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  2. Applying Scripture Literally.

    144k are virgins. Maybe they are from the Lord's hosts since we cannot find many of these on just the earth. This would be an answer to the angelic host that in Gen 6 sinned against all creation by cohabiting with earthly women. Yeshua came to redeem the whole of creation. It would make sense that Yahweh would do it this way.
  3. Disney-the one that has been grooming little children to talk to spirits & have their bf be a dragon.etc..
  4. Applying Scripture Literally.

    I say neither. There are 144,000 and they are from Israel, 12,000 from each tribe. What is their purpose. Rev 12:1 - Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads... v3. and they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And they follow the Lamb where ever He goes. These are offered as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. (First fruits of who or what?) First fruits of Israel. They were sealed sometime before the 2nd Coming, yet they do their work after the 2nd Coming. In Christ Montana Marv
  5. of course it would be jade
  6. The patriot 2016's (every9ne welcome)

    I am taking this one as well
  7. 21st century fox owns fox news channel. Disney already owns abc. You can figure out how the biases will be now. http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html
  8. 21st century fox owns fox news channel. Disney already owns abc. You can figure out how the biases will be now. http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html
  9. My thread (keep out)

    Paul is allowed to be in my thread which this is
  10. The Prophesies of Ezra

    I see Yeshua saying that 'as in the days of Noah', this and that person will be taken. (to death) In Esdras I read that some will also be taken (to destruction) and the ones LEFT are more blessed and will endure hardship. This is in complete opposition to the pre-trib rapture and I am wondering if the church has been doing what Yeshuah warned against saying: 'Many will come In My Name' (the church) and say this and that and deceive multitudes.
  11. I am starting this thread with no idea where it would lead to but I have decided to write down these thoughts because I think it will could be interesting to someone and I myself would like to hear some ideas. Forgive me if this is a bit long. As a Christian, I am thinking about my understanding of scripture. Some background: I have been a Christian since October 2000. I grew up in a Christian family and have been in church nearly all my life. My dad is a theologian and a preacher. My mother is a teacher and so I come from a strongly academic family which also includes theological He is in the Dutch Reformed Church. I was also in that church until I was about 12 or 13. After that I have been mostly in charismatic churches. There is a lot more to this and various complication in my family and home life that come into this but I think this should be enough for now. The basic questions I have are these: How do I know what to believe? How can I be sure that a certain view is correct or not? Who do I trust to give me the truth? and How do I see the truth of scripture connect to the natural world and my real lived experience? As you can see, these are questions that have been asked by many people and there is probably no final answers to them, Now I want to expand on a few things and add some thoughts. They are just my ideas and could be right or wrong but they are sincerely meant and not aimed at anyone. I think I always believed that there must be a God. Even from a young age it just made sense to me. Many people argue that people are Christians mostly because they have been brought up that way. Yet I am quite sure that I would have become a Christian anyway even if I had not been in such a household. I have had doubts and there have been moments where I really questioned God's existence. But I could just never shake off the feeling deep down that there must be a Creator. I allowed myself many times to look at my faith as a Christian and ask myself whether, objectively, my faith was reasonable considering what I know right now. And every time I asked this it led me back to Jesus eventually. Of course, I think my objectivity is compromised, because I find Christianity attractive and want it to be true. That is just honestly my dilemma. Now let me assure you, I believe the Bible is true. I am just asking myself how this faith works practically. What is it about Christianity that makes it believable. In a way, this goes right into the idea of knowledge. What can we know? How do we know something? Is personal experience of something necessary for knowledge? After all, everybody and anybody could be wrong about just about anything. Or they could be deliberately deceiving me. To illustrate my issue let me mention this example of how we can be wrong about things: for many years I have played Monopoly. Recently I learned that I had been playing the game wrong all these years and that the rule we were breaking would have changed the whole game completely. I had simply accepted the rules that were given to me and never questioned it, trusting that they must know what they are doing. I find things like this often in far more serious subjects. Consider this: would a person born deaf and blind be able to believe? This leads me to the issue of my mistrust of "experts" and popular beliefs. I must confess that I do not know that much. Only enough to know how little I know. When you have an abundance in something, it is easy to not fully make use if it. In my family we have an abundance in books and in people with high levels of education and knowledge. In spite of this, I struggle to understand highly technical information and I often find myself uncertain about my facts. I have always struggled to read as much as I would like to. I have tried. And this makes me feel so inferior in my family where dinner conversations are often dominated by intellectual subject. You find in my family atheists, Greek orthodox, universalists and other widely different beliefs. Most of my family, including my dad, believes in evolution and are entirely secular. It has dawned on me that knowledge really is power. Those that seem to know something can easily control and manipulate those who don't and it is this that leads me to doubt. A good argument can be wrong. For a long time I simply accepted what my dad said. After all, he is a very smart man. But as I grew older, I started to realize how he can even be wrong about subjects he is supposed to be an expert in. So having a good argument alone does not ensure that what someone says is true. Proof is needed somehow. And even on this forum I have noticed that very often people differ even on what constitutes proof. This is also why i often avoid non-biblical books about philosophy and theology. For the sake of keeping myself from going insane with deep and difficult questions, I try to base my beliefs on Scripture and on what I can personally observe or experience. Even then I doubt my own understanding so much. I also have made a deliberate decision to stand on certain points where there is a lot of controversy in order to stop myself from being tossed around by opposing but reasonable sounding arguments. One more thought that I have been sitting with. It has been interesting to me to look at the forums and note some of he debates going on. I rarely allow myself to go to these ( because they only confuse and frustrate me more), except to just look at how people are presenting their point of view. I get the sense sometimes that no one has really determined what the bottom line is for each person. And in a public forums where anybody can join and have different motivations in joining as well as vastly different backgrounds, it is surely inevitable that the discussions will end up going the way they do. To someone like me, this does not really help me learn or understand something better. I don't want to choose sides, I want to learn the truth (if this is possible. Is objective knowledge possible?) I am just not sure it can end up any other way, because I have rarely ever seen anyone change their original position on any of these debates.
  12. Hi, I am Angie!

