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    • well, as Christians we still have to be able to provide for our family and ourselves. that means we have to be willing to harder than others in order to get into a good school and a good job nothing wrong with that.
    • Shalom, Revelation Man. Not necessarily. See, first of all, I have a BIG problem with "harpazoo" (I use the double "oo" as an omega and single "o" as an omicron) being translated with "taken UP" or "caught UP." There is NO direction implied in the word harpageesometha found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17! Again, as I've said before, the word "UP" was SUPPLIED by the translators because of the phrases "in clouds" and "into [the] air"; HOWEVER, there is absolutely NOTHING in these verses that suggest that they or we are taken to some place called "Heaven!" The concept of a "Rapture" IS INDEED in the Word of God; however, the belief that the "Rapture" is a transfer to "Heaven" is NOT! Also be VERY careful about that phrase "spirit Body." That's the same nonsense that the JW's use to suggest that Yeshua` used to be an angel! The term is "spiritual body" or "sooma pneumatikon" in 1 Corinthians 15:44. It is contrasted with "sooma psuchikon" or "natural body," as translated in the KJV. The two adjective forms come from the words "pneuma" and "psuchee" (I also use the double "ee" as an eta and a single "e" as an epsilon), respectively, which are most often translated as "spirit" and "soul." Technically, the translator should have used a coined word "soul-ual body" to complete the contrast, but that didn't happen. However, to understand these words, "spiritual" and "natural," one must go back to Genesis, to the creation of the human being. Genesis 2:7
      7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
      KJV The Hebrew is ... Breeshiyt 2:7
      7 Vayitser YHWH Elohiym et haa'aadaam `aafaar min haa'adaamaah vayipach b'apaayow nishmat chayiym vayhiy haa'aadaam lnefesh chayaah:
      JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh This translates to ... 7 Vayitser = 7 And-formed
      YHWH = the-LORD
      Elohiym = God
      et = (direct object follows)
      haa'aadaam = the-red-(man)
      `aafaar = of-dust/clay/earth/mud
      min = from
      haa'adaamaah = the-red-(ground)
      vayipach = and-He-puffed
      b'apaayow = in-his-nostrils
      nishmat = a-puff
      chayiym = of-life/of-living-things
      vayhiy = and-became
      haa'aadaam = the-red-(man)
      lnefesh = into-an-air-breather
      chayaah: = living: This is essentially how we learned to do CPR! The man-body formed was essentially completely formed but God made it necessary to give it a "kick start" by starting the breathing process manually. The word "nefesh" (OT:5315) means "an air-breather." It comes from the root verb "naafash" (OT:5314) meaning "to breathe." This verse was then partially translated into Greek in 1 Corinthians 15:45 where Paul said: 1 Corinthians 15:45
      45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
      KJV And the Greek is ... Korinthious A 15:45
      45 houtoos kai gegraptai, Egeneto ho prootos anthroopos Adam eis psucheen zoosan; ho eschatos Adam eis pneuma zoo-opoioun.
      UBS Greek New Testament This lets us know that "psuchee" is the Greek translation of the Hebrew "nefesh." Therefore, "psuchee" also essentially means "an air-breather." (We also learn that "zoosan" was used to translate "chayaah" and means "living.") Thus, this verse translates to ... 45 houtoos = 45 in-this-way
      kai = and/also
      gegraptai, = it-was-written,
      Egeneto = Was-made
      ho = the
      prootos = first
      anthroopos = man
      Adam = Adam (the Hebrew word approximated)
      eis = into
      psucheen = an-air-breather
      zoosan; = living;
      ho = the
      eschatos = last
      Adam = Adam (the Hebrew word approximated)
      eis = into
      pneuma = a-"spirit"
      zoo-opoioun. = life-giving. That gives us an understanding of the word "soul" = "nefesh" = "psuchee" = "an-air-breather." Now, let's do the same for "pneuma": Let's go back to the account of the Flood in Genesis 7: Genesis 7:13-22
      13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
      14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
      15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
      16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
      17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
      18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
      19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
      20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
      21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
      22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
      KJV The word for "breath" in verses 15 and 22 is the Hebrew word "ruwach" (OT:7307). Here's the Hebrew of verse 22: Breeshiyt 7:22
      22 Kol asher nishmat ruwach chayiym b'apaayow mikol asher bechaaraaVaah meetuw:
      JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh This translates to ... 22 Kol = 22 All
      asher = who/which/what/that
      nishmat = a-puff
      ruwach = of-wind/of-breath
      chayiym = living
      b'apaayow = in-his-nostrils
      mikol = from-all
      asher = who/which/what/that
      bechaaraaVaah = in-[the]-dry-[land]
      meetuw: = died: The word "Kol" here implies all HUMAN life as well as animal life. The following passages employ a quotation to connect this Hebrew word "ruwach" with the Greek word "pneuma": Matthew 12:17-21
      17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
