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  2. People have the Bible now and still commit these very things. Religious wars occur all the time in this day. Some use scripture to validate their radical beliefs that they feel they got from scripture. Many Christians have become ritualized. Amongst many other religions. Nothing has really changed when you really look at it. A fact is scripture means little when a person lacks God, The Holy Spirit or a True understanding of Jesus. It's not just reading about it. Many read scripture, can quote it and still have absolutely no clue what any of it means. Scripture only works when a relationship is established with The Holy Trinity.
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  4. No one denies that works follow salvation and show that we are saved. We deny that works play a part in either obtaining salvation or maintaining salvation. Salvation is a 100% a work of God alone, with no mixture of human effort.
  5. ooh anyone notice how alike noob and Logan look here ???????
  6. "Return to your fortress, you prisoners of hope; even now I announce that I will restore twice as much to you." -Zechariah 9:12 There are those who have been faithful, standing upon the promises of the Father. They have contended for and have walked in obedience toward the things that God has called them to, even though it seems as though war has broken out against them -- they are experiencing extreme heartache and despair. "Though an army besiege me my heart will not fear; though war break out against me, even then I will be confident." - Psalm 27:3 Keep your eyes on the Lord. Feast on His goodness, and know that even now your Redeemer is preparing a table of feasting for you in the very presence of your enemies (Psalm 23:5). REST IN THE LOVE OF THE FATHER This is a time to go deeper into the Father's rest; for rest is a form of warfare. Be assured: the Lord is fighting your battles, even as you take time to rest in Him. The battle is not yours, but the Lord's (see 1 Samuel 17:47). As you let go and let God, you will begin to see His hand at work in your life. The Lord is going to uproot lies and fears that have once found a lodging place in your heart and mind. Pick up your hope, and remember that His perfect love casts out all fear. The Lord is renewing the minds and thought processes that have not lined up with the truth of the Father's heart. He is bringing His people out of Egypt and out of a slavery mentality. You will no longer feel hemmed in and confined; the Lord Himself is bringing you into a new, spacious place! PUT ON NEW GARMENTS Watch as He crowns you with a crown of beauty and washes away despair. "I delight greatly in the Lord; my soul rejoices in my God. For He has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of His righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels." - Isaiah 61:10 As it is written in Psalm 24:9, "Lift up your heads, you gates; lift them up, you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in." The Lord is rising on your behalf, and your victory is certain! Align your thoughts and your words with the promises of the Lord. Prophesy to the dead bones, "Come alive," for He is about to change everything. The areas of your greatest disappointments will soon be flooded with new life. Your breakthrough is near! Stand still, and see the salvation of your God (see 2 Chronicles 20:17). ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY
  7. The revelation of the Church was not made known to the prophets like Daniel. But remember, by the time the Millennium rolls around the "Church age" is over. The "Body of Christ" metaphor the NT uses in reference to the Church only applies to believers during the Church age. We will no longer be the "Body of Christ" in the Millennium. So the saints of the Millennium will include those who made up the Body of Christ in the Church age, the Tribulation believers who were martyred during the Tribulation and those believers who survived the Tribulation and the OT saints.
