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Why I assume the Rapture will follow the Great Tribulation

 

oblogani.gif The Post-trib position in a nutshell compared with the Bible
A short Bible study on a topic that some want to make way too complicated - Omegaman
Post-Trib Belief What the Bible (NASB) Says

The software here makes formatting difficult. There is an easier to read version if you prefer

July 28th, 2014 - Omegaman 3.0

 

There will be a time of trouble Jesus called birth pangs

You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.7“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8“But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Followed by persecution, even to death, a time of tribulation 9“Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. There will be a sign 15“Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 

Then the tribulation will be great, but it will be limited

21“For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22“Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. After the tribulation, Jesus will come visibly in the sky 29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. He then will send angels to gather His elect 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. In Jesus time, only the Father knew the exact time of Jesus visible return 36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. But it will be like the days of Noah, when calamity overtook the surprised unbelievers 37“For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38“For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Believers should also be ready for His return, though they do not know the exact time. 42“Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 44“For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

The Bible, to prevent deception. tells us the order of the events:

3As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you."

Every verse listed so far, was from the 24th Chapter of the book of Matthew. You have just read them yourself, exactly as they are in the bible, and in the same order, so you can see for yourself, what Jesus said about these things.As you can see, He did not use figurative or symbolic language, he was very clear, and used lots of words which indicat time sequences, words like "then" and "at that time". There is no need to spin Jesus' words or make unwarranted assumptions, as many are tempted to do.
Let's look at some more info from the apostles Paul and from John 

There will be a time when Jesus catches up (raptures) His church.


From 1 Thess chapter 4

Notice again the sequence: The Lord descends from Heaven, a shout, and angel, a trumpet, and those who have died in Christ rise, Then the living Christian join them in the air.


13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 

Like Jesus before him, Paul also said there was a sign to look for, a sigh that would appear before our gathering to Him in the rapture. Beleivers are to look for this man, and by that will now that the 2nd coming of Jesus, is then imminent.

2 Thess 2

1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 

Jesus will come like a thief on unbelievers, but watchful Christians will know that He is about to come.

1 Thess 5

1Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober. 

Since we know that the dead in Christ rise first, followed by the rapture (vs 16 & 17 of 1 Thess 4) of the living believers, if we only knew if that resurrection was before or after the tribulation, we could understand if the rapture was before or after the tribulation. Believers who die in the tribulation, for their testimony of Jesus, come to life in the first resurrection, to be followed by the rapture (1 Thess 4:17) rapture.

4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.) This is the first resurrection. 

This has been a summary of the Post Tribulation Rapture viewpoint, also known as Historic Premillenialism, along with some scripture passages which can be said to support this understanding. There were assertions, and there were supporting verses and passages, without inserting things like an invisible, secret coming (is there even one verse that says that? If so, I have never seen it), and idea that has become popular in modern times.

I tried to keep this faithful to scripture, I tried to make it simple and clear. Jesus and Paul warned about deceptions to come, I take those warning seriously. Paul had this to say as well:

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. 2 Tim 4

I will end with this thought from the book of Acts:

19“Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

Some versions render that as "He must remain in heaven until the time"

Personally, I find all these verses harmonize perfectly well with each other, and I beleive the Post-Trib rapture position, is consistant with them as well. I hope you found this helpful and informative
 



(Reply to a question - question asker asked for question to be deleted - but ok to leave answer if name not mentioned)

Your reply touches on something that is always an issue, the idea of interpretation. I have no idea if I am right or I am wrong, I believe I am right of course, otherwise I would change my view, lol.

However, where I think my understanding and belief is different from many, is that I try not to interpret at all, I just read, and try to understand. If you read my post, and I assume you did, you will have noticed that I did two things - I stated aspects of the doctrine which I accept, and then I stated the scripture that appears to support those points. 

You will have noticed that what I did not do was things like:

"You see where it says 'elect', that is the Jews!" or:

"See where it says the restrainer?" - that is the Holy Spirit:

Those sorts of things, are interpretations, I just pointed out scripture and let it speak for itself.

