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    • Parable 5. The Hidden Treasure. Israel is to be a holy nation that has access to God & the nations. They are to be a kingdom of priests.   `Again, the kingdom (rulership) of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found & hid; & for joy over it he goes & sells all that he has & buys that field.` (Matt. 13: 44)   Here we see that Jesus is again reminding the people of Israel of God`s promise to them that they would rule over the nations of the world. Jesus brings out a very specific & tender promise of God to Israel.   `Now therefore, if you (Israel) will indeed obey my voice & keep my covenant, then you shall be a special treasure  to me above all people; for all the earth is mine.   And you shall be a kingdom of priests & a holy nation.` These are the words which you (Moses) shall speak to the children of Israel.` (Ex. 19: 5 & 6)   Israel is God`s special treasure who will be  – a holy Priesthood.   Marilyn.      
    • Hi Retrobyter, You are a gentleman for starting this topic here. Thank you. Now to your first scripture - Romans 2: 23 - 29. First we need to place it in context of the book of Romans. As we know Romans is occupied with the good news, described as being - `...the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first & also for the Greek, (Gentiles).` (Rom. 1: 16) It presents a courtroom scene. God, Judge of all the earth, summons Jew & Gentile before the bar of justice. The general charge is stated `All under sin.` (Rom. 3: 19) Both the Gentile (2: 1 - 16) & Jew (2: 17 -  3: 8) are given the opportunity for a hearing. There special pleas of `not guilty,` are carefully considered & answered, clearing away for the final verdict from the Judge. Finally the Judge pronounces the verdict. `All the world... guilty before God.` (3: 19) Thus we see that when God is referring to the `Jew` He is talking to the people of Israel. Marilyn.  
    • Wow, yes there are a few of them I was under the vague impression they may be in the Good Book. A few of them my mother has quoted to me during my life, so I think I just assumed where they were from really. No 5 is so often misquoted, it is 'The love of money is the root of all evil'. It changes the meaning entirely. No 12 is just weird, I don't understand people who think we become angels, or those who deify them either. Angels are messengers of God, very important and having key roles, but not exactly main players. No 14 is from Shakespeare's Hamlet, and I knew that couldn't possibly be in the Bible.... otherwise Shakespeare was a master plagurist and I'm the first to work it out. Hooray, me! I'm glad you posted this, it's quite thought-provoking and makes me realises that I don't know as much as I think I do!
    • brakelite Sorry if I am doing your head in,...take your time to answer, and please just consider for the time being.   How can you not even consider Great Britain as being a great empire who arose after Rome?, and all the nations under the Commonwealth she currently controls? You shake your head?  Do not underestimate her power and influence.  You also have not addressed the Balfour Declaration?  How can you so easily dismiss Great Britain's role in giving back Israel their state in 1948?  What if she turns around and says that Israel has not kept the orders of that declaration, and takes it back?  Would you then see a different beast than Rome regaining her power back?....A head being healed and given full authority from the dragon to attack the holy land, justified in her eyes through a piece of signed paper nearly 70 yrs ago?  
      Jeremiah 25:11   And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

      Jeremiah 25:12   And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

      Jeremiah 25:13   And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations.  Jeremiah 25:29   For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. Please do not put these 70 years back to the past.  That is just there to throw us off.  This is speaking of the end times.  All the nations are serving the King of Babylon,...the true king of Babylon, Satan.  The 70 yrs started when.......1948.   ....and where does the trouble begin?......    
    • brakelite Again, just to make it very simple.  You are mixing up the two different visions. King Nebs vision of the statue (Dan 2) starts with him as being the head of gold, this I agree with you about the next kingdoms to come in their order. The other vision in Dan 7 of the 4 beasts (4 kings to come), are specifically identifying the KINGS of those empires.  Their personal characteristics in short.  Not one of Rome's emperors were given a special mention.  All of them were missed out here, but we know Rome ruled after Grecia.  We keep this in mind.....but it's not important because it jumps to the last empire of the end times, and it's this King (the little horn) that gets a great mention.  He comes out of the last empire with the 10 kings ruling. You say it's a continuation of Rome.  I say no, it's a different kingdom, and it's clear that it's diverse from all the rest of the beasts.  It's a different vision from Dan 2 concentrating on those specific 4 kings to come who get a mention after Babylon.  Rome was missed out because there's too many to mention so it jumps to the last king (the little horn).  Don't line it up with Dan 2 because Medo/Persia together are counted as one beast in that chapter.  Dan 7 is pointing out the 4 kings to come after Babylon. Just because no Roman Emperor got a mention doesn't mean Rome did not rule, but none of Rome's rulers were included in those 4 kings mentioned.  That bit is skipped.
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