  8. New since 1054 A.D. lol, so its lets see the Roman Catholic Church as we recognize it today is 963yrs old (this date is if you consider how Roman Church operates since Middle Ages). Its older when you consider it was one with Eastern Church for 954yrs which comes out to about 1,694yrs, but if you want to say Roman Church existed in Eastern Church it really began 1,917yrs with Apostolic Fathers (including Ireneaus, Antony of Egypt, Nicholas, and etc). Here is break down Roman Catholic Church's Age According to Its Unique Rite, Papacy, and Etc: 963yrs Roman Catholic Church's Age If you Consider It's Time As One with Eastern Orthodoxy: 1,694yrs Roman Catholic Churches' Ages If you Claim it Began at Apostolic Fathers: 1,917yrs Roman Catholic Churches' Age According To Primacy: 2017yrs I personally choose the first date of 963yrs, because I don't believe the unique Roman Rite was distinctly Roman and what Catholicism has been known for since Early Middle Ages, at least since the Fall of Western Roma. I don't think its Roman Catholic until schism of 1054 A.D. with Eastern Orthodoxy, because Roman Catholicism was recognized as separate church until then, and the model I am using is Protestanism, it wasn't considered a separate church until it was labeled by Roman Catholic and schism was completed. I.e. a church and its unique rite doesn't exist until it is recognize, in same way Anglican or Church of England didn't exist until Henry VIII broke from Rome and made himself head of the church (St. Thomas Beckett's worst nightmare, and what he tried to prevent with Henry II of England). I believe Roman Church was reform of Eastern Church, take the filoque, where Roman Church added "The Holy Spirit proceeds from Father: and the Son," to Nicene Creed. The Romans were right according to Scriptures, "When the Advocate comes, whom I will send you from the Father--the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father--He will testify about M," (John 15:26) and "Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit." (John 20:21-22). The next reform was church that came out the Roman Catholic Church, The Protestant Church which got back to sources, the Scriptures. Then another reform came, get back to the Holy Spirit power with Pentecostals and Charismatics. Now there remains one reform left to get back to Church of New Testament, in essence it has been process of getting back to first primacy, the original church as seen in ACTs and New Testament. Church of Christ and His Apostles 30-100 A.D. (Including Pentecost) Church of the Apostolic Fathers 100-333 A.D. Church of the Byzantines and Eastern Orthodox 354 A.D to 1054 A.D., to present Church of the Roman Rite (Catholicism) 1054-1640 A.D., to present Church of the Protestants 1648-2017 A.D. (Began in 1517 A.D. with Luther, but 1648 was the official sealing of it) Church of the Charismata 1960-to present Church of the Last Days Before Return of Christ 2000-circa. 2021 and 2022 The Church went wayward from Apostolic Fathers through Byzantines/Eastern Orthodox, then starting heading back through Roman Catholicism but stalled until The Reformation, then it reformed further with Charismatic Movement infusing Spirit back into the Church. The goal now is the reform will take the Church back to Church of Christ and Apostles again, meaning the church will have come complete full circle. By the way I am enjoying this conversation.
  9. Ive asked this before with no answer at what point in time did Christ return become imminent? Before His ascension, Christ prophesied the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. Because of this prophecy, Christ could not come until His words had been fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. Thus from His ascension to Pentecost, Christ's return was not imminent. (Lk. 24:49). Before His ascension, Christ prophesied that Peter would grow old; he would then be captured and finally be martyred for his testimony for Him. Because of this prophecy, Christ could not return as long as Peter was alive. Peter had to grow old, be captured, and finally be martyred to fulfill the words of Christ. All the Christians knew that as long as Peter was alive, Jesus could not come. Peter died around A.D. 67. Thus from the ascension to Peter's death (67 A.D.), Christ's return was not imminent. (John 21: 18-19; 1 Pet. 1:13-15). Having established that Christ's coming was not imminent until Peter's death (A.D. 67), none of Paul’s or Peter's Epistles can have any references to an imminent return of Christ because all of the epistles were written before A.D. 67 and both men knew the prophecies of Christ, and that His coming was not possible at that time. The epistles of Paul and Peter make no reference to an imminent return of Christ. Before His ascension, Christ prophesied that His church would be planted in Jerusalem, then Judea, then Samaria, and then to “the ends of the earth.” This prophecy was not fulfilled by the early church and has yet to be fully fulfilled. Until the church has been planted in every tribe, tongue and nation, Christ's coming is not imminent. (Acts 1:8; Matt. 28:19, 20; MK. 16:15; Lk. 24:7f; Rev. 7:9). Before His ascension, Christ prophesied the total destruction of Herod's temple by foreign armies. The temple was not destroyed until A.D. 70. Thus from His ascension to the destruction of Herod's temple (A.D. 70), Christ's return was not imminent. (Matt. 24:1; Mk. 13:1; Lk. 21:5, 6). Before His ascension, Christ prophesied certain signs to precede His return. These signs were not present in the early church and are not fully present right now. They are still future. Thus until all these signs are clearly and fully fulfilled, Christ's coming is not imminent. (Matt. 24-, Mk.13, Lk. 21). After His ascension, Christ prophesied that the apostle Paul would go to Rome and preach His gospel. Until Paul got to Rome, Christ could not come. Thus from His ascension to the time when Paul got to Rome (A.D. 61), Christ's return was not imminent. (Acts 23:11; 27:24). None of Paul’s epistles written before he got to Rome could possibly teach that Christ's return was imminent.