The things that are usually used to demonstrate a pre-tribulation rapture, are interpretations at best, usually they are arguments from silence, or assumed inferences not warranted by the text.

For example, all of the ways people try to see a sudden, secret, any moment visit by Jesus, well, it is just odd, since the text never says any such thing. While I know people do not intend harm, it strikes me as dishonest to treat scripture so carelessly.

Of course, I just stepped on millions of toes with that statement, but it frustrates me that people cannot see the difference between their assumptions and what the Bible actually says, and does not say.

In my post I didn't even mention all the evidences that demonstrate the errors of pre-trib assumptions, I just tried to give positive evidence for a post trib position, and I did not have to assume or twist anything to do that - just posted scripture. I could still be in error for my understanding, but I do not think my understanding is unreasonable, and I expect that many others might notice that. My main point in my reply, that I would like you to take away, is that stating scripture, is not an interpretation, it is just stating scripture. I pointed out how, those scriptures might represent what I have come to believe. If the difference is not obvious, then I just wasted my time, but it will not be the first time I have done that.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and respond.

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I disagree mega, but it's all good. You're still my brother in Christ and no one gets to call you a "heretic" for seeing this the way you do.

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4 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

If that is the way you see it playing out then that is your perspective. Time will tell huh?

Surely time will. I am suspicious though, that God did not put so much information about it in the Bible, just to keep us guessing. I think He put things there, for people to know, and understand, that need to know, and understand. Maybe that is not us! It is possible, that of all the possible ways that it could play out, that we have yet to hear the correct one.

One thing that I believe, sets what I wrote apart from what some write, is that every point I made in the post, has scripture posted with it, that needed nothing added to it. No secret or invisible raptures, that the Bible does not specify. No assumptions about who the restrainer is. No asserting that His return is imminent, it a way the Bible does not indicate, and no confusion about whether the tribulation is equal to the wrath of God etc. Things like that, things assumed but not explicit, are reasons why I reject most views.

For me in boils down to being uncertain, but putting less confidence in views that have more problems with plain, unadulterated scripture.

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3 hours ago, RobertS said:

I disagree mega, but it's all good. You're still my brother in Christ and no one gets to call you a "heretic" for seeing this the way you do.

Thank you Robert,for your gracious attitude. Being called a heretic, well, it wouldn't be the first time. Being heretics, is what we need to avoid! On topics like this, if someone calls you a heretic, I figure likely there are two possible reasons.

One, they have no clue what a heretic is or

two, they have run out of intelligent responses.

It's all good, thanks for commenting!

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5 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Surely time will. I am suspicious though, that God did not put so much information about it in the Bible, just to keep us guessing. I think He put things there, for people to know, and understand, that need to know, and understand. Maybe that is not us! It is possible, that of all the possible ways that it could play out, that we have yet to hear the correct one.

One thing that I believe, sets what I wrote apart from what some write, is that every point I made in the post, has scripture posted with it, that needed nothing added to it. No secret or invisible raptures, that the Bible does not specify. No assumptions about who the restrainer is. No asserting that His return is imminent, it a way the Bible does not indicate, and no confusion about whether the tribulation is equal to the wrath of God etc. Things like that, things assumed but not explicit, are reasons why I reject most views.

For me in boils down to being uncertain, but putting less confidence in views that have more problems with plain, unadulterated scripture.

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You are right. God did not tell us how it will play out. I am ok with pre,mid and post trib. I am not ok with the  preterist view.

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Just now, bopeep1909 said:

You are right. God did not tell us how it will play out. I am ok with pre,mid and post trib. I am not ok with the  preterist view.

I also am very uneasy with the preterist view, however, may pastor is what he calls an Amillenial Preterest, and as much as I would have bet that I would find the position untenable, he makes it sound pretty reasonable. I hold my views pretty confidently, but, I grip them lightly, knowing that I am not infallible.

