that there are five possibilities:
1. God could provide no opportunity for salvation
2. God could provide the opportunity for salvation for ALL
3. God could provide the opportunity for salvation for SOME
4. God could ensure the salvation for ALL
5. God could ensure the salvation for SOME
Of course number one is what we deserve, but do not believe.
Number two and/or number three is the Arminian position, which I'm not sure yet
Number four is the Universalist position
Number five is the Calvinist position
What I have wondered is, could the Bible support number two/three and number five being equally correct? I have this sense that we are almost boxing God in, requiring Him to fit into what it is that our minds can wrap around. Could God be more multi-faceted than we could ever understand?
I'm only trying to remain as open minded as I possibly can while sorting things out in my mind and seeking answers in scripture. Before I became a Christian, I had no concern for lost people, poor people, abused people. Christ changed me into someone that cares about the lives of those around me and all over the world. I personally desire everyone would come to Christ for salvation. Where do I get that desire from if not from my Lord?
Edited by Patrick6099, 15 December 2013 - 04:46 AM.