- After His ascension, Christ prophesied that the church at Smyrna would pass through a great persecution in the future. He challenged them to suffer faithfully. Until the Smyrna church had been through this trial, Christ could not come. Thus from His ascension to the trial of the church at Smyrna, Christ's coming was not imminent. (Rev. 2:10). Christ in various parables connected His church and His coming with the end of the age. Until all the Biblical Prophecies leading up to the end of the age, and the prophecies concerning the end of the age have been fulfilled, Christ cannot come. Thus Christ's return cannot be imminent. (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43, 47-50; 25:14-30)
  10. Ancient cultures did corporal punishment. The Old Testament shows severity of the Law, but the Law is not obsolete, "By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13). Now anyone can confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead and will be saved (Romans 10:9-10, cross ref John 4:60). The reason there was stoning is back then mankind has denigrated into such evil, that to deal with disease and murderers there was call to stone. But note, death was blessing from God so we wouldn't be stuck in this sinful awful state, "Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years."The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created--and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground--for I regret that I have made them."But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD." (Genesis 6:2-8). What is clear is that mankind had become so vile and evil, that God had to punishment them for having sexual relationships with angels even, but thank God showed mercy by favoring Noah, and God's favor then was revisited in greater number as Christ who is God came in flesh to save us (Hebrew 1, John 1:1-14). Jesus even went and preached in hades, "After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits--to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ," (1 Peter 3:19-21) where Jesus took the keyes to hades from devil, "Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had[g] the power of death," (Hebrews 2:14), and "Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone." (Hebrews 2:9), and now Jesus has holds keys to hades, "I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." (Revelation 1:18).
  11. Almost made it to bed lol, I did one final check in some of the other threads and saw the notification come up. Roman Catholic started out as being derogatory, it's not now. It's exactly how you take it as meaning. It's a term used for the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. They general have it on their Church signs "Roman Catholic Church". The point I was trying to make was that the Roman Catholic Church has always been the Catholic Church. It's the Church the Apsoltes built and ordained bishops and preysbters for. There are 23 Churches that make up the Catholic Church. The Roman (Latin Rite) Church is just one of 23. The way you were saying it came across to me anyways like it was a brand new Church you were talking about. Lol k now for real I have to go to bed. Cheers
  12. I have my copy of Eusebius, I will find title of chapter and share it with you presently. I only use Roman Catholic to denote those who believe in Papacy, and the Church of Rome. I never knew it was derogatory description by Protestants, although the Catholics did same to Baptists, meaning "rebaptizers" (The Reformation by Diamand McCulloch and Church History in Plain Language by Bruce Shelly 4 ed.). I thought Roman Catholic meant those who follow the Roman Rite (Latin Rite), oppose to Charismatic Catholic, Reformed Catholic, and anti-Papist Catholic. In short, the Roman in Roman Catholic always meant to me that Roman Catholics consider their leadership is in Rome. I don't just use Catholic because it means Universal Church which is all Christians in the Nicaea, Chalcedon, and Apostle's Credos. Actually church was used first by Jesus, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church (ἐκκλησίαν. ekklēsian Greek, ecclesia Latin, Church English) and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." (Matthew 16:18). The rock Jesus is talking about is Peter's revelation, "You are messiah, Son of Living God," (Matthew 16:16) and Jesus is referred to the rock (Psalm 18:2, Matthew 7:24-27, stumbling stone (1 Peter 2:8, 1 Corinthians 1:23-24), and corner stone (Ephesians 2:20).
  13. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. http://biblehub.com/ephesians/2-10.htm
  14. Yes, I will JoshuasonFlower. And, JTC, good to see your post brother. Chris, all of us are praying for you. Jesus died for you so you wouldn't have to. He took everything on Calvary for you, so you wouldn't have to bear it. He came to give you life abundant. Take it, dear one. He not only has the answers, HE IS THE ANSWER!