    Hi Angie,. welcome to Worthy.
  13. Is it just me .... the legacy continues ...

    It is me! No fear jadey.
  14. Is it just me .... the legacy continues ...

    The only good part is that it totally grosses out my dad. I get to have some fun that way. He is a veterinarian but cant handle looking at open wounds or even scars on people. If he gets a cut he all but faints.
  15. Hi, I am Angie!

    Hey! I'm Angelica, but you can call me Angie. I am currently in my mid-thirties (don't want to say too much ) and reside in the beautiful Nebraska. I studied history and language and help out in my local church twice a week. My hobbies are cooking with my children, reading and visiting different churches around the USA. Besides being a place to be one-on-one with God, the architecture of churches fascinates me. If you have any questions, leave them down below! Love and Prayers!
  16. Is it just me .... the legacy continues ...

    Noooo not allowed to sip through a straw. That will dislodge the clot and get zombie bone bits floating around.
  17. The New Animal thread

    Mine hasn't been moved for years but to vacuum. Our couch is much too heavy. Stuff only fits one way anyhow.

    I would never ever give my email address out on a forum LOL.
  19. Our being gathered to Him was what Paul was writing about in 2 Thes 2:1. Not the 2nd Coming, we would not worry or fret when we see Jesus. But, if one thought he had missed the Rapture, Well, he would worry and fret would he not. The Pre-Trib Rapture stuff was well and alive in Paul's day. Get your act together. I read Scripture, that is history, that is prophecy. You have been duped. Israel has not accepted their Messiah as promised in Daniel 9:24. We will agree on very little. You say; the 70 weeks has been fulfilled. I say the 70th Week has not been fulfilled because Israel has yet to accept their Messiah. So I do not believe in your mumbo jumbo with regard to the RCC or your 70th week placement. In Christ Montana Marv
  20. Hello everybody, I am happy that community like this was created so we can share our problems between each others. I am now suffering from big anxiety because of what i did. I confess that i am addicted to pornography. I know it is sin to masturbate in front of pornography. I was praying for forgiveness. Than i promised God that i wont do it again. I had a really hard time to resist because the lust for it was so big. When i promised God that i wont do it again i said to myself that if i do it one more time God will punish me by making my life terrible. I did it. Or i am not sure really. Because i accidently saw naked picture of a girl. I got anxiety attack. I dont know what to do now, will God punish me for this. Does it mean that i will live terrible life from now. I am so anxious right now. Please help me! Alright everybody, i have just summarized what makes me so anxious and does not allow to live normal life. I will really appreciate any answer from you, thank you so much!!!
  21. Sanctification

    Wole, this is not an area for discussion but it is where you tell us a little about yourself and we greet you. You will be allowed to post elsewhere after replying here a few times. Thank you.
  22. Adrian Rogers: Second Coming

    No, I wasn't. "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." - Luke 13:2 And if anyone has to repent, it has to be in this life. "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" - Hebrews 9:27 I was living in the darkness, where sin and death reigns. "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 13:41-42 As far as I know they will all be judged according to the light they had received. But in this generation?! People are pretty aware of the light. "And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!" - Matthew 10:14-15 And even when they're aware of the light, and its expectations. They insist in the darkness. "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." - John 3:19
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  24. If the Church didn't get into heaven as when 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8 reveal, then supposing you tell me how they are present for the marriage that take place in heaven, according to Rev.19:7-8, while the tribulation is taking place on earth. Then return with Jesus from heaven in verse 14! You remain refuted! Case closed! Quasar93
  25. Marv. You should care since you do not have Esdras anymore. And yes. Be careful of everyone. Did you know the pre-trib stuff was first concocted by Rome in the 1500's? Then released in the 1800's and Darby cottoned on to it and it began to spread in the 'reformed' churches. Look and see just how many of the church's doctrines were hand-me-downs from Rome. You may be surprised. Remember to read your history so you will not repeat it or become its victim.
  26. I really don't care what goes on in the RCC. I don't delve into it. So I should beware of you then (beware of those that come in My Name), covers a lot of people. In Christ Montana Marv
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