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  2. missmuffet

    post something random

    God is in control of this world and that would be Christians and unbelievers. God doesn't always cause suffering but He allows it for His glory. From the time of Adam and Eve there has been sin. Satan can also cause suffering but not without God's permission. It all comes down to Romans 8:28. When bad things happen Christians need to be on their knees in prayer. And perhaps it will bring an unbeliever to Christ.
  3. After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of [all] tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels were standing round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they? 14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. There will be a big revival during the Tribulation but those new born again Christians will be persecuted and killed and are standing around the throne of God , today is the day of Salvation . God is still saving people and in countries like Iran is there is revival right now!
  4. DonkeySpeaksAgain

    Mid Trib rapture anyone?

    I have been over this many times, and NO ONE has been able to prove a 7 year tribulation. The idea stems from a false interpretation of the 70th week of Daniel. Small details will trip up anyone trying to make sense of Revelation in the context of a 7 year tribulation. When you understand that there are ONLY 3.5 years left of the 70th week, then Revelation (and ALL other prophecy books in the Bible) will finally make sense. The so-called mid-trib is actually pre-trib and pre-wrath then becomes mid-trib and post-trib is well they may as well be Amillennialists. First, you already know that Jewish literature doesn't always flow chronologically. They will often state the general first, and then go into the specifics afterward. A case in point is... Genesis 1:1-13 (KJV) The first verse is merely a synopsis of what is to follow, and verses 6-8 and verses 9-10 go into the details of how this was accomplished. This also happens in Matt. 24 (prophecy revealed by Jesus) - He outlines out to the end first, then goes back and inserts details about the AoD and start of the Church Age before reaching the rapture, tribulation and 2nd coming. The same thing happens in... Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV) 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it DESOLATE, even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. All those "ands" connect everything associated with the 70th week which begins in verse 26 (AFTER the 69th week ends). Verse 27 is NOT a separate sentence, but rather a continuation of verse 26. Gabriel first stated the synopsis for the whole passage in verse 24; then, he went into more detail in verses 25-27. However, it happened again in 25-27: First, he stated the synopsis in verses 25-26 (which are the details for verse 24), and then, he went into more detail in 27. He made the statement, "after 62 Sevens shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself," and then showed how that would happen in verse 27. IF the final Seven begins immediately after the end point of the 62 Sevens, as we assume the 62 Sevens did right after the first 7 Sevens, then the Messiah's death would be WITHIN the final Seven. Removing the cross to a point OUTSIDE of the "determined" 70 weeks would mean the cross cannot be used as part of its fulfillment. This is the one point everyone just seems to think is totally irrelevant. How can the 6 purposes for the 70 weeks be fulfilled without the cross? Now, the "prince that shall come" CANNOT be the "antichrist." Here's why: In English, we know that the object of the preposition cannot participate in the sentence as a subject or an object in the main thought of the sentence. Since it is not the subject of the sentence, then it cannot be the antecedent of the word "he." Now, if the "he" was part of the prepositional phrase in which the object of the preposition resides, THEN it could be its antecedent. The same thing is basically true in Hebrew: In Hebrew, there is a construct called a "noun construct state" in which two nouns sitting back to back affect one another. The second noun modifies the first noun, but the first noun can be the subject or object in the sentence. The second noun cannot participate in the sentence's main structure. The Hebrew of verses 26 and 27 (transliterated) is this: Dani'el 9:26-27 Masoretic Text as found in PC Study Bible 26 V’’achareey hashaavu`iym shishiym uwshnayim yikaareet Maashiyach v’’eeyn low v’haa`iyr v’haqodesh yashchiyt `am naagiyd habaa’ v’qitsow vasheTef v’`ad qeets milchaamaah nech’retset shomeemowt: 27 V’higbiyr b’riyt laarabiym shaavuwa` ‘echaad vach’tsiy hashaavuwa` yashbiyt zevach uwminchah v’`al k’naf shiquwtsiym m’shomeem v’`ad-kaalaah v’nech’raatsaah titakh `al-shomeem: The "`am naagiyd" are the two nouns back to back, and they translate to "[the] people of [the] prince." The first word "`am" ("people") can be a subject or an object in the sentence, but NOT "naagiyd!" The sentence technically doesn't end in verse 26 but continues through verse 27. There are no nouns attached to the verbs in verse 27; therefore, the word "he" is supplied THREE TIMES in verse 27. To find the subject for the verbs, which would technically be the "antecedent" for the pronoun "he" in verse 27, one must go back to verse 26 to the word "Maashiyach." Thus, it is the "Maashiyach" or "Messiah" who performs the verbs in verse 27: 27 And the Messiah shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week the sacrifice and the oblation are given cause to cease, but for the continued abominations it shall become DESOLATE, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. It's not the "anti-messiah"; it's the Messiah HIMSELF who confirms the (Davidic) covenant; it's the Messiah HIMSELF who "causes the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (see Hebrews 10), and it's the Messiah HIMSELF who makes the city (and Daniel's people) desolate! Now are ready to go into the calculations for the end of the 69th week/ start of the 70th week? Hint: it occurs at the baptism NOT the cross.
  5. HAZARD