  15. I checked two different sites that have Eusibius's works and both Book X were the same and neither matches what your sources are saying. So I'm at a loss on this. As for the term Roman Catholic Church, that term is an Anglican term given to Catholics during the reformation. It was meant to be a derogatory term, the Anglicans (at least some branches of Anglicans) considered themselves and called themselves Catholics. Some still do today. There has always been one universal (catholic) Church. You draw distinctions based on a time line. So are you saying that the house Church stoped existing after 100AD and the persecuted Church stopped existing after 323? Where did these Churches go, what happened to all the believers ? House Churches stopped being in houses because the congregations became too large and they needed larger gathering places. They didn't stop being what they were because the walls and room changed. Same with a persecuted Church that's no longer being persecuted. It's still the same Church, it's the mortality rate that changed. Not the Church. Just a quick bow on this, the first time the Church was called anything was by Irenaus in his letter to the smyrneans. I'm paraphrasing a bit but he said where the bishops were is were the catholic Church is. As I was browsing some of the letters of Constantine that were recorded in Eusebiuss Church History, again the church was referred to as the Catholic Church. Constantine also was requesting bishops that were writing him with disputes, to go to Rome to have the issues settled there, with the bishop of Rome. Here are the links to the two sources I checked: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250110.htm https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.xvi.ix.html Im off to bed, Cheers and God Bless
  16. Scary verse
  17. True
  18. That's not a bible college I would go near.
  19. Yes.
  20. If the 7th isn't the last do tell where's the 8th? You keep waiting of this false rapture,and see where it get's you.
  21. You raise a good point wingnut. I have reflected on that Satan and angels rebelled willingly, as in revolted of their own free will (Revelation 12:7-12). While in contrast mankind was deceived into falling (Genesis 3). I could start a whole other thread on why I think the angels can't be forgiven, but mankind is using this point. I actually know a Bible College where someone who committed Hebrews 6:4-6 publicly, he then went on radio to attack Christ and Christian, made his facebook account an antichrist account where you posted unbelief. This same person then repented, and has been made head of Bible college, but he hasn't taken down those antichrist remarks on his facebook. I am thinking, this man has more than fulfilled the terrible details of Hebrews 6, he went beyond it, and now he's head of Bible college?!
  22. I am glad to be a first! Lol I learned this from "The Open Church" (James H Lutz), from my studies of the Crusades, my studies of Byzantium, and comparing these to the Scriptures and Early Church (Acts 2 and 4). The Church prior to Constantine was one of suffering, persecution, and battling heresies. Constantine in the last chapter in my copy of Eusebius takes the church, puts it back into format that is very different than house churches of Acts, "But I will say this: after completed the great building I have described, he finished it with thrones high up, to accord with dignity of the prelates (bishops, priests), and also with benches arranged conveniently throughout. In addition to all this, he placed in the middle the Holy of Holies -the altar- excluding, the general public from this part too by surrounding it with wooden trellis..," (The History of the Church, Eusebius, Penguin Classics, pg 315). My theory of church is this, it started as Christ's Church (Church of Acts and New Testament), became Apostolic Churches (many hersies like Originism, Nestorianism, Gnosticism, and other strange doctrines) then it became the Imperial Church (Byzantine Church, Eastern Orthodoxy) to this day the Orthodox Church has always had an imperial ruler, it believe a sovereign emperor or king or tsar ruled the church and kingdom, while Roman Catholicism broke off in 1054 A.D. (in what I believe was reformation) where Bishop of Rome (Pope) wanted to have Church separate from Empire, and that it have its own leaders again. Then from Roman Church came Protestant Reformation where they went back to Sources, The Scriptures, and tried to go back to the Church of New Testament (Acts 2-5, chapters not verses). Its full circle: church has its own leaders and Scriptures (New Testament, Church of ACTS), church add to scriptures and has its own leaders (Apostolic Fathers, 100 A.D. to 323 A.D.), church is controlled by outside leader and has more traditions added to it (Byzantine, Eastern Orthodoxy), church goes back to having its own ecclesia leaders (Catholicism) but still has man made traditions (Mark 7:7) mixed with Scripture, and finally the church has its own leaders again and scriptures with most of traditions of men removed (Protestantism), but the Reforms aren't over, the building is what is left, the Constantine system isn't yet completely removed from church, there are still traditions of men at work (Mark 7:7, Colossians 2:23).
  23. Sometimes we ask where was God when this happened? How could this have happened if God is good? Does God not exist. If there was a God, He would certainly not allow something like this to happen. Psalm 116: Gracious is the Lord and righteous, yea our God is merciful Questions are asked on a daily basis by individuals who experience pain or tragedy. They question whether God exist or He cares for those who fall into tragedy. for more details: http://www.davidimafidon.com/god-really-exist
  24. Hello Fidei, This a good question and I am interested in reading others thoughts on the matter. For me personally it is not an easy question to answer because I really can't fathom why anyone would do such a thing. That being said, the example that comes to mind for me would be satan and the third of the angels that rebelled. I have often wondered why they were so foolish to do such a thing, particularly since they had the privilege of being in heaven and witnessing the glory of God firsthand. When it comes to people, I guess the easiest answer would be for power or material positions, possibly both. God bless.
