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    • Jezebal was a queen and Ahab's wife of the kingdom of Israel in the 9th century BCE ....did God keep Jezebel alive for a thousand years from the 9th century BCE to 96 AD just so Christ can send Thyatira a letter about Jezebel?    We obviously dealing with the spirit of jezebel.     Wrong, you clearly not understanding Johns markers and now his imagery   Jezebel was guilty of spilling the blood of the prophets - 1 Kings 18:3-4; 13   She corresponds to the bloodthirsty whore of Revelation 17 who is drunk on the blood of the saints   The flesh of ‘Babylon' is devoured in Revelation 17:16 calls to mind the fate of the Jezebel 1 Kings 21:23-24, whose body was eaten by scavengers.   Jezebel was associated with sexual whoredom, just as Babylon' is accused of porneia.    Jezebel was the daughter of  Ethbaal King Of Tyre    Babylon's luxury is described in terms drawn from Ezekiel's condemnation of Tyre (Ezekiel 27-28).   Anyone reading Ezekiel 27 - 28 would easily associate babylon here.   It's rather obvious that John is inviting the readers of Jezebel in connection with Babylon in Rev 2:20 because its the same spirit.   These 7 churches are congregation "types", these letters were sent to be prophetic of their types in the end times. This is easily proven for example the church of Philadelphia no longer exists but its prophetic type does in order to fulfill its letter of a door being open to them, having the key of David, the historic philadelphia church never fulfilled this.    It is the same with the other churches, the church of Smyrna does not exist but its type does, the historical church never fulfilled 10 days of awe but its prophetic type will.   Likewise with the church of Thyatira indugling with Jezebel, who John directs the reader to Mystery Babylon to be End Times, the great tribulation.     Oh but I do, see thats the difference between our two positions     They which come out of the great tribulation} (hoi erchomenoi ek tˆs thlipse“s tˆs megalˆs).   Present middle participle with the idea of continued repetition.    Its in the dramatic present because John is taking us back in narrative literature to a past event that he gave vividly earlier, and its function is to give the impression though the reader were in the midst of the scene as it unfolds.  John used this technique to add more clarelity to what you saw in Rev 6:9 earlier.  The grammar and tense of Rev 7:14 is directly pointing you back to Rev 6:9 It is inconceivable that it escapes your attention that John would not ask who the souls under the altar are, or that they make up if many tongues and nations. The imagery between Rev 6:9 and Rev 7:14 is exactly the same. Rev 6:9 is your great tribulation. You have absolutly no markers of heaven being open for a resurrection and rapture anytime before the 7th trumpet, you have no marker on Christ judging the dead anytime before the 7th trumpet.  All you have is a misrepresentation of biblical disconnection regarding Rev 7:14   Stephen is not part of the martyred group in Rev 6:9 because he asked God to forgive not avenge. The souls under the altar are asking for venengence. John is focused on a specific group ina specific time of a multitude of dead martyrs.    
    • It is a classic case of cherry picking legalism.  Wow is about all I can say. 
    • You are correct, the Trinity is a core issue of the Christian faith but that doesn't stop heretics from attacking it. Even Islam which says "God does not have a Son nor does He beget' should just butt out, they have a totally different God.
    • Kiwi, you need to check the Terms of membership here.    video's have to be posted in the video forums, not anywhere else on the board....   in the past we've had problems with people and bots posting porn on the site so a rule was made that all video's must be posted in the video section so that they can be checked out before they can be seen Don't be upset when this gets removed, it would be the same for any of us.
    • I wish you guys would for ONCE get this right and realize you people love to misrepresent me....I never said Jesus wasn't God.  I said He was God and the Father is greater, just like JESUS SAID!  The Jesus I promote is the one that Jesus Himself and the Father promotes.  The Jesus you say who's equal to God is unbiblical. If anyone believes in a false Jesus it's the fabricated Trinitarians who fabricated this three persons into one God stuff! NO.  Maybe you should educate yourself about the real Jesus instaed of letting Trinitarians decide for you.  You need to go back to school, at least back to the bible.   LET ME REMIND YOU FOR ABOUT THE 5TH TIME!  I NEVER SAID JESUS ISN'T GOD!  That's what the illustrious Shilo357 would like people to believe.  Too bad there's not one verse of scripture that says such a thing.  You guys CONTINUALLY POST SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT, and continually misrepresent what I say, a common trait among misled Trinitarians.  Another common trait is you people are too ready to condemn other believers over a false doctrine you people say is 'a mystery' and one you've accepted as truth.  You do absolutely nothing for the cause of Christ and the gospel.  What you do is make Christianity foolish and bigoted. That one takes the cake, don't change the subject???  Are you for real or simply misled at the power of 10?  You're being a real hypocrite here. You say that if I reject Jesus as God I've placed myself under condemnation.  You say that if I don't believe Jesus is God, that makes Jesus an idol. Then you condemn me for NOT accepting you're theology.  THEN YOU SAY NO ONE IS ACCUSING ME OF DENYING JESUS IS THE CHRIST! If you're not interested in what I say why do you reply!  You're an authentic Trinitarian follower, not a follower of truth.   I said, "JESUS IS GOD BUT GOD IS YET MORE." You said about the seven spirits of God NOT being around the throne..., I can't help you if you think the words of Jesus are irrational.  MAYBE IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ACCEPTED tRINITARIANISM YOU WOULDN'T SEE GOD'S WORD AS IRRATIONAL.
      John 14;28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
      I said, "The Holy Spirit is 7 different heirarchy's of angelic beings that function within those seven spirits, and at times, even Jesus himself."
      You said, You're the one full of false teaching about the holy spirit's absence around the throne... This is one of my favorites by Shiloh, one very misled individual... It would be more helpful if you actually studied and understood the doctrine you are trying to support.  Talk about denial and fabrication. How do you come up with this stuff Shiloh?  It would help if you understood the basic concepts of the Trinity doctine you've accepted!   Trinity teaches that God the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the holy spirit are three PERSONS in one all three being co-eternal and co-equal.  You don't have to be so erroneously blatant in supporting a doctrine you don't even understand! 
      Let's see.  You previously said, Now you're telling me, "The reason the Holy Spirit is not there in those verses around the throne is because He is on earth, not in Heaven."
      Wow big guy, you need help understsnding a doctrine you've accepted.  If God is the holy spirit and the holy spirit is God....If jesus is the Holy Spirit, and the holy spirit is Jesus, then explain to me the SEPARATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BEING ON EARTH AND MISSING AROUND THE THRONE! THAT COMPLETELY GOES AGAINST TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE!
      I said,
      The Holy Spirit is the way God involves Himself in the affairs of men, through his angels.
      Shiloh said, Maybe you should learn why God's angels are called "ministering spirits."
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      35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
      36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
      37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
      38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
      39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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