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    God has at this time has a hand off policy and is allowing non Christians and non Christians do what they like. God does not control free moral agents nor does He condone the killing of innocent babies and such things.
  6. What i know is darkness will get darker and those in Christ will continue to shine brighter and brighter. I have heard nothing from The Almighty about revival or judgment. its quite a lengthy video but the harbinger has some interesting things to say. you can find various videos on youtube. I have not had confirmation on this video. I have had a couple dreams but can not say if its judgment or God just shaking things. I also know what ever comes is going to be to better the church. even those in lamentations showed hope thru prayer close to the end of that book. the main thing is not to be afraid of whats coming. God is for us. He will help us. He will give us the words to speak if needed. its our place to stay faithful to Him and not turn our backs to Him or go our own way. we must not let our love grow cold. we must remain unspotted from the world. In Christ is where we will find every thing, every tool, every ability to do this. we must draw near to Him now. live ready. Never will i leave you, Never will I forsake you, He said. what a friend we have in Jesus. we must wait patiently for our hope.
  7. There is a hardening of the people of America. Look at the media. Look at the schools. I don't see any revival for this country. Just a few here and there will come to a knowledge of the truth. I believe the USA will be destroyed in a war at some future time. Let us live for christ.
  8. pinacled

    Holding Fast To Sound Doctrine

    Lean and cling to the promised garment. Listen for the bells of the High priest. Focus on the oil and wine of mercy with lovingkindness. A wick is like a scarlet thread hidden in the heart of the wise whom Love the Lord even while being neglected worthy fruits of patience. For those who lean on the Lord. There are a specific number of silver roots to the golden pillars of the mishkan. Rarely spoken of from the heart of those who are in need the spirit is vocal. By the song of night and breath of light a King entered the Holy Place and gave voice to the poor. In giving a portion to 7 and 8 the King sits at the right hand of the Father and shares a wealth of faith to those who seek the kingdom. For those seeking the kingdom. Rember Caleb and Yoshua whose courage extended beyond a certain mountain. Blessings Always
  9. I think the United States is part of the world. The end times affects the entire world.
  10. The_Patriot2019

    Is it just me .... the legacy continues ...

    thankyou for agreeing with me that I am last. perhaps, your not as delusional as noob and the lady who thinks she is a tree!
  11. PromisesPromises!

    Christianity: Happy, Uplifting, or Difficult, Sorrowful?

    Christians have the same blessings, pleasures, trials, and heartaches in life that everyone else does. "...for He makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust" (Matthew 5:45b). But we should handle ourselves differently from non-believers. To me, Christianity is all about continuing to praise God during every storm, not losing sight of where my help comes from, and sharing where my help comes from with others who see what I am going through. It's about not trying to fix problems on my own, continuing to pray for wisdom when things seem hopeless, remembering who I am in Christ in spite of how I may be labeled by others. It's about not whining and complaining and destroying my witness with negativity, but presenting confidence in Christ. Of course, I am not "happy" in hardship. Happiness is circumstantial. But I have joy inside always because Jesus put it there. If I momentarily lose it, I miss it so much that I quickly do something about it--pray, turn to words of encouragement in the Bible, listen to beautiful Christian music, take a walk and meditate on what Jesus has done for me. Because He has overcome, so will I.
  12. missmuffet

    post something random

    God is in control. Nothing happens without His permission. That includes everything. All of life's circumstances.
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  14. The book of Revelation does not mention the United States at all. It is not what I think but what the Bible tells me.
  15. Greetings, Shortangel ... Yes, we are in the latter days, but I believe that those who love God, will never waiver and will stand firm, always abounding in the work of the Lord until He returns. Hallelujah! 2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV) 3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was. 10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
  16. Cletus

    Why Pretrib Logic Fails

    i am not even going to attempt discussing millennial kingdom, at least not in this thread. i will discuss what The Holy Spirit has shown me concerning when we get caught up to be with Him. the MK is not what this thread is about.
  17. pinacled

    United Methodists to Vote on LGBTQ Issues

    [ "So then, the law is holy, and the {commandment} is {holy}, {righteous} and {good}. "] A pillar of strength freely given on Shabbat as command is likened to purity. blessings always.
  18. Da Puppers

    Mid Trib rapture anyone?