  25. I'll give you this, you are the first person I've heard say that Constantine created the Orthodox Church and than came the Roman Catholic Church. I would love to hear how you came to this conclusion I just read the last Chapter of Book X and it does t say anything about starting the Byzantine Church. Chapter 9. The Victory of Constantine, and the Blessings which under him accrued to the Subjects of the Roman Empire. this is what I have for the last chapter of Book X
  26. My thoughts on women's role in the Church, from my Blog: "Warrior Women: The Role of Women in the Church There is a major move in Church, with women now leading and preaching. There are warrior women who want to pray and preach. There are some resisting this, taking Paul's words out of context, "Likewise, I want the women to adorn themselves with respectable apparel, with modesty, and with self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess to worship God. A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man;b she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control." (1 Timothy 2:9-15). The problem is that people don't know that Paul was speaking to Greek Churches that had Pythonesses in it, women who were pagan and who taught men to have sex with them and were oracles (prophets), they were continuing this trade in the church (these women are mentioned in Revelation 2:20, Revelation 18:4), so Paul put this length paragraph upon those pythonesses churches but not all churches. For elsewhere Paul says, "Greet the brothers in Laodicea, and also Nympha (means Bride, is not a male name like many scholars say) and the church in her house," (Colossians 4:15), "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae," (Romans 16:1), "Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you(r salvation)," (Romans 16:6), "Greet Andronicus and Junia (Iounias, Noun, Feminine), my fellow Jews, who were in prison with me. They are highly respected among the apostles and became followers of Christ before I did," (Romans 16;7), "Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord. Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord," (Romans 16:12), "Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too," (Romans 16:13), and "also to Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier--and to the church that meets in your home," (Philemon 1:2). Repeatedly Paul is commending women working for Lord, which is Evangelism and make disciples (includes teaching and preaching, primary way of evangelizing!), "But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." (2 Timothy 4:5, see also 1 Corinthians 15:58). In the list of accommodations Phoebe is called a Deacon, Nympha and Apphia lead a church, note it is extraordinary Paul is using Apphia's name first, in Jewish masculine culture, you always say the man's name first, "Is this not Joseph and Mary's son?" (John 6:42, Luke 4:22, Matthew 13:55) in fact it was insult in Jewish Culture when the disbelieving Nazarenes said to Jesus, "Then they scoffed, "He's (Jesus) just a carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon. And his sisters live right here among us." They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him," (Mark 6:3), but Paul goes against this Jewish custom and mentions Apphia a women before her brother Archippus. Paul does this again with Priscila and Aquila, "Give my greetings to Priscilla and Aquila and those living in the household of Onesiphorus." (2 Timothy 4:19). The reason is Paul mentions the teacher or preacher first in a couple or pair of siblings, so we then know that Apphia and Priscila are the teachers! We are living in an age of women coming into positions that have long since be denied them. Many seek to resist this, calling it an abmonination or antiscriptural, but I say then what do they make the Old Testament Deborah, "Then Barak said to her, "If you will go with me, then I will go; but if you will not go with me, I will not go. Certainly I will go with you," said Deborah. "But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh." (Judges 4:7-8), Deborah was a judge of Israel. What do these naysayers have to say about Mary Martha's sister whom Jesus discipled, "As Jesus and the disciples continued on their way to Jerusalem, they came to a certain village where a woman named Martha welcomed him into her home. Her sister, Mary, sat at the Lord’s feet, listening to what he taught. But Martha was distracted by the big dinner she was preparing. She came to Jesus and said, “Lord, doesn’t it seem unfair to you that my sister just sits here while I do all the work? Tell her to come and help me.”But the Lord said to her, “My dear Martha, you are worried and upset over all these details! There is only one thing worth being concerned about. Mary has discovered it, and it will not be taken away from her." (Luke 10:38-42), and Jesus talking to Samartian Woman, telling her who He was, "Jesus and the Samaritan Woman: Jesus knew the Pharisees had heard that he was baptizing and making more disciples than John 2 (though Jesus himself didn’t baptize them—his disciples did). 3 So he left Judea and returned to Galilee. 4 He had to go through Samaria on the way. 5 Eventually he came to the Samaritan village of Sychar, near the field that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there; and Jesus, tired from the long walk, sat wearily beside the well about noontime. 