      18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit (Greek: to pneuma mou = "the wind/breath of-me") upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
      19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
      20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
      21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
      KJV Isaiah 42:1-4
      1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit (Hebrew: ruwchiy, ruwach with the 1st-person ending = "my-wind/breath") upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
      2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
      3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
      4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
      KJV Strong's gives these definitions: OT:7307 ruwach (roo'-akh); from OT:7306; wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):
      KJV - air, anger, blast, breath,  cool, courage, mind,  quarter,  side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest,  vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y). NT:4151 pneuma (pnyoo'-mah); from NT:4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:
      KJV - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare NT:5590. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) Thus, technically speaking, both words refer to a WIND or a BREATH that one can feel; a STRONG blowing or BLAST of air! There are numerous reasons why this might be extended to the concept of a "spirit ... of a rational being" or the "rational soul,"  but these are ANALOGIES or FIGURATIVE USES of the word! In any case, the words are synonymous and used as translations. They can refer to the wind itself, the breath of an individual itself, the words carried by that breath, or the thoughts and attitudes behind those words! So, this is much tougher to interpret. However, in 1 Corinthians 15, we have MANY contrasts that are used to make the interpretation easier: The dead are said to be ... raised in incorruption (as opposed to being "sown in corruption"),
      raised in glory (as opposed to being "sown in dishonor"),
      raised in power (as opposed to being "sown in weakness"), and
      raised a wind-blasting body (as opposed to being "an air-breathing body"). The common theme is STRENGTH! They won't decay; they will be glowing brightly; they will be powerful; and they will be able to blast like the wind! Yeshua` was said to be a "LIFE-GIVING wind," implying that we, bearing His image, will be able to do the same! But keep in mind that Yeshua` said of His own resurrected body, Luke 24:39
      39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
      KJV He was and is most decidedly NOT a "spirit!"
    • Hi Ezra, Thank you for adding those important points -  `Being resurrected, perfected, and glorified is the completion and CULMINATION of salvation.` Now can you answer my question which I have been asking you for the past couple of posts? `the purpose of the Body of Christ being caught away to the third heaven, with the Lord, at that particular time, is ....................................`  Marilyn.
    • Hello Double R, I am glad to converse with you, because it seems you are not afraid to use your own mind.  I talk about the shew bread for many reasons, one of them is that I notice you understan paralel prophetic pictures of the things to come from the evens that happen in the past.  One of the things that I am wondering about is, why the Lord ask that the 12 cakes reprisents the twelve trives and he asked to put francisence on the shewbreads.  The other is, it is set before me as a memorial to me.  Every Sabath the replace the bread with new loafs.  That is said of the Lord having proposse to him self to do something  in the future, and the shewbread continiously remind him of him having to do something in the future.  It easier for us who live at this age to look back and try to understan a paralel meaning of what the past event represent in the age to come. So if I have to make it laborious for you, and twist your mind or mine a litle bit around, hope you understan and you can bear it, hoping for something yet waiting to be seen, let's hope so. The relevant scriptures are exodus 24:30, and  Leviticus 24: 5-9.  So here is the exersize, you are a priest ministering in the Holy Place, (try to think as a priest of that time would think), actually you are having the role of two priests , a) one before the event with David and b)the other after. What would you think eating every weak a Holy Bread that does not have your name on it?  A bread that belongs to some people but they are not allowed to come in the Holy place to be partakers and you are not allowed to take it out of the Holy Place and offer it to them and make them happy.  ......... You have the answer, it is given in clues.  And then, the even happen with David, and you will be wondering, what kind of a sign is this?  This is the Lord's doing.  David and his men are not dead, (they touch and eat the holy bread), the Holy bread went into unholy people. and did not die. and  I am not dead. (I took the bread out of the Holy Place, and even gave it to someone and his companions, not been priest, and ate it outside from the holy place.  And the pries had no holy bread to eat. David showed up right at the time of the replacing of the shewbread.  As a priest you will loose your sleep, what would that mean!!!
    • Not really. Dying in the Lord is only a partial salvation. Being resurrected, perfected, and glorified is the completion and CULMINATION of salvation. And then going on to occupy the mansions in the New Jerusalem while receiving their eternal inheritances is also part and parcel of the fulness of salvation.
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