    Welcome back (Kotter, lol, ) Spock! Though I hold to a rapture timing very similar to the prewrath position, I would prefer the label as mid-wrath. Not, just to be different, but because I believe the great tribulation has its (future) origins in God's wrath upon Israel, namely Jerusalem, that escalates to a cup of trembling for the whole world, Zech 12-14. Many pre-wrath people stop just short of saying that the rapture happens AT the 6th seal, which explains my similarity in views. But I would like to point out something about the great multitude of Rev 7. The mistake that many make is to assume that white robes equate to having received immortal, eternal bodies. But that is not true. One only has to look at the 5th seal to see otherwise: Verse list: Rev 6:9-11 KJV And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. I think there is little doubt that these are Christian... slain for their testimony. But their petition for revenge is put on hold, and wait for their brethren. We, as Christian individuals, are probably guilty of wronging a fellow brother, but we are still brothers in Christ. God is not going to avenge brotherly faults, while brother dwells among brother, namely because of so many offences. But our revenge will come only after the rapture; *[[2Th 1:6]] KJV* Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; *[[2Th 1:7]] KJV* And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, Their revenge is postponed because their brethren were still dwelling on earth. And yet they were wearing white robes. And so are the great multitude found in Rev 7. White robes are indicative of righteousness... imputed righteousness for those deemed faithful to Christ. These 5th seal martyrs are seen beneath the throne of God, where lies the sea of glass. The overcomers of the beast (Rev 15:2) are also seen standing on this sea of glass, in expectation of receiving a reward (having harps). The multitude of Rev 7 are seen "before the throne" just as those in Rev 15:2. The ones of the 5th seal are seen "under the altar". The sea of glass (Rev 4) is seen as being "before the throne". My point being, that the abode of the righteous prior to receiving their eternal reward, is the sea of glass. As I have already alluded to, the vengeance of the righteous will not begin until the righteous are removed via the rapture. The days of vengeance will come when you find Jerusalem surrounded: Verse list: Luk 21:21-22 KJV Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. So what do we find in Rev 8:1-6? Pouring out/ answering the prayers of the saints. And the sounding of the first trumpet! Blessings The PuP
  19. Cletus

    Why Pretrib Logic Fails

    the bible does indeed clarify the trnity. Father, The Word, And The Holy Ghost... or The Father, The Son, and Holy Spirit. this thread is not the place for that really. it would be nice if pre tribbers could stay on topic, which is why pre trib logic fails. which i have shown over and over in this thread... and here we have whats called misdirection. if you cant prove it you bring up a whole other topic to try and validate it. but it still dont hold water. once the groom comes... the door is shut. no more prayers or intercessory pleas will be heard... do you not understand the model from the OT temple? no one is allowed to enter... the mercy seat is in the holy of holys.
  20. pinacled

    United Methodists to Vote on LGBTQ Issues

    And? That is a typical tact. The enemy may attempt to bolster numbers all they like. Such futility will be dealt with swiftly as they curse Yisrayl. As if the ba'al worshippers gnawing and gnashing voices were of any value. No, Let em mark themselves for the dead all they like. Nothing will change. The Holy House of the Lord of Host will not move. Do you understand?
  21. SelahSong

    My sister

    Our Father, You know all things ...We ask a Perfect healing for Wingnut's sister, according to Your will. We ask in Jesus' Perfect name.
  22. Cletus

    Why Pretrib Logic Fails

    very true. however tribulation saints is not one of them. once the groom comes the door is shut... there is a concept that comes thru. tribulation saints is a teaching of man. there are also concepts that are teachings of man and not found in scripture. like say how the word witness is used. per scripture a witness is a martyr. not someone going to tel someone the good news. so we must be careful with these teachings of man. lets not muddy the waters.
  23. I believe when you consider numbers, there will be a revival of sorts, as the Holy Spirit prepares the elect for the approaching day. As far as the country as a whole, I would say no in regards to the majority. It is pretty clear that morality is being tossed to the side at an alarming rate, even amongst people that most would describe as "good".
  24. angels4u

    Needing Peace

    May I suggest you write the ones you want again down on a piece of paper? I always write them down lol We all forget things....including accounts we had if we don't see them,at least I do..
  25. Hi shortangel, I believe that each major revival brought in a better understanding, (by the Holy Spirit) of some aspect of God`s truth. Obviously there was the false in there as well, for people go to excess. As to another revival, I believe that there will be a quick work by the Holy Spirit across the Body, in the believers lives, but NOT in man`s religious organisations. Marilyn.
  26. wingnut-

    Needing Peace

    Praying
  27. wingnut-

    Right Arm And Back

    Praying
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