7 Soon a Samaritan woman came to draw water, and Jesus said to her, “Please give me a drink.” 8 He was alone at the time because his disciples had gone into the village to buy some food. 9 The woman was surprised, for Jews refuse to have anything to do with Samaritans. She said to Jesus, “You are a Jew, and I am a Samaritan woman. Why are you asking me for a drink?” 10 Jesus replied, “If you only knew the gift God has for you and who you are speaking to, you would ask me, and I would give you living water.” 11 “But sir, you don’t have a rope or a bucket,” she said, “and this well is very deep. Where would you get this living water? 12 And besides, do you think you’re greater than our ancestor Jacob, who gave us this well? How can you offer better water than he and his sons and his animals enjoyed?” 13 Jesus replied, “Anyone who drinks this water will soon become thirsty again. 14 But those who drink the water I give will never be thirsty again. It becomes a fresh, bubbling spring within them, giving them eternal life.” 15 “Please, sir,” the woman said, “give me this water! Then I’ll never be thirsty again, and I won’t have to come here to get water.” 16 “Go and get your husband,” Jesus told her. 17 “I don’t have a husband,” the woman replied. Jesus said, “You’re right! You don’t have a husband— 18 for you have had five husbands, and you aren’t even married to the man you’re living with now. You certainly spoke the truth!” 19 “Sir,” the woman said, “you must be a prophet. 20 So tell me, why is it that you Jews insist that Jerusalem is the only place of worship, while we Samaritans claim it is here at Mount Gerizim,[c] where our ancestors worshiped?” 21 Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23 But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. 24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” 25 The woman said, “I know the Messiah is coming—the one who is called Christ. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.” 26 Then Jesus told her, “I am the Messiah!” 27 Just then his disciples came back. They were shocked to find him talking to a woman, but none of them had the nerve to ask, “What do you want with her?” or “Why are you talking to her?” 28 The woman left her water jar beside the well and ran back to the village, telling everyone, 29 “Come and see a man who told me everything I ever did! Could he possibly be the Messiah?” 30 So the people came streaming from the village to see him. 31 Meanwhile, the disciples were urging Jesus, “Rabbi, eat something.” 32 But Jesus replied, “I have a kind of food you know nothing about.” 33 “Did someone bring him food while we were gone?” the disciples asked each other. 34 Then Jesus explained: “My nourishment comes from doing the will of God, who sent me, and from finishing his work. 35 You know the saying, ‘Four months between planting and harvest.’ But I say, wake up and look around. The fields are already ripe[e] for harvest. 36 The harvesters are paid good wages, and the fruit they harvest is people brought to eternal life. What joy awaits both the planter and the harvester alike! 37 You know the saying, ‘One plants and another harvests.’ And it’s true. 38 I sent you to harvest where you didn’t plant; others had already done the work, and now you will get to gather the harvest.” 39 Many Samaritans from the village believed in Jesus because the woman had said, “He told me everything I ever did!” 40 When they came out to see him, they begged him to stay in their village. So he stayed for two days, 41 long enough for many more to hear his message and believe. 42 Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not just because of what you told us, but because we have heard him ourselves. Now we know that he is indeed the Savior of the world." (John 4:1-42). The Samaritan woman was not impended from preaching about Jesus, "Many Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony (Revelation 12:11). They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world." (John 4:39, 42 ESV). Earlier I shared how the Apostle Paul commended women who had worked hard in Lord (Romans 16:6-12), which is obviously what this Samaritan Woman. Beyond that, the first person to see Jesus Risen was Mary Magdalene! (Mark 16:19, John 20:14, Luke). If Women were first ones Jesus confessed who He was (John 4:26), discipled one (Luke 10:38-42), and showed His Resurrected Self to (John 20:14), why then would we deny women the right to teach and preach?! It was women who supported Jesus' Ministry and kept Him and Apostles taken care of, "Soon afterward Jesus began a tour of the nearby towns and villages, preaching and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom of God. He took his twelve disciples with him, along with some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases. Among them were Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons; Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s business manager; Susanna; and many others who were contributing from their own resources to support Jesus and his disciples." (Luke 8:13). These same women are the only ones, save for Apostle John, who where at Jesus Christ own crucifixion, " Many women were there looking on from a distance, who had followed Jesus from Galilee while ministering to Him. Among them was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee," (Matthew 