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6 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I also am very uneasy with the preterist view, however, may pastor is what he calls an Amillenial Preterest, and as much as I would have bet that I would find the position untenable, he makes it sound pretty reasonable. I hold my views pretty confidently, but, I grip them lightly, knowing that I am not infallible.

I am also not comfortable with the Amillennial view.They just tear the book of Revelation apart. I think that is dangerous.

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The Rapture of the Church will happen before the Tribulation for these very reasons

 

The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape.

The Rapture of the church should never be confused with the second coming or second advent  of Christ, for He does not come to the earth at that time.

The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.


 Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Tribulation. Dan. 9:24-27.

The Tribulation will begin to affect Israel before the seventieth week begins. And when the Antichrist rises at the beginning of the Week, Israel will be undergoing persecution by the whore and the ten kings of Revised Rome who are dominated by the whore until the middle of the week. The Antichrist will make a seven years covenant with Israel assuring them protection in their continued establishment as a nation, Dan. 9:27.

The Jews will not accept Catholicism when it again dominates the nations of the old world and begins to murder all heretics as it has done in the past. Because Jews will not submit, there will be a widespread persecution of the Jews and “theywill be hated of all nations” during the time of “the beginning of sorrows” when the Antichrist will be endeavoring to conquer all these nations, Matt. 24:4-12.

Antichrist will need Jewish moral and financial support to help him rise over these nations, so he will make an alliance with them for seven years. Therefore, the time of the Tribulation is during the whole of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, Dan. 9:27. It will end at the second Advent, Matt. 24:29-31.

 

Scripture also states that Satan knows that he has but a short time.

Revelation 12:12,Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Taking in the fact that we and Satan live in eternity future, Satan knew he had but a short time the day he rebelled against the Father, and the fact the Jesus defeated him by His death and resurrection. Any length of time cut from a life to be lived in eternity, no matter when this occurs will be but a short time.

The disciples asked Jesus when will this all occur?

Mark 13:4, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

5, And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

6, For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

   

7, And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

   

8, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

9, But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

    10, And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

All these things so far at one time or another have been happening since Jesus returned to Heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to keep us and guide us. The only thing I can see that has not yet occurred is the fact the gospel has not yet been preached among all nations.

There have been tribes found deep in South America, Papua New Guinea, and other parts of the Earth that have not yet even heard of God, the gospel, or Jesus.

 

 

 

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On 7/7/2016 at 6:13 PM, HAZARD said:

The Rapture of the Church will happen before the Tribulation for these very reasons

 

The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape.

and blah blah blah

Not trying to be disrespectful, as if you had nothing to say, just pointing out that there is way too much to address. This is a blog, hazard, not a normal thread. As egotisical as it may sound, that means it is about what I think, not really a sounding board of soapbox for how much you disagree with what I think.

You can start a thread on the topic in the forums, or you can respond to existing topics, you can even start your own blog.

However, I would suggest that if you want to make a scriptural case for your opinion, you might want to start with some scriptural facts. Here, you started the defense of your position with:

"The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes . . ."

If it is true, that the purpose of the rapture is 'such and such', then maybe you should consider showing a verse that states what the purpose is. Without a passage of scripture, a statement like "the purpose  is" is just your thought, not a biblical position.

If I say:

"The purpose of the 2016 U.S. presidential elections, is to boost Hillary Clinton into a position power to become a world dictator!"

Does that statement have credibility, just because I said it? While no one has discredited anything I have said, that does not mean that I am infallible. I suspect that maybe not everyone is convinced that you are infallible either, so perhaps, use the scripture as the authority, and derive your thesis from that. Then comment on the basis of scripture and let other think for themselves, about what the purpose is, or even if knowing the purpose, is important. Just a thought!

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Following is a post, intercepted an modified by Omegaman, hoping to drive a point home. Hazard said:

Like you said, Not trying to be disrespectful, and blah blah blah

That there has been one already and will be four more raptures in the first resurrection?

First, the going to Heaven of Christ . . . .

My edit: SNIP!!!

