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    • Some time ago, in the distant past, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. God placed the earth in Lucifers control and for an unknown time Lucifer ruled the earth. Lucifer decided to rebel and convinced 0ne third of God's angels to join him in his rebellion. Naturally he was defeated and in God's anger He destroyed the Earth, flooded it and turned off the light. About 6000 years ago, God decided to re-create the Earth and make it habitable for man. Rather than come up with Scriptures showing his opinion on this doctrine, all shilo can come up is non-scriptural "this is copy and past from a heretic and false prophet," which it is not. I typed out every word and Scripture from the bible after hearing many sermons given by Dake and other's.    
    • All that is, is a cut and paste from the heretic, Finnis Dake.  And it only re-enforces my proof from before that he was a heretic and a false prophet.   All of that is false teaching.
    • I've read through this theory.  As far as theories go, I've wondered if God is eternal, with no beginning, has time always existed?  You say God never sat around for eternity past.   At best, you show how something could be different if God somehow wanted to deceive us on what happened "in the beginning" and He had to "recreate" as you say.  I don't follow how you believe you have proven anything.  Anyway, I am not wanting to argue your points, but I would be interested in whether what Shiloh says about the Hebrew language proving the meaning of Genesis 1:1-2 is true or not. I do not know Hebrew.  
    • Hello WS, I read your post a few times, and I get a mix message , so I think, I believe that some of the things mention are not quite clear , "the reference to repentance, and the questioning of Jesus memory , and we have to say Jesus because he is our Judge , and our Lord, Jesus remembers everything and he never forgets, but for what reason, and why,it is important that he must
    • No worries. I posted this regarding God's creation, "In the beginning," on these boards some time ago, and kept a copy in my folders as I do with everything I post. That's why many say I copy and past. Who knows when or what period of time, "IN THE BEGINNING" was?   In Genesis it says, Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."   It does not say, 6'000 years ago God created the heaven and the earth.   John 1;1 also states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."   It does not say, Six thousand years ago was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, six thousand years ago?   The next two verses also do not mention any time period or time when things were created.   John 1: 2, The same was in the beginning with God.
          John 1; 3, All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.   God and the Word, before he became flesh and dwelt among us are ETERNAL beings. Sure as God the Word had no beginning but as a Man, He had a beginning.   John 1;14; "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."   It is interesting to note that astronomers have discovered planets about 150,000,000 light years from the Earth. This is about 14,690,062,800,000,000,000 miles from the Earth, or a distance light can travel in 150,000,000 years at a speed of 186,000 miles per second. Astronomers also say there are other universes even beyond this one. They say about 6,000,000,000 stars have been discovered and they are all suns to other planets. If this is true then the universe is beyond human conception.   It is hard to conceive that God has existed from all eternity past as a lazy being, not doing anything until a few millennium ago, when He finally decided to do something.   It is easier to conceive that God has been making things in all the eternal past. Jesus Himself said;    John 5:17, "But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work." And they will continue to work through eternity future, and we will be included in their work!   I ask you, is the universe, many parts of it that are not in rebellion, in sin against God inhabited,? I believe so because of this simple Scripture;   Revelation 12:12, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them . . . . . . Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." yes, his time will shortly and positively and securely cut off!   The Bible says the heavens cannot be measured and the host of Heaven cannot be counted (Jer. 31:37 ; 33:22-25). It is also clear that the spirit world of angels, seraphims, cherubims, and other spirit beings were created before the Earth, for the "sons of God," (angels), were present and shouting when God laid the foundations of the Earth. It is also clear from this passage that God created the heavens, including the moon, the sun and stars were created before the Earth, for "the morning stars" sang together when God laid the foundations of the Earth. This would be the logical order of creation, to make theplace before creating the inhabitants to live in or on the place. Since inhabitants were a part of the creation and not part of Creators (Col. 1:15-18), they naturally would have to be created on which they were to live. This is the way it happened on Earth in the six days of the restoration of the Earth from chaos to a second habitable state (Gen. 1:3-2:25).   Bearing all this in mind, we either believe our God can and did create everything which included the molecules of the universe, from the basic atomic particles to the subatomic particles, and even particles we know nothing about yet in His creation we see and live in today!   In a nutshell and put simply; “In the beginning" [literally by periods or ages] God created the heaven, [Hebrew, heavens] and the earth, not 6000years ago God created the Heaven and the earth.
      When we speak of the six days and the creation of the present life on Earth, we can speak with Bible authority that it was about 6000 years ago. This can be seen by the lengths of the various dispensations since Adam. In no Scripture are we taught to believe that the heavens and the Earth were originally created during the six days and at the time of Adam about 6000 years ago.
      Some use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to try and prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages.

      In these Scriptures the Hebrew word 'ASAH,' meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word 'BARA,' to create. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days and not the original creation "In the beginning." 'ASAH' never means to create. It is translated 'MADE,' 659 times; 'MAKE,' 449 times; 'MAKETH,' 59 times and 'MAKEST,' sixteen times; 'MAKER,' thirteen times; 'MAKING,' eleven times; and 'MADEST,' three times.
      When God said, "In six days, the Lord 'MADE' heaven and Earth," he had in mind the restoration of the heaven (firmament, or clouds) the Earth to a habitable state as it was before the destruction of Lucifer’s kingdom by the flood and Gen. 1:2.   Molecular science does not disprove the creations of God. All things were created after Lucifer’s rebellion, "After their own kind."   Every Instance: after their kind,   AV (Gen-Rev),
      Gen 1:21, And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
      Gen 1:25, And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
      Gen 6:20, Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
      Gen 7:14, They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
      So, if they were created after their own kind, it was after the kind that was created before!
      We can either believe what God says about Himself and His creations or not? Its up to us.
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