27:55), "Near the cross of Jesus stood His mother and her sister, as well as Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene," (John 19:15), and, "And there were also women watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome." (Mark 15:40). While all the Apostles were scattered save for John, the women stood there at the Cross, and they watched as Christ bore the sins of mankind. There were Women at Pentecost who were filled with Holy Spirit power, "Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey away. When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers," (Acts 1:12-14), and "When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance." (Acts 2:1-3). It is clear the women witnesses and those who supported Jesus' ministry stayed with the Apostles after Jesus Ascended (Acts 1:1-11). In fact, Paul remarks how the Apostles have wives, "Don't we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord's brothers do, and as Peter does?" (1 Corinthians 9:5). Contrary to Catholic tradition, the Apostles had wives and took them with them in ministry! The Church needs to not resist reform. For the Roman Catholic Church resisted Refomraiton, and it lost the chance to purge idolatry and know the Scriptures, and become like Church of the Apostles We must not wage a war against women, for Woman are warriors, in Hebrew Woman means "Warrior." It was woman that God chose to come into this world, "In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a village in Galilee, to a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of King David. Gabriel appeared to her and said, “Greetings,favored woman! The Lord is with you, Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God! You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!” Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God!You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!” Mary asked the angel, “But how can this happen? I am a virgin.” The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God. What’s more, your relative Elizabeth has become pregnant in her old age! People used to say she was barren, but she has conceived a son and is now in her sixth month. For the word of God will never fail. Mary responded, “I am the Lord’s servant. May everything you have said about me come true.” And then the angel left her." (Luke 1:26-38). It was Women who supported Jesus' ministry (Luke 8:1-3), it was a woman Jesus first raised from dead (Luke 8:40-56, Mark 5:21-43), It was woman He revealed Himself as way of Salvation (John 4:26) it was a woman Jesus told He was resurrection and life (John 11:25-26), It was a woman who got to see Risen Christ first (John 20:1-18), and it was to women that the apostles made deaconesses (Romans 16:1), and who lead Churches (Colossians 4:15). The case against Woman pastors, preachers, and teachers falsl apart when we examine The Holy Bible. Another question that should haunt hard liners against woman teaching, what if the only Christian in a village is a woman? Is she sup[pose to just remain silent until a man is saved? Oh course not! She should preach. What about the woman Jesus taught like Mary and Martha, and Samaritan Woman, are they having heard Christ's words and the Gospel just remain silent? Of course not, they should shout from rooftops! Which Samaritan Woman did. The Great Commission from Christ, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:19-20). There isn't a clause that says, "only men go make disciples." Also note, that Jesus taught Mary and Martha commands. What about the authors of New Testament? Why are there no woman authors? Well in 33-90 A.D. women in Jewish Culture were second class citizens, they could not teach, or write or read. They had to be instructed by their husbands. Christ was actually revolutionary, firstly as Rabbi he talked to women, something Talmud forbids and Rabbis are told to not even walk same street as women. Jesus also spoke to pagan Samaritan woman, something she remarks, "why asking me for a drink, you are a Jew and I a Samaritan?" (John 4:9). But the Apostles found themselves still in culture still man centric, and so most of the accounts are from the men. However, The Gospel of Luke is unique, in that Luke interviewed all the women, Mary Jesus' Mother, Mary and Martha, Mary Magdalene, Mary Clopas, and more. Luke did this because he was a Greek, and Greeks and Romans revered women, and gave them privileges that Jewish Men did not (Dear and Glorious Physician, Taylor Cladwell, notice also that most of verses about women donating money to Jesus ministry and other details about women are in the Gospel of Luke, see Chapter 8). It is also reported that Hebrews is written by both Paul, and Mary Magdalene, and others. The other reason is that Four Gospels came from Twelve Disciples, one of whom was Jesus' closest disciple, John, and their testimony in that period and time would have been accepted by Jews, Greeks, Romans, and more; if a woman had written say the Gospel According Mary the Mother, Greeks would have read it, but strict Jews at time would have not, so they picked the Accounts that in that day and age would have the most universal appeal and approach to get Gospel to everyone, including Pharisees. Woman are warriors for Christ. Let's start letting them be warriors and teachers! For there have been many Church women who did incredible things, Susanna Wesley, raised