*************LOTS OF WORDS REMOVED*********************

Hazard continued:

At the second coming, the saints are not raptured, and neither is Christ, but both will come back to the Earth together. The rapture takes place before the Tribulation, whereas the second Advent takes place after the Tribulation. The Rapture could occur at any time, whereas the second Advent cannot occur until after the tribulation.

Omegaman continueing his edit:

and now, back to your regularly scheduled program! 

Sorry Hazard, but you did not seem to get the message last time. This is not a discussion forum, this is a Blog. Here, I am a dictator, here, is about what I think. You are free to post what you want in the regular forum area (subject to the terms of service of course). You are also free to pontificate in YOUR  blog, but I limit that here.

What I do not think you understand is that this is a blog, and as a blog, the topic is not what I am speaking to, it is actually about  my thoughts. Think of it like this. There are talk shows, were there are panels of people talking, like that horrible one on TV in the morning with all the women sitting around a table. There are radio talk shows, where people call in, and the host interacts with them about what they want to talk about. Then there are talk shows, like the Rush Limbaugh program, where he and his thoughts are the topic. The program is not about random topics or topics lead by others, the program is really about HIS thoughts.

That is what a blog is like, it is not a dialogue, it is a monologue by the blogger, and he/she may entertain comments from guests, but it is not for letting guests just take over and run with it. Guests who have much to say, need to start their own blogs and say what they choose to say, and exercise control over the content. Optionally, they can say all they want to say, in the areas of the forum set aside to that purpose.

In short, you will not be allowed to expound freely here. After this, you may not want to remark at all, but if you want to make it about your opinion, that is not going to happen, you will just find your access restricted.

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Sorry, I thought this was about the rapture, not realising it was a blog and thought you would be interested I what the Bible has to say about the rapture, nothing more? Don't worry Adolph, I wont respond to anything you post ever again, anywhere on this board!

No wonder people get frustrated about religion and let go of God!

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On 9/20/2016 at 9:31 PM, HAZARD said:

Sorry, I thought this was about the rapture, not realising it was a blog and thought you would be interested I what the Bible has to say about the rapture, nothing more? Don't worry Adolph, I wont respond to anything you post ever again, anywhere on this board!

No wonder people get frustrated about religion and let go of God!

Well, do as you like, I am interested in the topic, and I entertain and respond to views of others on the forums all the time.

I can certainly understand why you did not realize that it was a blog, since it merely says "A Blog, by Omegaman 3.0" right at the top of the page, so why would you assume that it was actually a blog by Omegaman 3.0?

People, however, to not get frustrated about religion, and let go of God. The appear to turn away from God, when they consciously decide to go their own way, and in their pride, rebel against Him.

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While I find your opinions fascinating I also don't agree with you. I think God would not be so cruel for one thing to make those who believe in him go through the Tribulation .

I was thinking of posting my blog here but not so sure now if people are going to argue ...though I see a majority of these are theological

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On 10/2/2016 at 4:35 AM, Holly Hobbie said:

While I find your opinions fascinating I also don't agree with you. I think God would not be so cruel for one thing to make those who believe in him go through the Tribulation .

I attended a dinner event once, where the pastor I had at the time, was the scheduled speaker. One of the things he said Holly, was: "I know all of the arguments for the pre, mid, and post-trib rapture theories. What always brings me to conclude, that the pre-trib view is correct, is the character of God. God would not allow His people to suffer like that!"

Though I did not say anything to him about his conclusion, my thought was "I wonder if he is reading the same Bible that I am." The Bible I read, has God allowing a very righteous man, Job, to suffer at the hands of Satan, not becuase Job deserved it, and not because God did not love Job. In fact, God had just bragged on what  righteous man Job was, saying: "There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

Clearly then it IS within Gods character to allow His people to suffer.

Similarly, the old testament prophets, were often persectuted, suffered, and even killed. According to tradition, all of the Apostles with the exception of John, died martyr's deaths. The church, from the very beginning, and up tp the present day, continues to suffer persection and death.