and taught John and Charles Wesley all they knew in Bible because their father was Vicar always away at the Castle Church. Ann Hutchinson lead Bible Study and the authorities in America destroyed her because she preached Grace instead of works (Ephesians 2:4-9). Joan of Arc not only saved France from becoming Neo-England, but she heard from God directly and held Reformation and Biblical beleifs, "Joan was brought to trial before a church court because the theologists at the University of Paris, as arbiter in matters concerning the faith, insisted that she be tried as a heretic. Her beliefs were not strictly orthodox, according to the criteria for orthodoxy laid down by many theologians of the period. She was no friend of the church militant on earth (which perceived itself as in spiritual combat with the forces of evil), and she threatened its hierarchy through her claim that she communicated directly with God by means of visions or voices." (Saint Joan of Arc, French Heroine, Encyclopedia Britannica, Capture, Trial and Execution), and "When the trial proper began a day or so later, it took two days for Joan to answer the 70 charges that had been drawn up against her. These were based mainly on the contention that her behaviour showed blasphemous presumption: in particular, that she claimed for her pronouncements the authority of divine revelation; prophesied the future; endorsed her letters with the names of Jesus and Mary, thereby identifying herself with the novel and suspect cult of the Name of Jesus; professed to be assured of salvation; and wore men’s clothing. Perhaps the most serious charge was of preferring what she believed to be the direct commands of God to those of the church [note: Joan was correct, see "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Timothy 2:5), see also 2 Corinthians 3:16, Colossians 2:17, John 15:4-7, John 10:27, John 16:13, 1 John 1:3, Hebrews 10:16]." (Saint Joan of Arc, French Heroine, Encyclopedia Britannica, The Trial). There was St. Augustine's Mother Monica who prayed for her son with tears and the fruit was Augustine abandoned his lascivious behavior and wrote some accurate treatises (confessions) on Original Sin. Constantine's Mother Helena helped him find holy places in Jerusalem, and perhaps taught him more about Christianity . Today there is Ann Graham Lotz, Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, and many others. Some may fear a spirit of Ashtoreth Queen of Heaven is moving, and return to Madonna Cult, but the truth is many of greatest preachers and pastors in history had a wife, a woman at their side helping them. So lets dispense with the idea that Woman can't preach, teach, and lead. For they have been leading, even from behind the scenes and through their husbands, because as Jesus said, "Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." (Matthew 19:5-6)., so then every famous preacher and teacher owes their wife! I would also ask if the two become one, then why can't the woman teach like her husband the teacher? Hmph? Huh?! Finally, I want to remind people, who made woman? God the Trinity did, "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them," (Genesis 1:27), and "Now the Lord God said, "It is not good (beneficial) for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [one who balances him—a counterpart who is] suitable and complementary for him.” So the Lord God formed out of the ground every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. And the man gave names to all the livestock, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for Adam there was not found a helper [that was] suitable (a companion) for him. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; and while he slept, He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. And the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man He made (fashioned, formed) into a woman, and He brought her and presented her to the man. Then Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man. For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed or embarrassed." (Genesis 2:18-25). The Lord said He made mankind, both male and female in his image. And the Apostle said this, "There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28), "So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith," (Galatians 3:26), and, "Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." (John 1:12). There it is, there is no gender preference to those in Christ, and all who believe in Jesus are Children of God, both male or female! Amen."
  27. A good sign is that the fruit of holy spirit are present, "But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!" (Galatians 5:22-23). If what you heard and are told to do violates these fruit, if it is unloving, if it steals joy, if it robs peace of you or the persons, if it has no patience and seems radically billgerent, if it is unkind, if isn't good, if it has no faith in it, meaning you doubt and are disturbed by it, if isn't gentle like say Slain in Spirit, and if you have no self control of yourself, that is another bad sign, for Islam's prophet Muhammed convulsed, collapsed, and had seizures when he had angel in cave appear to him, and his first response was it was Jinn (Jin, genie, evil spirit in Arabia). He was right, he shouldn't have listen to his wife Khaji.
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