God certainly allows suffering and tribulation, for those who believe in Him, unless the Bible and history, are both wrong. One can believe that "God would not be so cruel to make those who believe in him go through the Tribulation".

However, here is where I disagree with your statement. I do not believe that God MAKES believers suffer in these circumstances. I believe that He ALLOWS it. I also think that He has reasons for this. Do you recall that the disciples asked Jesus:

"Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

Jesus told the that it was not because of anyone's sin, that he was born blind, but that his blindness, was for God's glory. When a believer suffers, it can be for God's glory. Beleivers are told, in th New Testament, some some will suffer and die. We are to expect trouble. In fact we are even told in 2 Tim 3:

You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 

Jesus said (Matt 5):

 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. “Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

So, let me ask this:

Is it cruel of God, to give eternal blessings to those of us (you and I) who deserve to suffer in Hell, eternal blessings in eternity? I think that is awesome. When we are focusing on the temporal things, like suffering in this life, we are losing our perspective of what really matters - eternal life, the Kingdom of God. 

I would also have you ponder the significance of what you are saying. If it turns out, that the church goes through the tribulation, then you will have turned out to have called God cruel. I don't think I would go there. I believe that many people believe it is cruel to have people go to Hell. I do not see it as cruel. I see it as justice. I see that God is sovereign and He can do what He chooses with His creation, and be totally right, good, and even loving, when He does so.

Some people think of a promise in the Bible which says:

"For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath"

I totally agree with that. God's wrath is what I just spoke to, the eternal suffering in Hell that unbeleivers will go through. When people quote the "not appointed to wrath" verse, they often leave of the second part of that verse, what we ARE appointed to:

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So as I see it, Paul tells us in Romans 5:

Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

So, if we do not go through suffering, we are being deprived of preseverance, character, and hope. Suffering, percescution, tribulation etc, are GOOD for the church. It purifies us, it glorifies God, it stores up extra rewards for us in Heaven.

I do not see much of a eternal or spiritual downside here. Sure, it is not pleasant at the time, but life fades:

 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 

For,

“All people are like grass,

and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;

the grass withers and the flowers fall,

but the word of the Lord endures forever.”

And this is the word that was preached to you.

1 Pet, chapter 1

The tribulation holds a lot of fear for those focused on the natural. We (Christians) however, look to the supernatural, and see that tribulation can be a good thing.

John 16:

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me you might have peace. In the world youe shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Be blessed Holly, thanks for commenting on my blog.

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I agree with the Post Trib Belief. I always felt alone in this belief. 

But when it comes to the Lord. I do not mind being in the Minority.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the Worst. 

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On 6/12/2017 at 1:43 PM, nickn said:

I agree with the Post Trib Belief. I always felt alone in this belief. 

But when it comes to the Lord. I do not mind being in the Minority.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the Worst. 

Yeah, don't worry about numbers, truth is not a popularity contest! Actually there are a fair number of posties here at Worthy, though there are indeed a lot of premies to be sure. I initially felt like I was in the minority here, when I started here in 2004. What I find encouraging though, is that the arguments of pre-trib believers against post-trib arguments, not only fail to undermine post-trib theory, but often serve to demonstrate how weak the pre-trib position is.

No matter how it all shakes out, we need to be ready, be good stewards, and be willing to live out events and the will of God no matter what it costs us, we (believers) all win in the end, no matter how we understand these things, and in the end, we will all agree!

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Luke 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

To escape what things? The things which will occur during the tribulation.

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On 7/4/2016 at 9:51 PM, Omegaman 3.0 said:

...I am suspicious though, that God did not put so much information about it in the Bible, just to keep us guessing. I think He put things there, for people to know, and understand, that need to know, and understand. Maybe that is not us! It is possible, that of all the possible ways that it could play out, that we have yet to hear the correct one.

Dan. 12:10 ...none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD does nothing,
Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

He has promised to reveal "the correct one [understanding]," as you put it -- just as He always has.

 

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